[RMCF]

Just read this line in the BBC report:

If found guilty, the maximum sentence Mr Terry could receive is a £2,500 fine.

Got me thinking, "whats the point?". All this hassle for a £2500 fine that Terry would earn in a couple of hrs work. Surely this is no deterrent at all.

If there was a chance of him doing a little bit of time, then it might actually change things.

[Naaktgeboren]

Originally Posted by RMCF

Just read this line in the BBC report:

If found guilty, the maximum sentence Mr Terry could receive is a £2,500 fine.

Got me thinking, "whats the point?". All this hassle for a £2500 fine that Terry would earn in a couple of hrs work. Surely this is no deterrent at all.

If there was a chance of him doing a little bit of time, then it might actually change things.

Couple of hours?? Pocket change surely

[Bantocks]

Can't believe the derisory maximum punishment.

He's probably spent more on a bottle of wine.

[andyparksy]

Yes, but would be a deterrent for most of us...... you can't base a fine on how much he can afford.

And as was said earlier, this is just a magistrates case with very limited options for scale of punishment

Any guilty verdict would have a much bigger implication for him than a fine would do for normal people anyway

[FZR400RRSP]

Originally Posted by andyparksy

Any guilty verdict would have a much bigger implication for him than a fine would do for normal people anyway

Correct, the fine really would be the tip of the iceberg for a public figure found guilty of a race crime.

[RMCF]

But would it affect his career?

I guess even if found guilty then he will still be playing football at Chelsea and earning £150,000 per week next season.

So where is the punishment? How has it affected him? Many people already assume he is a racist, so the verdict is irrelevant for many.

[hopeless]

Originally Posted by RMCF

But would it affect his career?

I guess even if found guilty then he will still be playing football at Chelsea and earning £150,000 per week next season.

So where is the punishment? How has it affected him? Many people already assume he is a racist, so the verdict is irrelevant for many.

Are you kidding, if found guilty he says to go. The FA, the league and CFC have been trying to stamp out racism for years. English football has already had its reputation dragged through the mud and now at least in one respect is the envy of the world. If Chelsea keep John Terry, and as the captain, and an ex captain of England, it would a slap in the face for English football.

As a west London boy and life long Chelsea fan, if he's found guilty and he's still at CFC, I swear I will switch allegiances to Brentford or Fulham instead.

Just as an afterthought. I had the offer of a guided tour of Stamford Bridge around Christmas with a group of friends but couldn't go. In the dressing room, the guide let slip that the dressing room was segregated. One side was for the English players and the other for foreign players, apparently from the demands of John Terry. The story was leaked to the Daily Mail which CFC denied as a misunderstanding or a joke. I have it on good authority that is what the tour guide said.

Whatever happens, the guy is or was a powerful and influential figure at Stamford Bridge.

A friend's comment says it all for me:

Its funny seeing some people say that certain people are out to damage John Terry's reputation when he has done far more to damage it himself. I have respect for him as a footballer but sadly none for him as a man.

[Stu V]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

It was his wife that told him that,again I refer you to my previous post and parksy post. Not about Anton vs Terry. But terry defence is that Anton heard it he accepted heat of the moment slur.
Now Anton says he didn't hear terry say it so to me throws out Terry's defence.

Didn't take that in. My brain's not in gear at the moment, not that it's great at the best of times but more so at the moment

Just for the record if he is found guilty then he should never play for the club again. Chances of that - zero

[liamt]

Originally Posted by andyparksy

And a couple of utd ones as well ;-)

you have failed to grasp this thread. negrito is an offensive word in many places. the vampire admitted to calling evra that. not sure why i am deluded?

[liamt]

Originally Posted by RMCF

Just read this line in the BBC report:

If found guilty, the maximum sentence Mr Terry could receive is a £2,500 fine.

Got me thinking, "whats the point?". All this hassle for a £2500 fine that Terry would earn in a couple of hrs work. Surely this is no deterrent at all.

If there was a chance of him doing a little bit of time, then it might actually change things.

how come that welsh racist got jail time then for his twitter comments?

[dr no]

A lot of us Chelsea fans have had enough of him.
He has become a liability and a constant distraction over the last few years.

As with our current theme for change we should relegate him to the bench and stick with Luiz, Cahill and Ivanovic as our central defence.

[Ian J]

I think that the whole thing is a ridiculous farce as this five day trial will cost the taxpayer millions.

I find it a daft situation that it's quite acceptable to call someone a ****ing **** during a football match but if you insert the word "black" in the middle it becomes a race crime and we have a multi million pound trial over it

[Saldawop]

Originally Posted by Wore Nowt

I think that the whole thing is a ridiculous farce as this five day trial will cost the taxpayer millions.

I find it a daft situation that it's quite acceptable to call someone a ****ing **** during a football match but if you insert the word "black" in the middle it becomes a race crime and we have a multi million pound trial over it

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by Wore Nowt

I find it a daft situation that it's quite acceptable to call someone a ****ing **** during a football match but if you insert the word "black" in the middle it becomes a race crime and we have a multi million pound trial over it

Are you serious?

[Donnacha]

Originally Posted by liamt

you have failed to grasp this thread. negrito is an offensive word in many places. the vampire admitted to calling evra that. not sure why i am deluded?

Maybe if you read the FA report you would realise that it is not the word he was accused of using !

Can we keep this thread on Terry please, as many are tired of us hypocritical Liverpool lawyers and have had enough of the Suarez case?

[Naaktgeboren]

Originally Posted by dr no

A lot of us Chelsea fans have had enough of him.
He has become a liability and a constant distraction over the last few years.

As with our current theme for change we should relegate him to the bench and stick with Luiz, Cahill and Ivanovic as our central defence.

Racism in any form cannot be condoned, it's just not acceptable. He has admitted it I read and the argument appears to be based on context??

When you say "a lot of us Chelsea fans". I guess you are talking about friends of yours or people you know as your feelings are definatly not feelings shared by the mass of Chelsea supporters, this is clear if you look at Shedtalk or anywhere similar.

He is our captain and without him, we would not even have been in the Champions League final.

He may come across as an absolute **** at the best of times but I am not into the showbizz footballer lifestyle tabloid junk, I go by what I see on the pitch and there is nobody as influential as JT at Chelsea. We would be a lot poorer without him.

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by Donnacha

Maybe if you read the FA report you would realise that it is not the word he was accused of using !

I've read the report a few times and it has given me a headache!

Yes, that wasn't the word he used but something similar.

[djdhrubs]

Originally Posted by Wore Nowt

I think that the whole thing is a ridiculous farce as this five day trial will cost the taxpayer millions.

I find it a daft situation that it's quite acceptable to call someone a ****ing **** during a football match but if you insert the word "black" in the middle it becomes a race crime and we have a multi million pound trial over it

??!!!!!

Obviously the 'black' comment makes it a race crime, as it's a reference to race!

Without the word 'black' you're left with a crude insult, nothing more.

You clearly don't get it and need some education. The difference between a crude insult and a disgraceful career-ending statement which taps into hundreds of years of illegal oppression and hate can just be one word.

[dr no]

Originally Posted by Naaktgeboren

Racism in any form cannot be condoned, it's just not acceptable. He has admitted it I read and the argument appears to be based on context??

When you say "a lot of us Chelsea fans". I guess you are talking about friends of yours or people you know as your feelings are definatly not feelings shared by the mass of Chelsea supporters, this is clear if you look at Shedtalk or anywhere similar.

He is our captain and without him, we would not even have been in the Champions League final.

He may come across as an absolute **** at the best of times but I am not into the showbizz footballer lifestyle tabloid junk, I go by what I see on the pitch and there is nobody as influential as JT at Chelsea. We would be a lot poorer without him.

Yep, I am going based on all the Chelsea supporters around me which includes a lot of those you mention. I don't follow any football forums other than here

I am not disagreeing of JTs stature and contribution to Chelsea but I do think we are undergoing a sea change. The football RA wants needs a different type of defence. With all of JTs shenanigans this may be a good time to take a backseat and help the team and youngsters from a backroom role.

Chelsea needs to build its support base nationally and internationally. We are doing this with trophies but a better image is definitely required for this happen quicker. All IMO of course.

[kopchoir]

The FA has made a statement, they feel that Terry's word is more believable than Ferdinand's because he wore a neater suit and spoke with more remorse.

The 114 statement has come to the conclusion that Ferdinand is guilty of lying and provocation.

Liverpool have made a formal apology to Chelsea and QPR.

[Stu V]

JT's lawyers have for the case to be dismissed

BBC News - John Terry lawyers urge racism case to be thrown out

[Westindieman]

Originally Posted by hopeless

Just as an afterthought. I had the offer of a guided tour of Stamford Bridge around Christmas with a group of friends but couldn't go. In the dressing room, the guide let slip that the dressing room was segregated. One side was for the English players and the other for foreign players, apparently from the demands of John Terry. The story was leaked to the Daily Mail which CFC denied as a misunderstanding or a joke. I have it on good authority that is what the tour guide said.

Whatever happens, the guy is or was a powerful and influential figure at Stamford Bridge.

A friend's comment says it all for me:

I find that hard to believe. Wouldnt the foreign and even black players be revolting at Chelsea if that were the case. Would you really have me believe Drogba or Cole would put up with that?

Back to the case, I am puzzled as to the truth of whether this guy is racist or not. If the truth is he has supported the charities of Desailly and Drogba's. But then whether his lawyer is saying the lip reader states it is inconclusive while for me there is no doubt what he has said, what is the point in allowing that line? And why did he say it if he isnt racist, I dont get that you would be asking someone '..are you accusing me of saying....'
Im puzzled by it all.

[Stu V]

Originally Posted by Westindieman

I find that hard to believe. Wouldnt the foreign and even black players be revolting at Chelsea if that were the case. Would you really have me believe Drogba or Cole would put up with that?

Back to the case, I am puzzled as to the truth of whether this guy is racist or not. If the truth is he has supported the charities of Desailly and Drogba's. But then whether his lawyer is saying the lip reader states it is inconclusive while for me there is no doubt what he has said, what is the point in allowing that line? And why did he say it if he isnt racist, I dont get that you would be asking someone '..are you accusing me of saying....'
Im puzzled by it all.

He has played alongside all nationalities and races in his time with Chelsea and if he is racist then I would have thought someone would have outed him, especially now. However none have and he has the support of former teammates including black ones such as Marcel Desailly. He may have turned out to have made a racist comment in the heat of the moment (we shall see). Ron Atkinson was another example of someone making a stupid comment but not regarded as a racist.

[Stu V]

Originally Posted by Stu V

JT's lawyers have for the case to be dismissed

BBC News - John Terry lawyers urge racism case to be thrown out

Which has now been rejected. Trial continues.

[kopchoir]

Personally if i was the prosecution i would of called my star witness.

The Prosecution calls Ledley King to the stand me lord.
The Prosecution rests

[Stu V]

You're on form today Kop

[dr no]

Originally Posted by Stu V

He has played alongside all nationalities and races in his time with Chelsea and if he is racist then I would have thought someone would have outed him, especially now. However none have and he has the support of former teammates including black ones such as Marcel Desailly. He may have turned out to have made a racist comment in the heat of the moment (we shall see). Ron Atkinson was another example of someone making a stupid comment but not regarded as a racist.

I just cannot imagine him to be racist.
As you have pointed out he has been working alongside all colours and creed.
And no one can doubt the team spirit at Chelsea.

Why oh why couldn't he just admit he used racist words in the heat of the moment but isn't a racist and apologise profusely?
FA would have punished him and that would have been the end of that.
Instead he got caught lying with his cover story and of course the waiting hounds (press) leapt for him as they are always looking to do.

Who at Chelsea advises this guy?
He seems always to try lie his way out of it.
He tried to lie his way after the sending off at Barca too.

Lets hope for a speedy end to this farce.

[Westindieman]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

Personally if i was the prosecution i would of called my star witness.

The Prosecution calls Ledley King to the stand me lord.
The Prosecution rests

Dont get it. I know they had a spat at White Hart lane a few years back and Terry was sent off later for a 2nd yellow but cant think off anything else.

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by Westindieman

Dont get it. I know they had a spat at White Hart lane a few years back and Terry was sent off later for a 2nd yellow but cant think off anything else.

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Chelsea | I want to manage Chelsea - Terry

just google it mate

[Westindieman]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Chelsea | I want to manage Chelsea - Terry

just google it mate

I see. Smoke indicates fire somewhere.........