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			<title>Hard Drive compatability in RAID-1 (SAFE)...</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:40:25 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I have a Sumvision Enclosure that was running 2  Maxtor Diamondmax 22's.. in RAID-1 (SAFE) mode. (mirrored). 
   One has failed so I have now replaced it with a  
Diamondmax 23... Can anyone tell me if they are compatible to run together ... ?    I've set them both up and my laptop is recognising...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I have a Sumvision Enclosure that was running 2  Maxtor Diamondmax 22's.. in RAID-1 (SAFE) mode. (mirrored).<br />
   One has failed so I have now replaced it with a <br />
Diamondmax 23... Can anyone tell me if they are compatible to run together ... ?    I've set them both up and my laptop is recognising my 'X' drive (as I call it) but the 'warning' light on the front of my Enclosure is showing purple and  according to the manual , that means ...<br />
..the HDD volume degredation (RAID-1)...  anyone know what thats all about...???    I'd appreciate any help,Thanks...     thangler.</div>

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			<title>seagate external new hd 1tb</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:07:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>anyone had this problem before its less then 2weeks at first week it was fine i could transfer big files of 2gb or 1gb without problems and all of a suden it wont transfer files bigger then 300-400mb to the harddrive it say its calulating the transfer then the power light on the harddrive goes off...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>anyone had this problem before its less then 2weeks at first week it was fine i could transfer big files of 2gb or 1gb without problems and all of a suden it wont transfer files bigger then 300-400mb to the harddrive it say its calulating the transfer then the power light on the harddrive goes off :suicide:<br />
<br />
update done a new test formated it and tryed puttin a 13mb file on it and kept saying calculating and the power light went off on hd after 4min waiting and restart the hd and it showed the 13mb file but didnt play so looks like its gone dodgy<br />
<br />
<br />
UPDATE FIXED was if i left the usb in and started the pc it caused the hardrive to not work correctly since i took usb lead out and started it then plugged the hd in it works faster<br />
<br />
dont matter still broke<br />
<br />
it worked for a few sec then did the same fault again<br />
<br />
dont think its harddrive i think its windows 7 fault or something wrong with the usb maybe as i tested with a usb 2gb and get same fault</div>

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			<title>Which is Best HDD Brand ????</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:58:52 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I'm looking for a SATA II Hard Drive, 320GB to 500GB. 
 
There are loads to choose from all within a couple of quid of each other. 
 
Just wondering is there any brand better than the others or any to avoid 
 
Samsung (SpinPoint) 
Hitachi (DeskStar) 
Seagate (Barracuda) 
Western Digital (Caviar...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I'm looking for a SATA II Hard Drive, 320GB to 500GB.<br />
<br />
There are loads to choose from all within a couple of quid of each other.<br />
<br />
Just wondering is there any brand better than the others or any to avoid<br />
<br />
Samsung (SpinPoint)<br />
Hitachi (DeskStar)<br />
Seagate (Barracuda)<br />
Western Digital (Caviar Blue)<br />
<br />
Or are they all pretty much identical as the specs suggest.<br />
<br />
Cheers,<br />
<br />
Nigel</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Help! I Can't Get My New HDD To Work!]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:07:40 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi people 
 
I'm having difficulties getting my new Samsung F3 1TB internal HDD to work. It's SATA, however, my PC is a very modern IDE desktop. I purchased one of those cheapie SATA>IDE adaptors off ebay so I could use it but I'm having problems. I'm sure it's because of how it is set-up rather...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi people<br />
<br />
I'm having difficulties getting my new Samsung F3 1TB internal HDD to work. It's SATA, however, my PC is a very modern IDE desktop. I purchased one of those cheapie SATA&gt;IDE adaptors off ebay so I could use it but I'm having problems. I'm sure it's because of how it is set-up rather than an actual problem with the HDD itself. I've left the existing HDD in there and that is set to master... but as the adaptor and the SATA HDD don't have jumpers I can't set these to slave - it makes me think this is the problem. <br />
<br />
I get the following error messages<br />
<br />
secondary drive 0 not found<br />
<br />
when I press F1 to continue, the computer boots from the original IDE HDD as per normal...<br />
<br />
what am I doing wrong? on the first occasion I booted the PC up with the SATA HDD installed it recognised it as I got a new HDD bubble appear in the bottom right corner (I'm using XP by the way!) - however, other than that, I have got signs of life... please help me!<br />
<br />
Thanks (in advance) to anyone who can help!</div>

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			<title>Need a new backup drive.</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:16:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>The drive I have been using for Time machine has just died so have been looking for a replacement. 
 
Has anyone used one of these in a RAID configuration ? 
 
2.5 3.5 x2 DUAL SATA HDD USB eSATA Dock RAID 0/1 JBOD on eBay (end time 01-Dec-09 08:14:11 GMT)...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The drive I have been using for Time machine has just died so have been looking for a replacement.<br />
<br />
Has anyone used one of these in a RAID configuration ?<br />
<br />
<a href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-5-3-5-x2-DUAL-SATA-HDD-USB-eSATA-Dock-RAID-0-1-JBOD_W0QQitemZ260499858438QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item3ca7006406" target="_blank">2.5 3.5 x2 DUAL SATA HDD USB eSATA Dock RAID 0/1 JBOD on eBay (end time 01-Dec-09 08:14:11 GMT)</a><br />
<br />
I have a spare SATA drive so I thought I would start with a single drive and maybe add a second drive later on.<br />
<br />
I was wondering if this is hardware RAID on the unit or software controlled from the OS.</div>

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			<title>Drive not listed</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:39:54 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hi, 
  
I have replaced my drive in my PS3 and the drive which was removed has been put into a casing to use as an external drive. All seemed fine when plugging into my computer by USB as it was recognised and a message came up saying it was installed successfully and was ready for use. I then...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi,<br />
 <br />
I have replaced my drive in my PS3 and the drive which was removed has been put into a casing to use as an external drive. All seemed fine when plugging into my computer by USB as it was recognised and a message came up saying it was installed successfully and was ready for use. I then attempted to find the drive and it is not listed. I have followed instructions and found it listed in the devices but still it doesn't show up to use as a drive.<br />
 <br />
How do I get this drive to show up so I can utilise it as an external drive?<br />
 <br />
Many thanks<br />
 <br />
Thomo</div>

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			<title>Western digital elements 500GB</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:06:43 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hi, sorry to bother you people but i really need some help and advice please. 
  
I am a DJ and run my gig of laptop and also have a PS3 so i bought a WD elements 500GB earlier today from Currys...I put it into my laptop perfect shows as a (F: ) file which i was expecting. Put it on a USB on my PS3...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi, sorry to bother you people but i really need some help and advice please.<br />
 <br />
I am a DJ and run my gig of laptop and also have a PS3 so i bought a WD elements 500GB earlier today from Currys...I put it into my laptop perfect shows as a (F: ) file which i was expecting. Put it on a USB on my PS3 and zilch..Since found out the PS3 is FAT32.....<br />
 <br />
My question is if I change the WD elements 500GB from current NTSC to FAT32 will it still run fine on my laptop with my music on it???? <br />
 <br />
Many thanks in advance.<br />
 <br />
Lloyd</div>

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			<title>My SSD vs HDD dilema - for Windows 7 64-bit</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:10:48 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I would love to install my new Windows 7 64-bit onto a solid state drive but I'm finding it impossible to justify the cost. I SSD is the OCZ 120GB Vertex (or similar) and that is around ~ £300. That is just silly money isn't it?  
 
Has anyone else had this dilema. I am now thinking of buying a...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I would love to install my new Windows 7 64-bit onto a solid state drive but I'm finding it impossible to justify the cost. I SSD is the OCZ 120GB Vertex (or similar) and that is around ~ £300. That is just silly money isn't it? <br />
<br />
Has anyone else had this dilema. I am now thinking of buying a Samsung F3 1TB Hard Drive for ~ £60. The money I save could go towards buying some more PC games or upgrading my 8800GTS card or upgrading from 4GB to 8GB of DDR2 RAM. But what should I do? Is buying a SDD now really worth it? Perhaps I should wait until after Christmas or for another 6 months...<br />
<br />
Has any one else upgraded their disk drive recently for Windows 7 installations and which (SDD or HDD) did you go for? <br />
<br />
For those who got a HDD how did you partition your drive? Is this a good idea, for example to have one partition for OS and games perhaps and have a larger one for data, music/photos etc..?</div>

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			<dc:creator>Geege</dc:creator>
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			<title>Anyone ever returned a faulty HDD?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:05:32 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Been reading reviews of various HDDs and see the usual batch of people that seem to very unfortunately experience a fail of some kind after only a few weeks or months. 
 
Got me to thinking, do many people actually return drives to manufacturers even though their personal data may be a risk? 
 
For...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Been reading reviews of various HDDs and see the usual batch of people that seem to very unfortunately experience a fail of some kind after only a few weeks or months.<br />
<br />
Got me to thinking, do many people actually return drives to manufacturers even though their personal data may be a risk?<br />
<br />
For example, on a drive I have a folder called private documents, this has a scan of my passport and driving license.  It also has numerous works contracts and other personal information.  Of course there are the family photos and videos which are private too but all this is a possible treasure trove for anyone to get hold of.<br />
<br />
We have internet security software so that hackers cannot break into our systems and steal our data - yet we are expected to return faulty drives under warranty for anyone to snoop around.<br />
<br />
Just wondered what the general opinon was on all this?</div>

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			<title>Which HDD... Maxtor/Seagate or Western Digital?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:11:17 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hi all, 
Was after another Maxtor HDD as have never had any problems with them in the past. 
_I need at HDD of at least 320gb on a budget of no more than £40._ 
My local computer shop told me they wont stock Maxtor and I should buy a Western Digital from them. 
Explained I have always used Maxtor...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi all,<br />
Was after another Maxtor HDD as have never had any problems with them in the past.<br />
<u>I need at HDD of at least 320gb on a budget of no more than £40.</u><br />
My local computer shop told me they wont stock Maxtor and I should buy a Western Digital from them.<br />
Explained I have always used Maxtor and just want another drive to add to my 2 others and the guy said that Maxtors &quot;are not what they used to be&quot;.  He basicly said they are poor drives.<br />
<br />
Is he right?<br />
<br />
At the moment I am looking to buy this...<br />
<a href="http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/-/2148/1415/-/3518743/Western-Digital-Caviar-SE16-WD5000AAKS-500GB-SATA-Internal-Hard-Drive/Product.html?searchtype=genre" target="_blank">Play.com (UK) : Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB SATA Internal Hard Drive : Computing - Free Delivery</a><br />
and so if anyone has any opinions of it I would be most grateful.<br />
<br />
Cheers in advance of any replies.<br />
blue40</div>

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			<title>Some advice re large capacity hard-drives please</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:48:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello everybody, 
 
I need a hard-drive of about *[Mod Comment: Link Removed]*1 or 1.5 TB, and since I am not really up-to-date with the latest developments, I thought I'd ask people who have a better overall view of these things. My questions are: 
 
(1) Is it worth waiting a bit more until SSD...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hello everybody,<br />
<br />
I need a hard-drive of about <b>[Mod Comment: Link Removed]</b>1 or 1.5 TB, and since I am not really up-to-date with the latest developments, I thought I'd ask people who have a better overall view of these things. My questions are:<br />
<br />
(1) Is it worth waiting a bit more until SSD drives become more prevalent, and then grab a cheap 1.5 TB traditional (electromechanical) drive? Although I need storage space quite badly, I'd be willing to wait a bit more if I had reason to believe their prices will drop sharply within a month or so!<br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
(2) Is it true that large capacity (&gt;1TB) traditional (electromechanical) hard drives are more prone to data loss and crashes than &quot;normal&quot; capacity ones (say, around 320 GB)? If so, are other technologies (such as SSD hard-drives, or perhaps even large-capacity USB flash drives) a better overall choice (taking both price and reliability into account), for the moment?<br />
<br />
Anticipated thanks for any replies, I really appreciate the help!</div>

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			<title>Ram for P5k</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:50:46 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi i have a Asus P5k and am thinking of getting this ram: 
 
Kingston HyperX 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 6400C4 800MHz Dual Channel (KHX6400D2LLK2/4G) [KHX6400D2LLK2/4G] Memory DDR2 - PC2-6400 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-038-KS) 
 
I normally always go with Kingston Ram but does...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi i have a Asus P5k and am thinking of getting this ram:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-038-KS" target="_blank">Kingston HyperX 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 6400C4 800MHz Dual Channel (KHX6400D2LLK2/4G) [KHX6400D2LLK2/4G] Memory DDR2 - PC2-6400</a><br />
<br />
I normally always go with Kingston Ram but does anyone recommend any other brand of ram which is better than Kingston. <br />
<br />
Thanks in Advance<br />
Dizzy</div>

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			<title>Help with media collection backup??</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:10:04 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I currently have a server with a 1.5tb hard drive in it thats getting full. Soon ill need to buy more storage, and im confused as to whats best to get. My initial idea was to buy a case to hold 5+ hard drives for a raid but ive looked on the forum and this doesn't look like the best idea. I also am...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I currently have a server with a 1.5tb hard drive in it thats getting full. Soon ill need to buy more storage, and im confused as to whats best to get. My initial idea was to buy a case to hold 5+ hard drives for a raid but ive looked on the forum and this doesn't look like the best idea. I also am going to need a backup in case my main storage fails. What do you suggest??<br />
<br />
help is much appreciated<br />
<br />
thanks!!<br />
<br />
Craig</div>

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			<title>TrekStor MovieStation - any opinions?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:58:16 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I am thinking of buying one of *these* (http://www.trekstor.de/en/products/detail_entertainment.php?pid=6&cat=3) as opposed to purchasing a media PC to run through my 32" Philips LCD.  
 
Looking at the specs it seems a good item that could double up as an external storage device of my music, pics...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I am thinking of buying one of <a href="http://www.trekstor.de/en/products/detail_entertainment.php?pid=6&amp;cat=3" target="_blank"><b><i>these</i></b></a> as opposed to purchasing a media PC to run through my 32&quot; Philips LCD. <br />
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Looking at the specs it seems a good item that could double up as an external storage device of my music, pics etc as well as my films. The fact that is it then simply a case (or so it seems) of plugging in via the scart makes it all the more appealing. The films I would be watching will be 99% AVI files which the unit accepts.<br />
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I have found an online Italian retailer (not a problem as I live in Greece) who can supply this for 99.00 euro which seems quite reasonable to me. What do you people think?<br />
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Has anyone had any experience of using these? Is there a better solution out there that I am not aware of? Any advice will be gratefully received.</div>

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			<dc:creator>CJMD</dc:creator>
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			<title>SDHC Card Problem?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:54:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hi there, sure this has been covered many times but im very confused about it :god: lol... 
  
I have a new camera which uses a Silicon Power 4GB SDHC card...which my laptop wont recognize. Its fine with normal SD cards but when i put any SDHC it wont read it. Iv read about the microsoft hotfixes...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi there, sure this has been covered many times but im very confused about it :god: lol...<br />
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I have a new camera which uses a Silicon Power 4GB SDHC card...which my laptop wont recognize. Its fine with normal SD cards but when i put any SDHC it wont read it. Iv read about the microsoft hotfixes but unsure as to what to download or if my laptop can even read them with a download or if i need a special card reader?<br />
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Its a Sony Vaio laptop about 3 years old i think, with windows vista and an internal card reader.<br />
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Thanks for any advice! :thumbsup:</div>

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			<dc:creator>adamfernadam</dc:creator>
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