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Old 25-12-2008, 2:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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DVD-R with RGB pass-through?

Is there such a DVD deck? I notice when recording on my old DMR 55, the pic quality is not up to par. There is a noticable cross-hatching. I've been told on this great forum, that RGB pass-though prevents this. Can anyone suggest any new decks with this capability. Especially Panasonic brands if poss.

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Old 25-12-2008, 2:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: DVD-R with RGB pass-through?

My Panasonic EX-77 certainly does so I would assume that the newer EX-78, EX-88 etc. also do.
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Old 25-12-2008, 4:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: DVD-R with RGB pass-through?

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Is there such a DVD deck? I notice when recording on my old DMR 55, the pic quality is not up to par. There is a noticable cross-hatching. I've been told on this great forum, that RGB pass-though prevents this. Can anyone suggest any new decks with this capability. Especially Panasonic brands if poss.

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There seems to be some confusion here.


RGB Pass-through is a facility where RGB passes through from a source on an incoming scart and is passed out to the outgoing scart... as if the machine were invisible.. or not connected in the chain.

In other words it only applies to viewing other sources, not the DVDR unit itself.

This is to be distinguished from RGB Feed-through, where the RGB signal is actually taken into the machine and can be used by the machine, for recording in that quality, from an external source.

RGB Pass through does not apply at all to recordings that the machine makes itself using its own tuner...albeit these recordings can be fed to the TV in an RFB form ... but it requires fully wired scarts , and that it is fed into an RGB capable scart on the TV.

It is only recent TV sets that will have more than one RGB capable scart. Conventionally in the past there has only been one , irrespective of the number of scart sockets.

As it happens the E55 is capable of handling both RGB pass-through and true RGB input capability.

So you need to be clear about what sort of recordings you are referring to and the way you are connected to the TV.

The cross hatching is much more likely to be an artefact introduced by interference on the analogue signal.

Indeed you would not have this problem on a newer machine ... assuming you can receive Freeview, which is all the newer Panasonics are able to receive.... as this sort of patterning will not be present on digital transmissions.
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Old 29-12-2008, 2:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: DVD-R with RGB pass-through?

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The cross hatching is much more likely to be an artefact introduced by interference on the analogue signal.

Indeed you would not have this problem on a newer machine ... assuming you can receive Freeview, which is all the newer Panasonics are able to receive.... as this sort of patterning will not be present on digital transmissions.
Okay so it's FEED-through I'm after. But I wasn't recording from an analogue signal, just the Sky + box. And I have some decent scart leads connecting everything, not the cheapo free ones you usually get when you buy new gear. So I'm not sure what you mean by interference on the analogue signal. Could it be coming from the tuner inside the recorder?
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Okay so it's FEED-through I'm after. But I wasn't recording from an analogue signal, just the Sky + box.

OK - Another possible mix-up.
Yes originally a digital signal - but scart is an analogue only system so if something is coming in via scart it is in analogue form.

And I have some decent scart leads connecting everything, not the cheapo free ones you usually get when you buy new gear. So I'm not sure what you mean by interference on the analogue signal. Could it be coming from the tuner inside the recorder?
I was having to guess where the recording originated, by reading between the lines. In this case I guessed wrongly, so ignore that point.

So now we know the problem arises from recording from sky - so it needs to be established where the cross-hatching arises.

If you play commercial discs is there any crosshatching? - If so, then the problem exists between the DVDR and the TV.
If not then it is elsewhere.

When you are set up to record, with sky feeding through the DVDR, can you see the crosshatching under those circumstances? If so , try unplugging the aerial from the TV and see if it disappears.

We can come up with remedies depending on what you report back.
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Re: DVD-R with RGB pass-through?


Thanks for the reply Gavtech.
The RF leads are connected to the DVD recorder not the TV. I've unplugged them, and there is still cross-hatching evident.

Commercial DVDs seem to be okay picture-wise.

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Re: DVD-R with RGB pass-through?

Use a scart lead. Connect to skybox's 'tv out' scart socket to AV2 dvd recorder input. Set skybox to output RGB in services picture menu {save settings). Set dvd recorder to input rgb in its options menu.
Refer to the dvd recorders user manual [downloadable from panasonic] which includes diagrams ect.
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