[JFRTDI]

rumours suggest dalglish has resigned and the club has not said yes or no and refuse to comment so ive read.

what do fellow liverpool fans make of this if true?

[mrbobc]

i'll wait for an official anouncement.

[JFRTDI]

so will we all :-p

what are ur views though.....

the fact he went over to boston yesterday with steve clarke and apparently returned this afternoon does not sound well.

[DrWise]

im not a liverpool fan, but i believe its a good move
he will get a position in the board room

i got a feeling a proper manager with european experience will come, im saying give benetiz another chance or possibly Pep

[FZR400RRSP]

Originally Posted by DrWise

benetiz (SIC)

Another 'ez'
Martinez.

[mrbobc]

Originally Posted by JFRTDI

so will we all :-p

what are ur views though.....

the fact he went over to boston yesterday with steve clarke and apparently returned this afternoon does not sound well.

when you stack it all up, kenny has been terrible, which ever way you look at it, it all comes back to kennys feet. tactics for games has been absolutely shocking at times, if you counteract than with the players just werent good enough, then kenny bought them and played them, leaving kuyt out for most of the season in favour of even henderson on the right is just stupid. the whole suarez affair was handled poorly by kenny and it took the owners from the other side of the world to crack some heads and get it sorted out because it was turning into a total shambles.

but the thing that tell me what i need to know about kenny is he's not getting the best out of the players hes got. the absolute least anyone should want from their manager is to live up to your expectations. im not talking fsg's expectations of top 4 im talking about the stature and holding you have in the league. with liverpools wage bill being the 4th or 5th biggest a manager must surely at least live up to that and be able to maintain their position in the league or at least challenge for it. on top of that, arsenal and chelsea had attrocious league seasons and if we'd lived up to expectations we'd have walked the cl places this season. we didnt, we massively underachieved.

[kopchoir]

Look here is what i know
Kenny is going on Holiday tomorrow Clarke is holidaying in Miami so he stayed over in Boston, Kenny and clarke were both at heathrow yesterday morning, a fan had his pic taken with him before flying off to the US.
So kenny and clarke defo went yesterday as clarke was pictured at the red sox game last night, now i woke up to the news at 8am this morning from friends.But was hearing bad stuff yesterday about what would be happening in this so called meeting.
Now its up in the air few people close to Kenny`s wife are saying he is staying another rumour says press conference at 3:30pm so nobody knows apart from kenny and the board.
Kenny will not be sacked he will resign, Kenny wants money for transfers and however much you look at the gross transfer budget in real terms its 20 odd million quid in 3 transfer windows and its not enough to compete.
The lack of leadership this year from the owners and their newly appointed CEO has been poor, there have been loads of sackings at the club over the last month or two over certain things.


On a football side of things i want him to stay and this is out of no loyal blindness this out of believeing that he has what it takes to turn it around,18 months in a job is not long enough He has a very young squad and will take time to sort these players out. We dont sack managers at LFC just dont do it unless they commit crimes against football i.e Roy Hodgson.
Ive sat there this year missed about 7 home game sthis year and have seen some excellent football, i believe the team is not as crap as what is made out to be everyone goes on about downing no goals and no assists but he has created more goalscoring chances than any other player in the prem i believe there are other stats to counter the downing is crap brigade (yeah he hasnt had the best season but need to have a little faith).
Our worst season in 55 years and we finish 8th its not good enough for LFC but it shows these other fans of other clubs what i keep banging on about.

Manchester Utd 10, Arsenal 10, Chelsea 20, Everton 21, Spurs 24, Villa 29, Newcastle 38 and Manchester City 38

That's the number of seasons in the last 50 years they've had worse than our "very worst season in the history of mankind".

If it was a new manager then he would be afforded time but because its kenny everyone demands success deserves another year and ive been flipping and flopping wether to sack him all season.

If the board are seriously looking at Martinez over other candidates say rafa for instance then we are doomed

[Coffin]

So basically Kop:

Originally Posted by kopchoir

Look here is what i know

we are doomed

Sorry couldn't resist

[mrbobc]

isnt boston 5 hrs behind? so that made it around 9.30am when i first heard about the rumour. doubt any meeting would have even started properly at that time.

total rubbish and probably someone just backing the most likely solution and getting in early.

still i stand by my feelings on kenny. its ok being sentimental saying we dont sack managers but thats just stupid if a manager is massively underachieving in every aspect of his job.

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by mrbobc

isnt boston 5 hrs behind? so that made it around 9.30am when i first heard about the rumour. doubt any meeting would have even started properly at that time.

total rubbish and probably someone just backing the most likely solution and getting in early.

still i stand by my feelings on kenny. its ok being sentimental saying we dont sack managers but thats just stupid if a manager is massively underachieving in every aspect of his job.

5 hours behind Kenny left yesterday morning???

But if he won the FA cup then he had to stay so his whole season rested on 1game.
Its not being sentimental its being pragmatic if it was lets say AVB who had bought a load of players more people would be asking for more time and not rushing a decision on a managers position. I think that some people do think becuase its kenny then he has to stay but it works both ways in my eyes.

[FZR400RRSP]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

If the board are seriously looking at Martinez over other candidates say rafa for instance then we are doomed

This baffles me, although you're far from the only one who's guilty of it.
Martinez has done a fantastic job.
Why not give him a chance, why persist with going over old ground like Benitez?

[mrbobc]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

5 hours behind Kenny left yesterday morning??

i must have missed a day then cos this is the first im hearing on it and i thought he'd flown out last night

as for AVB i think you are wrong, he'd be getting more stick just like chelsea, he'd lost the players and had to go, there was no other remedy and i dont believe kenny can remedy the situation he's got us in.

i'd love for kenny to be a massive success at liverpool but the negatives far outweigh the positives and i really cant see kenny being able to turn it around.

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

This baffles me, although you're far from the only one who's guilty of it.
Martinez has done a fantastic job.
Why not give him a chance, why persist with going over old ground like Benitez?

Would you take him at spurs honestly ???

[FZR400RRSP]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

Would you take him at spurs honestly ???

His name has already been linked with Spurs.
I'd be quite happy to give him or Rodgers a go, yes.
They will go to a big club and be a success at some point.
Wouldn't you rather it was yours?

[mrbobc]

Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

This baffles me, although you're far from the only one who's guilty of it.
Martinez has done a fantastic job.
Why not give him a chance, why persist with going over old ground like Benitez?

the point is, benitez has been there and done it, martinez hasnt. a top club should be getting in the very best we can get our hands on not taking a chance on an inexperienced manager. do you think man u will go for a young up and coming manager when fegie leaves? doubt it, theyll go for the best available candidate.

cream of the crop managers are amazingly hard to come by, but thats because theyre winners and prove it time and again.

[djdhrubs]

A key factor that a lot of people seem to be forgetting about is that, without Champions league football, you need a manager who can continue to attract good players to the club.

Yes Martinez and Rodgers would be fine candidates, who would go on to do well at big clubs. But they may not attract big names to come to the club.

Would Alonso and Torres have come to Anfield were it not for Benitez? Not sure they would have done.

Of course, trusting in a young manager would be a wise long term move, but you'll need big money to attract top names in that case.

[FZR400RRSP]

Originally Posted by mrbobc

not taking a chance on an inexperienced manager.

In what way is Martinez inexperienced?
He's managed to keep Wigan (the smallest club in the league) in the premiership since 2009.
It's a remarkable achievement.

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

His name has already been linked with Spurs.
I'd be quite happy to give him or Rodgers a go, yes.
They will go to a big club and be a success at some point.
Wouldn't you rather it was yours?

No,craig burley got ipswich to the uefa cup places in his first season.
Martinez, Rodgers who i posted a great link about the other day seems like a good manager either would do well at villa.
Would you of taken Martinez in say February of this year when his team was rooted to the bottom. ???

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

In what way is Martinez inexperienced?
He's managed to keep Wigan (the smallest club in the league) in the premiership since 2009.
It's a remarkable achievement.

And that qualifies him to be the boss of the most decorated team in english football. ????

[FZR400RRSP]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

And that qualifies him to be the boss of the most decorated team in english football. ????

As I said, someone will take a chance on him and do well.
What's the other option?
The same old names being regurgitated?
Like managing a club going for CL places is a 'closed shop' affair?
Redknapp had no CL experience before 2010, he took Spurs to the quarter finals in his first attempt.

[andyparksy]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

And that qualifies him to be the boss of the most decorated team in english football. ????

Honestly am not trying to wind you up here, but think it is important to see where you are, not where you have been......

Am not saying a guy that has done well to avoid the drop is going to be the right one (don't think he will be) just in the same way that a manager doing a great job on limitted funds (Moyes) would be right to take over at OT as a lot of people talk about.

Problem is, for all the history, pool are not currently in a position to demand the top man - no CL (which means difficulty in getting the top, established players), at best a variable squad which would prob need to over perform to break into a top 4 and owners that have not seen a great return (generally) on the players they have spent on so far.

Kenny would have been perfect for the job, if he was any good, but so far I think he has been a lot less than good.....

[mrbobc]

Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

In what way is Martinez inexperienced?
He's managed to keep Wigan (the smallest club in the league) in the premiership since 2009.
It's a remarkable achievement.

not saying its not, im simply saying we need a man with a track record of winning things, martinez has not won a top trophy so we dont know if he will ever be capable of doing so and until he does, would always be a risk.

[kopchoir]

Not resigned not sacked according to the times so might as well close this.

[andyparksy]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

Not resigned not sacked according to the times so might as well close this.

Poor, very poor

Started about some rumours but turned into opinions about his merits as a manager and who would be better placed. sticking your fingers in your ears and going La La La is one way to deal with it, simply completely disagreeing with other opinions is another (I'm a manc - there, I even made it easy for you) but would expect more than just blind obedience

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by andyparksy

Poor, very poor

Started about some rumours but turned into opinions about his merits as a manager and who would be better placed. sticking your fingers in your ears and going La La La is one way to deal with it, simply completely disagreeing with other opinions is another (I'm a manc - there, I even made it easy for you) but would expect more than just blind obedience

Im a manc too and that matters how?? ive mentioned my bits on the king in various threads.
Its like going over old ground plus im on the iphone didnt have time at the mo.
But i will do

[JFRTDI]

it started as a rumour and still is..... whats clear is fsg still have some form of explaining to do as to what the meeting was about. Im sure we will find out in due course.

dont care what anyone says but no1 on this forum is an itk and has information others dont. like all we pull rumours from various sources an put it together re times, visits and what they were about.

suppose thats the fact of this thead :-)

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by JFRTDI

dont care what anyone says but no1 on this forum has information others dont.

Dont be to sure about that mate nobody knows anyone here so you never know

[mrbobc]

theres no decision either way yet i presume. if not, why hasnt kenny or LFC come out and rubbished the rumour yet? instead we get a comment from lfc saying we dont respond to speculation when surely just saying its not true would have been better.

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by mrbobc

theres no decision either way yet i presume. if not, why hasnt kenny or LFC come out and rubbished the rumour yet? instead we get a comment from lfc saying we dont respond to speculation when surely just saying its not true would have been better.

There has been nothing from the club either denying or saying we dont respond to speculation. Which we dont so there will be no comment until they have something to say.

[mrbobc]

i heard on the radio they had said that. but still surely we'd want to nip it in the bud, rumour or not. deny it once, we dont have to speculate anymore and it all goes away.