[Tyler Durden]

http://shopcn168.com/

Amazing prices, but something doesn't seem right.

[mistry]

hotmail address, based in china....
not worth the risk....

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

http://shopcn168.com/

Amazing prices, but something doesn't seem right.

That domain name was registered five days ago. How did you manage to find it so quickly?

[dave_bolsdon]

Watch this site it tries to downlaod something onto your computer - probably spyware.

[twentyone]

anyone daring enough to buy from them?
would it be covered by paypal if we lost out?
tom

[Mooky55]

I dont see why not, if you paid and never received the goods or there was something wrong with the item, surely PayPal would sort it out...

Might be import duties to be paid as wellthough... tough to work out actual cost.

[Richie_UK]

Originally Posted by Mooky55

I dont see why not, if you paid and never received the goods or there was something wrong with the item, surely PayPal would sort it out...

When you see the number of complaints about Paypal I think that's naive wishfull thinking

In the 'musthave100' scam last year people did get there money back if they funded their Paypal account using a credit card by doing chargeback. However they do risk persuit of debt from Paypal, whether this will happen remains to be seen. If people funded their Paypal account by debit card they were shafted

[Mooky55]

Yeah, I guess. I dont know..I have not had a problem and only disputed once.. so I am probably not qualified to comment.

[Simba]

i agree, paypal is useless when it comes to thinking that your making a safe transaction where in actual fact its just as 'safe' as doing a bank transfer. Watchdog made a recent comment on one of there recenrt shows regarding paypal and the severe lack of checking that is done on there part when it comes to companies using them as a means of customers to pay for goods.

paypal verified doesnt mean much nowadays.

[Tyler Durden]

Here is a conversation I have been having with this "company" over email. You will have to read it from the bottom up if you want to follow it.

Are there any other questions I could ask to prove or disprove their credibility?

Originally Posted by email

Dear friend,
I am sorry to hear that.If we just sell fakes,how can we go on doing business with our old customers.Without doing business, you say their products are fake,that isn't fair.If you don't want to do business with us, we won't force you to buy.But what i said to you is to testify that we are a legal company.We do business all over the world.We want to let our company stand in the business world steadily.
If you aren't sure to buy or not,you can think for a while.We will look forward to doing business with you in the future.
Best regards!

www.shopcn168.com
TEL:0086-0395-3968448
MSN: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Email: shopcn168@hotmail.com






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From: themorfills@tiscali.co.uk
To: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Reply to message!
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:56:58 +0000


What do you mean your manufacturers are a secret. If you are selling real Nokia phones and real Canon Cameras, then your manufacturers are Nokia and Canon. There is no secret.

I think you must sell fakes.


From: shaorongli
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:55 PM
To: The Morfills
Subject: RE: Reply to message!


Dear friend,
We are an online shop company.But our products suppliers are not doing business online.We buy products from them directly.We have done business for a long time,and we have established a good cooperation.The name of our manufacturers are our business secret.I don't think it is polite to ask other's business secret.Hope you can understand friend.If you want to do business,you can order a samll product on our website.Every customer will have the same feeling like you.So we are allowed you to buy just one product for the frist time.We are a big wholesaler in China.We seldom sell product one by one.You know that our price is reasonable.If you we sell just one by one,how can we stand on the business world for so long.And it isn't good for our benifit in this condition.
Thanks for your understanding.
Best wishes!

www.shopcn168.com
TEL:0086-0395-3968448
MSN: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Email: shopcn168@hotmail.com






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From: themorfills@tiscali.co.uk
To: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Reply to message!
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:36:20 +0000


I want to see your company name on their website.


From: shaorongli
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:35 PM
To: The Morfills
Subject: RE: Reply to message!


Dear friend,
We have sent the certificate about the NOKIA and MOTOROLA certificate to you. You can check them.
Best wishes!

www.shopcn168.com
TEL:0086-0395-3968448
MSN: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Email: shopcn168@hotmail.com






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From: themorfills@tiscali.co.uk
To: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Reply to message!
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:20:30 +0000


Do you appear on the manufacturers websites under there approved suppliers pages?


From: shaorongli
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:11 PM
To: The Morfills
Subject: RE: Reply to message!


Dear friend,
We will give you the certisficate of our company,but it is in chinese.Because we are in china,and chinese is our offical language.They are written in chinese.You can translate them,or you can ask us if you don't understand.
Best wishes!

www.shopcn168.com
TEL:0086-0395-3968448
MSN: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Email: shopcn168@hotmail.com






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From: themorfills@tiscali.co.uk
To: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Reply to message!
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:57:18 +0000


please provide me with proof (in english) that you are approved suppliers of some of the big names you are advertising.


From: shaorongli
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:55 PM
To: The Morfills
Subject: RE: Reply to message!


Dear friend,
I have told you that we can accept paypal if you buy more than 10 units,it is one of the safe payment. we have certificates of honesty awarded by China Electron Commerce association,we can offer them to you.We are a legal company,and we treat our customers' benifit as our own benifit.For our company,costomer's satisfaction is our best choice.We want to base our selves upon the business world.The only way is to do fair business.If we just cheat our customers,how can we do business for so long time.We have got a good reputation from our long time business relationship. We hope we can do business in the future. Without doing business,we won't understand each other,so we shold trust each other and establish a good relationship.
If you have some suspection,you can buy one small product to have a try. If you still have some questions about our product and company,please free to ask,be cause customers are God for us,so we will try our best to give our best best service.
Best wishes!


www.shopcn168.com
TEL:0086-0395-3968448
MSN: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Email: shopcn168@hotmail.com






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From: themorfills@tiscali.co.uk
To: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Reply to message!
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:31:02 +0000


None of your payments schemes give me any protection against fraud.




From: shaorongli
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:29 PM
To: The Morfills
Subject: RE: Reply to message!


Dear friend,
I am sorry to tell you that we don't accept pay in delivery.You can use other payment.We can accept western union,bank transfer or money gram.If you buy more than 10 units one time,we can also accept paypal.
If you have any questions,please free to ask,we will try to give you a satisfying answer.
Best wishes!

www.shopcn168.com
TEL:0086-0395-3968448
MSN: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Email: shopcn168@hotmail.com






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From: themorfills@tiscali.co.uk
To: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Reply to message!
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:58:56 +0000


For my first order. Can you send the item and I will pay on delivery?


From: shaorongli
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:55 PM
To: themorfills@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Reply to message!


Dear friend,
Glad to receive your message.
We buy goods from the producing company directly ,and we have set up good cooperate relationship with many companies,thus all of our goods are at a very low price. There are many overseas-funded enterprises and a large number of labours in China，furthermore, the workers' wage is relatively low ，so the costs are low.You know that our level of life is much lower than UK. And 1EUR= 11.0758CNY.400EUR=4430.42CNY.So you should understand the difference between different countries. If we sell 2000EUR,there will be no one to buy our products. we have certificates of honesty awarded by China Electron Commerce association,we can offer them to you.
After sending out your product, we can give you the tracking numebr and the offical invoice.If you have any questions,please free to ask, we will try to give you our best service.Waiting for your information.
Best regards!

www.shopcn168.com
TEL:0086-0395-3968448
MSN: shopcn168@hotmail.com
Email: shopcn168@hotmail.com




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[Ian J]

Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

Are there any other questions I could ask to prove or disprove their credibility?

Whatever you buy from China will have to have import duty and Vat added to the price so is it worth the risk just to save a few pounds. Why not just move on?

[Tyler Durden]

A few pounds!?

Try £1500.

[Ian J]

What are you looking at that is £1,500 cheaper from that site ?

[gingerprince]

hmmm....

they say:
"We have done business for a long time,and we have established a good cooperation"

yet someone above has discovered their domain was only registered 5 days previous?

:sherlock:

[Tyler Durden]

Originally Posted by Ian J

What are you looking at that is £1,500 cheaper from that site ?

Have a look at the Canon DSLRs.

[doylie1984]

Compare the company name here

http://stores.ebay.com/Liquid-8-Tech...dZ2QQpZ3QQtZkm

and

http://shopcn168.com/goodsview.asp?bjxGid=2359.

more digging shows this
http://www.elecor8.com/
and
http://shopcn168.com/goodsview.asp?bjxGid=2400

why would any company use an image that contains prototype products when the actual product has been out for at least
1yr now?

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by gingerprince

hmmm....

they say:
"We have done business for a long time,and we have established a good cooperation"

yet someone above has discovered their domain was only registered 5 days previous?

:sherlock:

The internet is comparatively new to China and it is quite conceivable that many companies have been trading for many years without any internet presence at all.

This is not intended as an endorsement of this particular company but is a comment on trading with China generally

[LCR_Dave]

i think i would take gamble using my credit card to fund paypal or credit card direct, shame i dont need anything really at the moment otherwise id try it

[LCR_Dave]

actually i changed my mind the prices on some stuff is ridiculous look at the ducati motobike they have it for around 1000 euro lol

Hi, found you guys last night. Can i ask how you came across this company as i was sent an email from a friends email account which has been unactive for approx 18 months. We accessed her old account and found the email from shopcn168 in her sent box, it had been posted to all her contacts. Strange eh??? def doesnt sound right. BEWARE!!!

Hi...first time here..for me..I made a test (on my expense ( I hope not)...I bought a sony dcr-sr 100 from www.elecor8.com two days ago ,so now i`m waiting..and we gona see are the site is real,anyway I paid 169 british pound for that...let see now..

[A Legal Beagle]

Originally Posted by jacklove007

Hi...first time here..for me..I made a test (on my expense ( I hope not)...I bought a sony dcr-sr 100 from www.elecor8.com two days ago ,so now i`m waiting..and we gona see are the site is real,anyway I paid 169 british pound for that...let see now..

Website/link doesnt work for me, just a blank screen...not a good sign at all! how did you pay?

[Budice]

worked for me, but the lick in the posts here shows as http://www.elecor8.com%20two/ instead of www.elecor8.com/ those extra bits ( %20two ) are what make it not work i think

If anyone interested,I payd with Western Union..and warning to everone,dont do this,its fake site,i lost my money.why I`m saying this,now they asking more money to pay china tax officials or they going to confiscate my camera...waww..I know first my mistake to make deal with this site...so everyone here and you tell anyone who you know that the sites as www.elecor8.com and similar who their email is ending with ...@hotmail.com they are fake ,scam,spam and I do not know what else but do not buy anything from them...Yea I know,to good to be real

[mistry]

Originally Posted by jacklove007

If anyone interested,I payd with Western Union..and warning to everone,dont do this,its fake site,i lost my money.why I`m saying this,now they asking more money to pay china tax officials or they going to confiscate my camera...waww..I know first my mistake to make deal with this site...so everyone here and you tell anyone who you know that the sites as www.elecor8.com and similar who their email is ending with ...@hotmail.com they are fake ,scam,spam and I do not know what else but do not buy anything from them...Yea I know,to good to be real

no offence mate, but why on earth would you want to pay by western union???
just the name sends shivers down my spine...
golden rule.....any internet purchases....always use credit card so you're covered for any potential losses....

anyway....am sorry for your loss mate...

[WalkInMyShoes]

Just my two cents, site looks like its been put together in a day or so, the pictures are models and not real stock and only a cowboy operation would operate from a hotmail.com account, stayy well clear my advice, what looks to good to be true 9/10 normally is.

[oddfeld]

Originally Posted by doylie1984

more digging shows this
http://www.elecor8.com/

Elecor8 have been hijacking people's hotmail accounts to send spam advertising from. I'm not just saying that after googling them - I've received spam from them myself when a friend of mine had her hotmail account hijacked by them, spamming everyone in her address book. I would steer well clear of these shysters.

[happydaddy]

Hi

I had a chat with alice who is a sales rep. Dont know what to make of it, ligit or not. perhaps someone will let us know if [FONT='Tahoma','sans-serif']www.shopcn168.com[/FONT] is legal. Below find my conversation.


ashraf says:
hi
Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]hello
[/FONT]ashraf says:
there are claims on the internet that your site is fake
Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]it is impossible
[/FONT]ashraf says:
do you have any affiliation with this site www.elecor8.com
Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]no
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]we don't know this website
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]wait
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]i will tell our manager to survey it
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]if you have any questions,please free to ask
[/FONT]ashraf says:
i would like to cancle order
Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]why
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]tell us the reason?
[/FONT]ashraf says:
i dont feel comfortable with order
Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]no
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]you may find there are many website
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]but we don't belong to them
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]we are a legal company
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]we have certificates of honesty awarded by China Electron Commerce association,we can offer them to you .
[/FONT]ashraf says:
no thanks i would just feel more comfortable with canceling my order
Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]if it is your last decision
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]we will cancel your order
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]and we will admire your decision
[/FONT]ashraf says:
thank you i wish for my order to be cancled
Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]i think you should think it over
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]we are having an activity now
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]we have gift to present now
[/FONT]ashraf says:
as much as i admire you to retain the sale i must insist
Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]OK
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]we will cancel it
[/FONT]Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]see you
[/FONT]ashraf says:
i will make shure to post my experience on forum. so others can decide what to make out of it. perhaps if someone comes back with positive feed back i will return to do purchasing
ashraf says:
thank you good bye
Alice says:
[FONT=Times New Roman]bye
[/FONT]

[Janders]

has anyone spotted anything really cheap on there. just a few quid to test the water?

[Marky1973]

Personaly, any company that seemed proud of its low prices because of the low wages and quality of life in China would put me right off.