Glut of PS3 in channel in USA, is this why no Blu-ray movie sales blip?

[mattym]

when the ps2 came out, the original playstation continued to sell, new titles came out on both machines for a while, and then slowly the ps1 releases stopped, sony should follow the same pattern, the installed base of PS2 is massive, sony are looking at a longer lifespan for the ps3, so i can see the ps2 still being supported and manufactured for some time yet.

PS3 is still selling out, the mention of one deal being on the net for 12 hours before selling hardly points to not selling, though personally i think they shoudl be selling in the uk for £399 at most

[LOXjet]

Originally Posted by ani4ani

I lay odds that the PS3 will launch at £325 - £350 and £399 - £425 [20 GB and 60 GB] respectively. In fact, I have booked marked this thread to come back when it happens.

I reckon £350 - £399 for the lower model and £450 - £499 for the higher.

[mr_yogi]

As far as i'm aware the UK (and probably Western Europe) is only getting the 60Gb version.

[BenchyUK]

SONY can get it in their heads now that the PS3 will never be as Big as the PS2. They aren't invincable and i reckon Xbox 360 and Wii could really clean up this generation.

[ani4ani]

Originally Posted by lee_c00per

SONY can get it in their heads now that the PS3 will never be as Big as the PS2. They aren't invincable and i reckon Xbox 360 and Wii could really clean up this generation.

You are quite probably right re Sony, but I really think the big losers here will be the 360. They are going to be squeezed between a rock and a hard place, i.e. the cheapness of the Wii and the Speciifcation of the PS3. Between them [granted mostly the Wii], they have acheived 1/2 of the 360 total sales in less than a month! The Wii has achieved in 2+ weeks [2.2M worldwide sales] what it took the 360 5 months to achieve. At this rate, by the end of February the Wii will have sold more than the 360.

All down to opinions of course, but that's my view.

[Dave2]

Originally Posted by lee_c00per

SONY can get it in their heads now that the PS3 will never be as Big as the PS2. They aren't invincable and i reckon Xbox 360 and Wii could really clean up this generation.

excellent points. i think i read some place that the market share for home consoles were xbox 360 37% ps3 36% wii 27% these figures were for new consoles only.

I guess these figure have changed slightly as the wii has been doing rather well.

But as we are going off topic slightly i think we should get back to topic and say consoles are only a very small percentage which will effect the HD format war.

[Dave2]

Originally Posted by ani4ani

You are quite probably right re Sony, but I really think the big losers here will be the 360. They are going to be squeezed between a rock and a hard place, i.e. the cheapness of the Wii and the Speciifcation of the PS3. Between them [granted mostly the Wii], they have acheived 1/2 of the 360 total sales in less than a month! The Wii has achieved in 2+ weeks [2.2M worldwide sales] what it took the 360 5 months to achieve. At this rate, by the end of February the Wii will have sold more than the 360.

All down to opinions of course, but that's my view.

The specifications of the ps3 ?

Yes the ps3 has some technology better than the xbox 360 but not much more , the 360 has a better GPU and can output better pixil mapping etc but while the cell proccessor on the ps3 can throw out a extra terraflop this will never be used or not untill they actually learn to intergrate it into the code of games etc.

[ani4ani]

Originally Posted by Dave2

The specifications of the ps3 ?

Yes the ps3 has some technology better than the xbox 360 but not much more , the 360 has a better GPU and can output better pixil mapping etc but while the cell proccessor on the ps3 can throw out a extra terraflop this will never be used or not untill they actually learn to intergrate it into the code of games etc.

Specifications

Larger Hard Drive [actually a hard drive!]
Wireless Built-in
Card Readers
Standard USB 2.0 Specifications allowing connection of multiple hard drives and other USB devices [including a printer]
Bluetooth - use any headset you like.
The ability to install Linux [user option] and run it like a PC - writing this post on it now.
HDMI Output + Component simultaneously
Blu ray built-in

that is what I meant by superior specifications...although I don't get the free fan heater

Even if we accept [I don't, as I can compare directly between the consoles] that the actual game play is identical, the PS3 if far higher specified.

[peterweg]

Originally Posted by StooMonster

Merrill Lynch recon $800 and that excludes cost of manufacture, packaging, distribution, etc. that's simply components; they do estimate down to $320 after three years. But I think it's highly unlikely Sony will be breaking even on each console in three months time for European launch.

Source: http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/18/p...ill-lynch-mob/

StooMonster

Merril Lynch They didn't even manage to add-up the total properly, they came up with $900. That is the sort of reasearch we are supposed to trust?
It was pure guesswork. However experts who took it apart after launch put the total cost at $768.

Whatever the figure,l Sony will want to start selling in Europe ASAP. There is a good chance they could launch early as the manufacturing problems have obviously been sorted (from the glut of new shipments being reported)

[StooMonster]

Merril Lynch, yeah well analysts from different houses ... some do have maths problems.

Still doesn't change the fact that even if components were only $768 some $32 cheaper; but that still doesn't include cost of manufacture, packaging, distribution, etc. so cost per console is higher still.

Obviously Sony will want to start selling in Europe ASAP, especially with weak dollar, every extra pound/euro here makes them more yen.

The 'glut' is not new shipments it's "in channel", and has nothing to do with manufacturing which still has problems according to everyone except Sony.

The 3/3/07 launch rumour has the price set as £425, there is only 60GB model planned for Europe.

StooMonster

[Dave2]

Originally Posted by ani4ani

Specifications

Larger Hard Drive [actually a hard drive!]
Wireless Built-in
Card Readers
Standard USB 2.0 Specifications allowing connection of multiple hard drives and other USB devices [including a printer]
Bluetooth - use any headset you like.
The ability to install Linux [user option] and run it like a PC - writing this post on it now.
HDMI Output + Component simultaneously
Blu ray built-in

that is what I meant by superior specifications...although I don't get the free fan heater

Even if we accept [I don't, as I can compare directly between the consoles] that the actual game play is identical, the PS3 if far higher specified.

But if people wanted all that they would go for a pc, a game console is about games am i correct ?

[ani4ani]

Originally Posted by mr_yogi

As far as i'm aware the UK (and probably Western Europe) is only getting the 60Gb version.

Well when the question was asked of Harrision, he said "we have never commented on availability in any market of any version of the console" Given the pressure on price that Sony clearly has, it would make no sense not have the cheapest product available. Ironically, I ignored many cheaper 20 GB versions on eBay seeking out the 60 GB version. Only when I got it home did I question why?

It has wireless, but then I use Lan. It has a larger hard drive, but then I have plugged two 500 GB drives into it anyway. It has a card reader, but I could have just as easily inserted my many portable ones in any event.

[peterweg]

Originally Posted by Vasquez

I reckon £350 - £399 for the lower model and £450 - £499 for the higher.

Thats ridiculous. All European PS3 will be shipped to the UK and sold there instead.

The Euro price is 499/599. thats £335/402, $659/790. The retailers profit is only £20 so they can sell it for six times the profit in the UK perfectly legaly and without any difference in the console, warranty PSU etc.

£330-349 or £399-410 is a more probable price range.

[BenchyUK]

Originally Posted by ani4ani

You are quite probably right re Sony, but I really think the big losers here will be the 360. They are going to be squeezed between a rock and a hard place, i.e. the cheapness of the Wii and the Speciifcation of the PS3. Between them [granted mostly the Wii], they have acheived 1/2 of the 360 total sales in less than a month! The Wii has achieved in 2+ weeks [2.2M worldwide sales] what it took the 360 5 months to achieve. At this rate, by the end of February the Wii will have sold more than the 360.

All down to opinions of course, but that's my view.

I think that you are right, the 360 may suffer because if the competeition. The 360 will do better than the Original as wil Nintendo with the Wii compared to the Gamecube.

The reason i think Nintendo will do so well is because of Nintendo going back to being what they are all about.... Inovation

As much as i don't like the PS3, it does on paper look like a very nice piece of equipment. It won't do as well as the PS2, that's for certain but i do however, because of their loyal consumers (Fanboys ) they will sell simular numbers to the 360. That's what will get them their sales, not the Blu-Ray player addition for sure.

It is a tricky situatiion and where i thought the 360 would clean up because of it's 12 month advance release, i am so wrong as Nintendo have shown.

[StooMonster]

Originally Posted by peterweg

Thats ridiculous. All European PS3 will be shipped to the UK and sold there instead.

The Euro price is 499/599. thats £335/402, $659/790. The retailers profit is only £20 so they can sell it for six times the profit in the UK perfectly legaly and without any difference in the console, warranty PSU etc.

£330-349 or £399-410 is a more probable price range.

You've forgotten to account for different levels of VAT in your calcs.

StooMonster