[denno75uk]

Originally Posted by Radiohead

I use the toggle on the back to get the AF point where I want if I'm shooting something more static. Where something is moving then I'll use the dynamic AF and lock the point I want. After that the camera moves the AF point for me - very clever.

Saw this in action on my mate's D300 at the weekend. Is it implemented better in the D3 as it seemed to struggle a little on his? All he was doing was moving a glass on a table for me to see the AF point move but it kept losing it and defaulting to the table.
Sorry to drift off topic.

As for the Canon announcement, kind of interested but can't get excited as I'm a million miles away from being able to upgrade. Not that I need to either.

[Tobers]

Great scoop Pete - hopefully it will happen as you predict.

And 49 AF points is great by the way.

[RobDickinson]

Originally Posted by py6km

Yeah, sure, but the point is that the crop line will continue, so a 40D replacement will not have a FF sensor, it will have a crop one, eg 50D, 60D etc. The 5D upgrade/replacemet should still be in the same form factor ie 'prosumer' body, but take some features from the 40D such as Live View, sensor cleaning etc. The replacement for the 40D won't be FF.

The crop line will continue???

Sure it will, especialy in the xxxD line, but you dont think it'd be a MAJOR step forward for canon to bring FF sensors down to the xxD line? Itd be a killer move if they can pull if off.

[Radiohead]

If they do that they'd have to allow the use of EF-S lenses.

[Sorj]

• 15.3 Megapixel full frame CMOS sensor
• Weather sealing same as 1Ds Mark III
• Dual Digic III with all-new “CXR” NR system reported to best 3rd party NR software.
• 14 bit A/D conversion
• ISO 12800 (C.F. up to 25600)
• Reported 1 2/3 stop sensitivity improvement
• All-new 29-point TTL CMOS sensor with 12 cross-type for F/2.8 or faster lens
• Micro lens fine adjustment for up to 14 lenses
• 300,000 exposure shutter durability
• 6.0 / 3.0 fps
• 3.0″ LCD 922,000 pixels
• EOS Integrated Cleaning System
• Live View (improved from 450D; latest generation)

Speculation

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Bristol Pete

So, my tip for the dual Nikon June 08 announcement was sound, though one camera one flash, you cant take that away from me considering when I posted it.

I appreciate you posting any info you have Pete, but you're not getting credit from me that easy A few had tiped an early June announcement for 2 bodies, but the announcement came in July

As a Nikonian, I'm looking forward to seeing a nice new FX from Canon. Good competition helps us all.

[py6km]

I thought Canon's 'style' was to announce on Tuesdays or Thursdays - it's not looking good for today.....

Could the announcement actually be about something else rather than a camera (eg an updated 430 EX flash etc) ?

[Just call me Al]

Which next week. This next week or next, next week.

[py6km]

Originally Posted by D2V2D

Which next week. This next week or next, next week.

Well, supposedly this week. But then again....

[tomson]

Originally Posted by py6km

Could the announcement actually be about something else rather than a camera (eg an updated 430 EX flash etc) ?

That's already happened:
http://www.canon.co.uk/press_centre/...ss_release.asp

[py6km]

Ahh, cheers. Although it does say 'available end of July' - wonder whether this could be to coincide with anything. Clutching at straws really!

[jonnypb]

hmmm 2 users who like to say helpful things joined within a day of each other! Not the same person by any chance

[Zone]

Originally Posted by jonnypb

hmmm 2 users who like to say helpful things joined within a day of each other! Not the same person by any chance

Mmm my thoughts exactly, have tidied the thread up a little so can we now keep it neat and above all friendly and respectful and not get personal

[JohnG]

No sign of one then It would certainly be good to see something like this appear from Canon soon. Ideally I'd prefer it if you could somehow tell the camera to revert back to 1.6 crop mode when you wanted to rather than it being full time full frame, but I expect that's not going to be possible.

[richard plumb]

Originally Posted by JohnG

No sign of one then It would certainly be good to see something like this appear from Canon soon. Ideally I'd prefer it if you could somehow tell the camera to revert back to 1.6 crop mode when you wanted to rather than it being full time full frame, but I expect that's not going to be possible.

why do you need to? You can just crop the image.

[JohnG]

Originally Posted by richard plumb

why do you need to? You can just crop the image.

Possible dumb question alert here !!
Would cropping the image produced on a FF camera with my 70-300 zoom give me the same sized image of a bird (for example) taken on my 40D with that same lens ?

[Jitetsu]

Originally Posted by JohnG

Possible dumb question alert here !!
Would cropping the image produced on a FF camera with my 70-300 zoom give me the same sized image of a bird (for example) taken on my 40D with that same lens ?

It depends. Lets say you use a 10 megapixel camera with a 1.6x crop factor. You'll end up with a nice 10 megapixel image of the bird. Now if you use a 10 megapixel full frame and crop.. it may well be a 5 megapixel image of the bird equivalent. However, if you use a 20 megapixel camera then it'll crop down to maybe around 10 megapixels and not be too different (aside from a little depth of field I think).

If a full frame camera has a "crop mode" then all it's really doing is using the middle bit of it's sensor, roughly half of it and so you lose a lot of the megapixels from the normal mode. This is exactly the same as you taking the photo normally and cropping it yourself. Crop cameras aren't doing anything special to give you that 1.6x zoom though, it's just that they have a smaller sensor so they record less of the image projected into the camera giving the illusion of zoom.

At the end of the day if we end up with full frame cameras that shoot in 20+ megapixels then it'll be no issue at all to crop into them and still be left with a 10 megapixel image and that's likely to become the norm in a few years when they just can't squeeze in as many pixels onto a crop sensor as effectively.

[JohnG]

I think I understand ! So it would depend on the pixel count of the FF camera then compared to the pixel count of my 40D ?

[RobDickinson]

Yes.

The D3 works with croped lenses but produces 5mp images.

Its all down to pixel density , and TBH one reason to buy a full frame camera is to have less pixel density...

[Zachary Hunt]

Hi anyone still watching this old one, more fuel for the fire or just another bubble burst?

Today I notice that A J Purdy are having a clearance of 5d’s. They are quoting the reason as “CANON PRE-INCREASE SALE STOCK - LAST FEW ITEMS!” Could this be a sign that next week is on it’s way?
Just a question, I know nothing and talk from my rear!
Zachary

[dg77]

Originally Posted by Radiohead

If they do that they'd have to allow the use of EF-S lenses.

Why would they make a EF-S lens compatible with a full frame sensor when the sole purpose of an EF-S lens is to compensate for the 1.6 crop ? (i.e. 10-22mm is approx. 16-35 on a full frame)
It's one reason why I never bought any EF-S glass when I mostly used my 30D, knowing I would eventially buy a 1d3 and 1ds3 (still waiting on the 1ds) and wouldn't be able to use any EF-S glass.

[Radiohead]

Originally Posted by dg77

Why would they make a EF-S lens compatible with a full frame sensor when the sole purpose of an EF-S lens is to compensate for the 1.6 crop ? (i.e. 10-22mm is approx. 16-35 on a full frame)
It's one reason why I never bought any EF-S glass when I mostly used my 30D, knowing I would eventially buy a 1d3 and 1ds3 (still waiting on the 1ds) and wouldn't be able to use any EF-S glass.

The same reason that Nikon allow the use of DX lenses on the D3 and D700. There's a design reason why can't actually do it in the Canon camp to do with the location of the rear element.

[dg77]

I personally don't see the point in spending big bucks on a 1d3, 1ds3 or 5d (ok the 5d is pretty cheap now but I'm sure the new one will cost more) only to stick a cheap EF-S lens on it, it kind of defeats the purpose of getting the better camera.... might as well just get a 40d.

[Radiohead]

I agree totally. Buy the right lens for the camera you have.

[Sorj]

still no news on a new canon (5d replacement) ?

[Liquid101]

Originally Posted by Sorj

still no news on a new canon (5d replacement) ?

Seems strange doesn't it. Maybe the D700 put a spanner in the works.

[Radiohead]

Surely not - but I have no idea what Canon are up to here. I have to think they're going to launch something special to take this long and let Nikon move in to this extent.

[stevegreen]

They have probably invested all of their R&D money into singing photocopiers

[Sorj]

I think we have to face the facts.. canon is playing a very dangerous game here and could lose out if not already have a lot of customers waiting for the replacement.
I have just looked at some sites and i know photokina is just around the corner. http://www.photographybay.com/2008/0...hotokina-2008/
Lets just hope canon announces something sooner rather than later.

[Bristol Pete]

The latest is alleged Olympic announcement - though near the end of the event and a possible launch come 5/6th Sept or further announcements if no launch.

They do need to consider Nikon D700 converts however as this camera is gathering some momentum at the moment. It could be the camera that many have been waiting for. And with the D3 being as good as it is then it may well be.


Pete.