[Moonfly]

I've been wandering if I should start a dedicated DIY build thread when I start to build my sub. Basically for everyone to share ideas and show sub builds, and have it all in one place here. There are a couple of threads, one by me and one by Graham, and I think we should just merge them and re-name them as a self build DIY thread of some kind. I'm happy to have my thread added so that just leaves graham. It would at least help searchers find it much easier. I know a dedicated forum was discussed and dismissed, but I think the current (and future) threads would be better in one spot with a more relevant and appropriate title.

Second idea is for a forum recommended thread, possibly a sticky. There must be a dozen questions a week asking which is the best sub for x amount of pounds, and within set ranges the answer is usually the same. While it should be noted this is merely the majority forum opinion I think it would be very useful for new comers, and a good point of reference. We could provide the relevant links, and keep it constantly up to date, I remember the Epos ELS being the firm £200 recommendation not to long ago, and it would have to be kept upto date at times like this, but I think it would be very beneficial.

Thoughts?

Oh and mods, if you/we do want to merge the 2 threads to a DIY thread, then feel free to send them here, and re-name this thread as its pretty much a waist of server space otherwise

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[Badger0-0]

How about we re-name the whole forum as "Subwoofer/bass related" or similar and then split it into sub forums of "Subwoofers", "Tactile transducers" and "DIY subs"?

It's a personal thing, so I'm biased, but I'm not interested in building my own, or ass kickers

I just feel they should be kept seperate.

Just a thought

The sticky about price points is a great idea though and between us would be sorted in no time

[Moonfly]

Good old trusty badger . I'm only suggesting a bit of a clean up of the couple of DIY threads (as they have now become) to a single thread, not a sticky, sub forum or a re-name. Popularity will determine if it will float or sink which will kind of decide for us all if its popular enough or not. There is quite a bit of DIY going on at the min, and I keep having to fire round the threads. Putting in one thread seems sensible to me, and will negate the need for me to start another DIY thread when I my drivers land, unless its of no interest that is, Badger

Just a thought.

[Badger0-0]

No, I do agree mate.
There does seem to be some interest and I know what you're saying.

My point is more about creating a "Sub DIY" specific sub-forum.

I was thinking that would suit you and me?

As for this;

How about we re-name the whole forum

Of course, I meant the gods

[Moonfly]

Well, I was just going to start a thread titled, the official DIY subs thread, add links to anything DIY related I could find in the sub section, and then take it from there. I figured I would ask first as I dont want to be frowned at, plus I wanted to float the idea of the AVF recommends thread.

Where are the mods tonight , come on guys gimme your answer

[Badger0-0]

Well, I was just going to start a thread titled, the official DIY subs thread

I'm not disagreeing mate

But why an "official" thread when you could have your own sub-forum?

Wouldn't a seperate sub forum make it even more prominent?

[stevefish69]

I must admit that although i'm mildly interested in an arse shaker that i have no interest in DIY, let alone building a DIY Sub so thumbs up for me to have "Sub" Sub DIY section

[Badger0-0]

Ok, another way of looking at it.

The truth is, I suspect the subwoofer forum appears to newbies, to be the cliqueist of all the forums on the whole site, in all honesty.

My way of thinking is to avoid this.

Thoughts?

[Moonfly]

Well the question was posed about an official sub forum and it didnt seem to go far, so I figured that due to lack of interest, then a simple thread similar to the official owners threads would be at the very least acceptable.

Hmm

[Badger0-0]

You ought to know better than asking questions like these at the weekends

But it's all valid stuff mate

Something to think about, at least, while I'm sat here watching "Ghost"

[Moonfly]

I dont watch tv, and constant weekend working prevents me going out and having a life .

I'll wait and see I guess.

[Pollywoggle]

I'm all for renaming and merging yours and Graham's threads because they are mostly now about diy projects and the titles don't reflect the content, especially Graham's.
I am interested in diy subs and I'm following your projects, I definitely think there should be a sub forum for diy but I guess that argument is lost

[William YZF-R1]

I've often thought this part of the Forum should be called the BK Forum and usually steer well clear.

Perhaps there should be a subforum for less worthy subs that sometimes do not even warrant a reply to questions from learned members, maybe called the "Unworthy" sub forum.

Finally for the prestigious sub owners an "Even Better Than BK" sub forum.

I personally have no problem with a Vibrator or DIY sub forums.

[namuk]

What about a "Tactile Nuke i love only one Brand Forum" and that's the only advice i give , hang on there is that section It may be a bit long though,the Four letters are there, Sonny or something.. but Blinkers are Applied ..

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by Moonfly

I've been wandering if I should start a dedicated DIY build thread when I start to build my sub. Basically for everyone to share ideas and show sub builds, and have it all in one place here.

No. Please keep your own DIY project in your own thread and others can do the same as all projects are as different as people's requirements when buying a "ready made" sub. If there is sufficient interest we will think about transferring them to the Home Cinema DIY section and having a sticky in this forum pointing the way there

[gperkins1973]

I am all for a seperate diy thread as I will be uploading pictures as the build goes on and will probably have questions as I go along. The thing with people in the Uk is that they don't really get involved in diy'ing but I reckon once people see how easy it is then it probably would spark them to get involved them self.

As we all know the Americans are diy freaks and I have been reading the diy forums on Hometheatershack every day because it is so addictive. Some of the creations are just brilliant.

Just goes to show though for alot less money (except mine) you can build something that easily surpasses the PB13 and that ain't no slouch as we all know.

Come on mods give us what we want!

cheers
Graham

[Moonfly]

Originally Posted by Ian J

No. Please keep your own DIY project in your own thread and others can do the same as all projects are as different as people's requirements when buying a "ready made" sub. If there is sufficient interest we will think about transferring them to the Home Cinema DIY section and having a sticky in this forum pointing the way there

With all due respect, I completely disagree. The whole point of DIY is too look at all the options, get and share ideas and see what you can come up with, as well as get any needed help along the way. To have it in one place, even if its a thread, then IMO that would be by far the best option. I should know, Ive done an incredible amount of searching and thread reading looking for all the info.

Anyway, that answers that I suppose, feel free to delete this thread.

[Pollywoggle]

Moonfly, if the mods wont rename your threads why dont you start a new diy sub thread called "My diy sub journey" or something, the trouble with both your threads at the moment is that they are not descriptive.
Yours started off as a question about "Thiele Parameters" and Graham's is "Submersives and other subs". Both these are misleading as to what they are actually about which in fact would be very interesting for people dipping into the sub forum who might not know all about the fantastic world of cabinets, amps and drivers that you two are revealing to the world.

[Nimby]

I am a dedicated builder and DIY nut but very rarely look at HT DIY unless somebody posts a direct link to take me there. It has no relevance (at all) to subwoofer building in my humble opinion. In fact is is often difficult to find the part of a general DIY HT thread which actually discusses the subwoofer involved even if it is a DIY infrasonic WMD.

Clearly marked DIY threads within the sub forum would allow those who have no interest in educating themselves to pass by on the other side.

DIY threads could raise the level of technical understanding of our members. Frequent discussion of the more important Thiele-Small parameters and what mattered in the design of their own commercial subs would help to push the forum away from the endless "which sub?" threads.

Members will gain a better grasp of the importance of size and be able to argue from a firmer standpoint that they really need the latest and greatest humongous forum favourite.

Give a man a subwoofer and he will grin for a day. But give a man an idea, a saw and a pot of glue and he can make others grin for a lifetime.

Just my 25 Øre.

[m4rky_m4rk]

I have a passing interest in the various DIY threads but its not easy to pick out the useul facts and worse if I need to go back over something I have to wade through several long, rambling and chaotic threads. Its a chore.

I also think it would be better to have a DIY sub forum so the useful info can be better laid out for easier access. That way useful resources can have their own thread making them easier to find for the casual browser. eg sofware links, construction tips, theory and info, driver selection, subwoofer types, finishing methods. We could also include IB build information there too.

People perusing the forum do not necessarily have the knowledge, wherwithal or the inclination to make use of the forum searches. I suspect sometimes, or maybe often, people get involved in a new activity merely because they happened upon a few good threads that then sparked further interest. IMHO that process needs to made easier for DIY subs and a separate DIY sub section would do just that.

As I have said elsewhere, the changes to the forum need not just reflect the current posts. The powers that be can instead be more proactive and forward looking. They can make changes that reflect an up coming area of interest and a new direction for the forum. By procatively organising the forum structure we can encourage more particiaption in the newer areas of interest. The mods should be nuturing interest in all things AV even if that means some sub forums are just mere fledglings at the start.

Just my 2 €

[IronGiant]

Originally Posted by William YZF-R1

I've often thought this part of the Forum should be called the BK Forum and usually steer well clear.

Perhaps there should be a subforum for less worthy subs that sometimes do not even warrant a reply to questions from learned members, maybe called the "Unworthy" sub forum.

Finally for the prestigious sub owners an "Even Better Than BK" sub forum.

I personally have no problem with a Vibrator or DIY sub forums.

There's a retort in there somewhere

Please bear in mind that the learned members in here rarely comment on lesser known subs that they have never heard or even heard of, unlike some other forums where people happily pass on a What Hifi recommendation as if they were speaking from personal experience

Dave

[Nimby]

It just goes to show how biased personal perception can be.

I always thought this was the IB forum.

With SVS playing second bass fiddle and BK on cello.

Just think how it will be when most of the forum "worthies" have vast DIY subs and become insufferably smug.

They'll be exchanging new REW graphs and SPL readings as fast as they collect ASBOs.

[Moonfly]

Thanks for the input guys.

OK heres what I suggest then. I will start a thread (with the OK from the mods) with a title along the lines of 'one mans journey into the world of DIY subwoofery'.

My first post would be a quick reflection on why I have grown such an interest in DIY and where this is taking me. I will like to add links (see first post) to the various other sub specific DIY threads Ive found and regard as relevant, and would also like to link mine and Grahams threads to a degree, perhaps picking out particular posts of interest to remove the ones that are not really on topic.

I could put my DIY effort in there as well as that comes together, and once I get REW up and running as I would be able to put all that information in there as well. I think If a produce a dummy then that will be even more relevant to the forum than a successful one to a degree.

I certainly think, that a thread with all this in one place would be extremely beneficial to people like Graham and myself, and perhaps people who havent considered this a viable route. As this is a hobby I love, at this point I dont intend this to be my only sub build either. Of course a man can only build his self so many subs so I would like to get this info out there for anyone who might be potentially interested in this kind of thing.

IMO, the UK sub market seems to be a little behind the US one, and US subs are proving out of reach due to cost of importing. This leaves the only realistic options as, accept your limitation from a budget POV, or a performance POV, or both as is how it really is. The other option is to have a crack yourself, and those in the know will be aware this is how companies like SVS and one of 2 others started out, including MK. Looking at this in my eyes shows it can be done if your enthusiastic enough. I even e-mailed Ken Kreisel with what I intend to build to gain his advance and approval, which I duly got . If savings can be had, or rather performance gains can be had for the same budget, then its got to be worth a shot hasnt it.

I know this isnt for every one, but like M4rkyM4rk with his bass shakers, I'm very interested in this now and would like to have a place I can manifest this interest for the benefit of myself and others. I would even like to include the bass shakers in there as this is something I will experiment with soon enough too and IMO can be just as much part of the sub DIY field. I think the DIY SUBject is a little more involved and specific than is shown in DIY HT, as that usually invovles simply adding a bought sub into a DIY home cinema system.

On another note, I think the forum recommended subs sticky shouldnt be forgotten either, as long as we keep it properly maintained to its fully upto date.

[Moonfly]

Originally Posted by Nimby

It just goes to show how biased personal perception can be.

I always thought this was the IB forum.

With SVS playing second bass fiddle and BK on cello.

Just think how it will be when most of the forum "worthies" have vast DIY subs and become insufferably smug.

They'll be exchanging new REW graphs and SPL readings as fast as they collect ASBOs.

A Supreme Bass Overload

[Nimby]

Originally Posted by Moonfly

A Supreme Bass Overload

In your dreams! It's all highly theoretical so far.

Luckily Graham will be able to live in his enclosure after he is thrown out of the happy home.

What can we see through the round window, children?

[m4rky_m4rk]

Originally Posted by Nimby

In your dreams! It's all highly theoretical so far.

Luckily Graham will be able to live in his enclosure after he is thrown out of the happy home.

What can we see through the round window, children?

When the room becomes the enclosure isn't that an IB

[gperkins1973]

Good job my partner is understanding! Not sure if my neighbour will be anymore.

cheers

Graham

[AngelEyes]

Whilst I think any member can do what they want with regards to writing there own threads (knock yourself out Moonfly ). I am not completely convinced of merits of subsidiary forums at the moment.

I like the idea of the 'neatness' of sub forums for DIY and TT but apart from a few enthusiasts and those for whom DIY is the flavour of the month, I can't see there being all that much traffic to warrant another forum.

Also the point has been made that the average chap interested in subs can learn a lot about subwoofer theory from DIY threads. This is absolutely true but those who are not interested in DIY themselves are never going to perchance drop into the 'DIY Subwoofer' Sub forum, wereas they may be intrigued by a DIY subject within the main Subwoofer forum.

When I wasn't interested in DIY I happily ignored them. Placing them in a sub forum would have made that even easier. However I have been curious enough about one or two to dip in every now and again and years later here I am about to have a crack myself. This probably would never have happened if they were 'out of harms way' in a sub forum.

I think it is very easy to get consumed by our own personal desires but you have to consider that this forum is read by thousands of people, most who don't even register or post. 95% probably have no interest in anything more powerful or room imposing than a £200-£300 12inch cube and probably even less want to DIY.

There are some of us here who desire more and others who are just greedy (I am looking at Mr Nimby ) but I don't think the forum should be shaped by those of us in that category, just because we post more.

I think the easiest thing to do is let Moonfly post his thread with links to projects etc. and just see how it goes. If DIY starts kicking off big time then it probably should have its own sub forum.

Adam

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by AngelEyes

I am not completely convinced of merits of subsidiary forums at the moment.

I hope that you aren't going to be too disappointed as I have managed to persuade Stuart into the merits of having a DIY subsidiary forum so I think that we will try it out and see what happens.

At the very least it will get rid of the bodgers from this forum

[AngelEyes]

Originally Posted by Ian J

I hope that you aren't going to be too disappointed as I have managed to persuade Stuart into the merits of having a DIY subsidiary forum so I think that we will try it out and see what happens.

At the very least it will get rid of the bodgers from this forum

See I told you people like me shouldn't be allowed to have their say on how the forum is run

Will I be locked in there with Moonfly and Graham?! Nooooooooooo

Adam