Right, thats it!

rizingstar · 27-05-2009, 6:41 PM

I'm finally wanting to upgrade from the old 400D

Been looking at the 50D but I've heard it's not much of an upgrade from the 40D?

Gonna have a look at a few more reviews of the 50D, think it's the 15.1 MP & DIGIC 4 processor that is swinging it, is this major from the 40D's capabilitys?

TIA

RobDickinson · 28-05-2009, 1:08 AM

The screen is nice, the extra pixels are mostly useless.

It has some other features in addition also but no biggies.

denno75uk · 28-05-2009, 8:12 AM

As a 30D user, I've been very interested in the XXD models that have replaced it on the off chance any desire to upgrade ever overcomes my poverty-based restraint.

I decided the 40D would be enough. Having a look at the side by side comparison of the 400D, 40D and 50D, the thing that stands out is that the 40D would be a major upgrade in the handling/features over your 400D, but offers no improvement in resolution. The 50D seems to offer very little improvement in features over the 40D, but obv has more pixels. It depends I suppose if your need to upgrade is based on feeling you don't have the resolution you need or whether the camera doesn't operate how you'd like.
Reading the review at dpreview, it seems that one of the selling points of the 50D was meant to be high ISO performance as it offers 6400 and 12800 over the 40D, but they appear so unuseable that there may not be much of a benefit to be enjoyed. In fact, when they compare it to the 40D, at 800, 1600 and 3200, the 40D appears to perform better due to the reduced MP density.
As an 8Mp user who is still pretty happy with the resolution and detail of the pics that produces (at the sizes I use anyway), I doubt I'd truly appreciate the 15Mp of the 50D and over the 40D the only feature it offers that I'd be interested in is the focus micro adjustment. Not worth the £200-£300 extra over the 40D. For me at least.

**senu** · 28-05-2009, 9:08 AM

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Originally Posted by denno75uk

As a 30D user, I've been very interested in the XXD models that have replaced it on the off chance any desire to upgrade ever overcomes my poverty-based restraint.

I decided the 40D would be enough. Having a look at the side by side comparison of the 400D, 40D and 50D, the thing that stands out is that the 40D would be a major upgrade in the handling/features over your 400D, but offers no improvement in resolution. The 50D seems to offer very little improvement in features over the 40D, but obv has more pixels. It depends I suppose if your need to upgrade is based on feeling you don't have the resolution you need or whether the camera doesn't operate how you'd like.
Reading the review at dpreview, it seems that one of the selling points of the 50D was meant to be high ISO performance as it offers 6400 and 12800 over the 40D, but they appear so unuseable that there may not be much of a benefit to be enjoyed. In fact, when they compare it to the 40D, at 800, 1600 and 3200, the 40D appears to perform better due to the reduced MP density.
As an 8Mp user who is still pretty happy with the resolution and detail of the pics that produces (at the sizes I use anyway), I doubt I'd truly appreciate the 15Mp of the 50D and over the 40D the only feature it offers that I'd be interested in is the focus micro adjustment. Not worth the £200-£300 extra over the 40D. For me at least.

I have the 30 and 40D and agree with all you say. the 40D is a nicer camera but I dont realy yearn for the 40 when using the 30D.
That extra 1/2 inch in the LCD is very nice though

. it also clicks rather " more quietly" and seema little faster! but both are quality kit (I would say that though

)
There is more but in practical use they are like optional extras.. IMHO

Also despite a similar layout , the settings are not identical by default

Im not dismissing the capacities of the 50D but really do not lust for it.. at all

Ironically the 40D as become costlier , not cheaper as it was arond the tie of the 450D launch
The 50D is meant to coexist with and not replace it it seems

Incidentally the side by side comparisons would suggest the 400D is better than the 30D and the 450 better the 40D and in truth that would be misleading
And now there is the 500D

!!

What may also be borne in mind is that if you have fast glass you will enjoy them better with th XXD seiries .
Although identical on paper the AF really is much faster and more accurate than with the 400D

HotblackDesiato · 28-05-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by denno75uk

As an 8Mp user who is still pretty happy with the resolution and detail of the pics that produces (at the sizes I use anyway), I doubt I'd truly appreciate the 15Mp of the 50D and over the 40D the only feature it offers that I'd be interested in is the focus micro adjustment. Not worth the £200-£300 extra over the 40D. For me at least.

The 8MP APS-C/21MP full frame pixel density, i think, is near the sweet spot for current lens and sensor technology, though i'm sure that'll change in time.
Having just swapped my 20Ds for a couple of 5DmkIIs i've been underwhelmed by many of the advances, but the microfocus adjust i've found very useful. In an ideal world it shouldn't be needed but my 20Ds were back to Canon nearly every time i added a new lens which was a major PITA, being able to dial the lenses in to both bodies in a few hours was comparatively painless!

Holowlegs · 28-05-2009, 4:28 PM

Hello there

Rizingstar I move from a 400d to a 40d and haven't looked back. Which ever you go for weather the 40d or 50d I don't think you will regret it.

One off the first things is how bright the view finder is

Cheers Holo

**senu** · 29-05-2009, 3:45 AM

Your deleted post mentioned handling
as the main difference
I would suggest you read my post again.. those paper specs dont tell the story at all
In truth it is far more easy to get keepers with the 30D than the 400D., the 40D even more so
The advantages of much faster and more acrate AF and better responsive ness. as well a much bigger buffer ( more fps ect) make if more photgraapher friendly
In fact cleaner higher ISO images, easier access to settings and better build as well
In ideal conditions with the same lens image quality might be similr but that is where the similarity ends
Certainly the 5D ( full frame) is an entirely dffeent class but it is ( dis) proportionately far more expensive and does not suffer budget glass gladly
wold suggst hst even the 40dto 30D is an upgrade, tot te 40D even more so even if paper specs do not sugest so. The 400D and 40D do not have the same sensor
Realy the best thing is to handle them both.. if you were in my neck of the woods Id be glad to let you have a play for a day or so as words dont really do the differences any justice

**senu** · 29-05-2009, 3:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tyefi

The 8MP APS-C/21MP full frame pixel density, i think, is near the sweet spot for current lens and sensor technology, though i'm sure that'll change in time.
Having just swapped my 20Ds for a couple of 5DmkIIs i've been underwhelmed by many of the advances, but the microfocus adjust i've found very useful. In an ideal world it shouldn't be needed but my 20Ds were back to Canon nearly every time i added a new lens which was a major PITA, being able to dial the lenses in to both bodies in a few hours was comparatively painless!

I was wary of what the 10Mp of the 4D wold do over the 30Ds excellent sharp images.. Actually nothing negative, in fact quite the contrary as newer technology made the increased pixel densiy of the 40D not a disadvantage
If anyone wants
I will take an identical image with both cameras with the same lens for comparison

rizingstar · 29-05-2009, 8:56 AM

Thanks for the info

Just checked Jessops & seems they've took the 40D body only off? And when it was on I added to cart to check if it was available for store pickup, and for both North-east stores it said it was not available, is this the start of the discontinuing process?

**senu** · 29-05-2009, 10:35 AM

Seems to be available Here
and
Here
I actually got mine from Amazon and it was with me within 36 hrs of ordering

In fact, now i recall I ordered one for my nephew to replace his 400D only on the 16th of May ( 2 weeks ago) .. delivered the next day in time for his birthday .. and cheaper than Jessops by a decent margin. He also did not need the " kit"
I still question the wisdom of bundling it with the 17- 85. adding £250-300 to its cost which though usable isnt the sharpest knife on the block

At that time Jessop also had none in stock and were encouraging me to get a Nikon D90 or Canon 50D instead

It is stil a current model as the 50D is not quite a repacement
As sch I would not use Jessops as a barometer for availability as they can have erratic level s sometime too much and then nothing
I would imagine they will be in a 500D promoting mood

Im not saying definiely get it, just suggsting you not be pt off by Jessop dindling stock..

Incidentaly more than a few places still have new 30D bodes in stock..

rizingstar · 29-05-2009, 10:50 AM

Just been on the phone and they arn't getting any more in stock because it's being discontinued, it has to be Jessops for me at present due to funds, 12 month pay later etc which I can manage, so it now looks like the 50D but after reading so many reviews I'm a bit put off by the noise issue & if it wasn't for the other half I'd go for the 5D

**senu** · 29-05-2009, 10:54 AM

Shame that, are you sure only Jessops do credit though?

rizingstar · 29-05-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by senu

Shame that, are you sure only Jessops do credit though?

I think they do the better deal on it, compared to Warehouseexpress etc

Martin.D · 29-05-2009, 11:13 AM

I know that the 40D is a discontinued item so you may want to consider the 50D (I have one

)

HotblackDesiato · 29-05-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by senu

I was wary of what the 10Mp of the 4D wold do over the 30Ds excellent sharp images.. Actually nothing negative, in fact quite the contrary as newer technology made the increased pixel densiy of the 40D not a disadvantage

Sure 8 to 10MP is in the same ball park, so i wouldn't doubt the images would look similar. I guess my point was more in concern of 15MP+ on a crop sensor, which i'm not sure brings much "new" to the party, given the resolving power of the optics, and inherent issues with increasing noise.