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Old 15-03-2010, 2:43 PM   #121
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Simple fix would be to make it mandatory to have at least 2 pit stops!
Or the FIA stop ******* about with rule changes and let them race each other

You know next year the double diffuser will be banned
 
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Old 15-03-2010, 2:59 PM   #122
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Simple fix would be to make it mandatory to have at least 2 pit stops!
Why?

All that does is ensure every team does the optimum strategy which is stopping after 1/3rd and 2/3rds of the race.
Exactly the same as last season.

The solution is less regulation not more.
If I want to watch a spec' series I'll watch A1GP (well, maybe not ) or GP2 or one of the numerous other "off the shelf" series.
 
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Simple fix would be to make it mandatory to have at least 2 pit stops!
That's the worst possible idea. The teams' strategies are already dictated by the tyre rules. The more pit stops you mandate the less reason there is for drivers to push because they know their competitors have to stop again.

Zero mandatory pit stops and freedom of tyre choice between qualifying and the race (how ineffectual does the 'must start race on qualifying tyre' rule look now?) is the only way to ensure variety in strategy, without which the teams are all just doing exactly the same as each other.
 
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Simple fix: Snipers at certain parts of the course, not to hit drivers but parts of the cars!
 
Old 15-03-2010, 5:26 PM   #125
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Impossible.

The regulations don't allow for it and the current cars have been designed for full fuel loads.
And as they're now homolgated it would take written permission from the FIA on safety grounds to change any of the designs.
Not to mention the cost and logistics, etc.
I'm sure the cars would work ok if not better on lower fuels aswell after all the cars were around 10 seconds faster in qualifying than the race.

The larger fuel tank would give the teams much more flexability with stratagies aswell.
 
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Have to agree with getting rid of the compulsory tyre change, never really understood the logic to it anyway. Considering the FIA have been pushing for cost cutting measures it just seems a completely unnecessary cost to force teams to use an extra set of tyres!
 
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Have to agree with getting rid of the compulsory tyre change, never really understood the logic to it anyway. Considering the FIA have been pushing for cost cutting measures it just seems a completely unnecessary cost to force teams to use an extra set of tyres!
Have no pit stops?

How long will it take the new teams to be ready for a full race? Admirable as it is starting a new f1 team, getting to the grid etc, but to last less than five laps is not the ideal spectacle we want to see.

We'll end up with two tier racing.
 
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Wasn't a ban on tyre warmers meant to be happening...?
 
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As a matter of interest, who is it who comes up with all the new rules? Is there anyone who has raced within the last 4 years who helps to make up the rules?

I know that track selection will just be down to how much Bernie can make from them so they're probably not interested at all in what kind of race will be produced
 
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Have no pit stops?
No, have no compulsory pit stops. Allow the teams to work out their own strategies and play to their own strengths instead of mandating who does what, when and how often.

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How long will it take the new teams to be ready for a full race? Admirable as it is starting a new f1 team, getting to the grid etc, but to last less than five laps is not the ideal spectacle we want to see.
They need testing for that, not pit stops.
 
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As a matter of interest, who is it who comes up with all the new rules? Is there anyone who has raced within the last 4 years who helps to make up the rules?
My understanding is: rules are devised by the various working groups (e.g. FOTA's technical and sporting working groups) and temporary sub-groups like the overtaking working group. Rules are voted on by FOM (Bernie), the FIA, Bridgestone and each team. The FIA can impose their own rules on safety grounds.

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I know that track selection will just be down to how much Bernie can make from them so they're probably not interested at all in what kind of race will be produced
Apparently so.
 
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The solution is less regulation not more.
If I want to watch a spec' series I'll watch A1GP (well, maybe not ) or GP2 or one of the numerous other "off the shelf" series.
Totally agree

That said that said the show needs to be improved i.e. cars that do not seemingly ruin their tyres/overheat as soon as they get within a second of each other.

F1 will never be an overtaking fest and shouldn't be, part and parcel of having some cars being inherently quicker than others (the fastest qualify first and in theory will stay there)...it just needs to be possible and not only when it rains or there is a huge performance differential.

There will be some good races this year (some of which will be due to the weather) but there will also be some more processions, Hungary/Valencia anyone?

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The death of Senna killed F1 cause after he got killed we had all these silly rule and reg changes the tracks allso changed for the worse to slow them down etc. That is why we had a crap race the other day cause the track is just pants. Bring back the pre Senna death days of no refueling you will see a race then
 
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They just need to sort the rear airflow aerodynamics out. In F1 they can't get withing 3-4 car lengths without getting into dirty air.

Lola/Swift/Dallara have all come up with a solution in Indycar called "zero wake" which basically makes it much much easier to get closer to the car in front without the dirty air of F1. Get closer, more overtaking.

And for completness sake, when I said I haven't watched F1 in nearly 4 years apart from the odd highlights, I haven't. Don't feel like I've missed much as whenever you read a review on Autosport or similar its always 3-4 paragraphs of the race with not much happening and then 10 paragraphs of the pr drone drivers speaking about this new part, or this appeal, or this strategy...... zzzzzzzz

Best thing on a F1 weekend is the GP2 race. They can pass, F1 can't, therefor its the cars. Exepct the last race where they butchered the circuit which last season produced one of the best GP2 races ever while the F1 was its usual snoozefest.
 
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Having watched this last night dull dull dull just like the circuit featureless

Miss the refuelling
 
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fantastic race. well enjoyable
 
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Do away with qualifying altogether and have the grid positions decided in reverse order based on placings in the last race. Then we can sit back in Australia and watch Alonso, Massa & Hamilton from the start trying to carve their way to the front
 
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Having watched this last night dull dull dull just like the circuit featureless

Miss the refuelling
I find it sad - current F1 racing is so bad that so many people obviously enjoyed watching stationary cars being filled with petrol.
 
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I think someone else has mentioned this already, but for me the golden age of F1 racing was over a few years ago. There's not been many races per season for the last few years that I would call exciting.
 
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Best solution IMO would ban rear diffusers (coming next season), take away even more downforce and give it back to mechanical grip with fatter rear and front tyres.

A short solution for this season would be to have three tyre compounds (soft, medium and hard) and they have to use all three. Take it a step further and the teams can only use two (say medium and hard) in practice sessions with the soft only be able to be used during the race i.e. they cant start on them so will have no idea how it will perform. This could lead to some interesting strategies.
 
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I find it sad - current F1 racing is so bad that so many people obviously enjoyed watching stationary cars being filled with petrol.
Peps up the excitement

Also races have been decided when things go wrong particularly fueling rig jams
 
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Best solution IMO would ban rear diffusers (coming next season), take away even more downforce and give it back to mechanical grip with fatter rear and front tyres.

A short solution for this season would be to have three tyre compounds (soft, medium and hard) and they have to use all three. Take it a step further and the teams can only use two (say medium and hard) in practice sessions with the soft only be able to be used during the race i.e. they cant start on them so will have no idea how it will perform. This could lead to some interesting strategies.
but again we'll be left with strategies deciding a race outcome! I want to see the racing on the track decide who finishes ahead of who, further restrictions on tyre choice would just compound (pardon the pun ) the current problems.
 
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Peps up the excitement

Also races have been decided when things go wrong particularly fueling rig jams
Comedy gold now but that could have been nasty when Massa drove of with the fuel hose still attached in Singapore.
 
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I watched the Indy Car race on Sky last night. Season opening race in Brazil. It was on a narrow street circuit in Sau Paulo but there was plenty of action, over taking, crashes etc. It was like the last time I used to watch it (Nigel Mansell days). Of course there are some bad things about Indy Car like women drivers and eight of the races are going to be on ovals but surely F1 can learn something from Indy Car about exciting racing ?
 
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We need to have races where it rains, so configure the calender to match monsoon season!

If F1 cannot provide a exciting season with four world championship drivers, then its doomed!

Of course, its only been one race! I don't expect every race to be a heart in your mouth affair, but more than the final championship-deciding-race of the season
 
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Of course, its only been one race! I don't expect every race to be a heart in your mouth affair...
Exactly. They started the season at the wrong circuit if they wanted the new season to explode all over everyone's chops.
 
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I watched the Indy Car race on Sky last night. Season opening race in Brazil. It was on a narrow street circuit in Sau Paulo but there was plenty of action, over taking, crashes etc. It was like the last time I used to watch it (Nigel Mansell days). Of course there are some bad things about Indy Car like women drivers and eight of the races are going to be on ovals but surely F1 can learn something from Indy Car about exciting racing ?
What's wrong with women drivers? There was talk of Danica Patrick moving to F1 but I believe she "couldn't afford the drop" as it were from lost sponsorship.

I changed my mind about oval races after watching a few of them. There was one last year where the top 10 cars in the race went over the finish line within half a second of each other.
 
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I changed my mind about oval races after watching a few of them. There was one last year where the top 10 cars in the race went over the finish line within half a second of each other.
Well, I've always wanted to see the F1 US GP raced on an oval. Just one race a year. I always thought the Americans would appreciate the effort and we'd get to see something different, if utterly utterly boring.
 
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F1 cars aren't designed run on ovals and just plain aren't strong enough. Plus the same problems would come in like in Bahrain as the F1 cars just can't follow close enough to allow racing on an oval.

I know die hard F1 fans rate ovals as being simple and boring, but until you've tried them (I have) they are superbly challenging!

Senna was already talking with Penske about moving to Indycar possibly in 1995/1996 before Imola 94
 
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F1 cars aren't designed run on ovals and just plain aren't strong enough. Plus the same problems would come in like in Bahrain as the F1 cars just can't follow close enough to allow racing on an oval.
I do appreciate that, but we got a degree of drafting in 2000. I remember the McLarens dragging each other round in qualifying. I'm sure they could be set up to maximise their opportunities.
 
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