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03-05-2009, 6:28 AM
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Thanks: Gave 133, Got 116 | Lens help please to cover 100mm-300mm maybe upto 400m
I am after a lens to fill the gap as above.
My current kit:
A700
HVL-F42AM KM 17-35 2.8-4 D Minolta 28-105 3.5-4.5 Minolta 50 1.7 RS
Teleplus 1.4x converter
Giottos tripod and ball head
I have managed to get all my current optics from evilbay in boxed as new condition so quite happy with that but for the life of me I can't get a 100-300/400 I am either outbid in the last second or they have gone for silly money which I am not prepared to pay and I mean way over the going rate.
I was specifically after a Minolta AF 100-400 F4.5-6.7 APO or Minolta AF 100-300 F4.5-5.6 D APO
But considering what the above two are going for and they are hard to come by am now considering one of these 3 Sony AF 70-300 F4.5-5.6 G SSM Sony AF 70-400 F4-5.6 G SSM Sigma 100-300 F4 EX DG IF
Any other I should be looking at?
Main use would be Wildlife/Birds including Safari parks/Zoo's etc
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03-05-2009, 7:31 AM
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Ahoy!
In short, I've had both the SAL 70-300 SSM G and the Sigma 100-300 EX F4 (IF) + 1.4x TC. I would leave the Minolta 100-300 and 100-400 alone. I think you'll need a wider aperture than 5.6 @ 300/400mm if required if you take into account my findings with the SSM G. SAL 70-300 SSM G
You can't use a TC with it. The bokeh is creamy smooth, the zoom/AF is silent and images sharp up to around 200mm. It' really struggles in less than brilliant light conditions and at 300mm is far too soft. Sigma 100-300 F4 EX (IF)
I've sold the 70-300 SSM G and re-bought another copy of the Sigma 100-300 with 1.4x TC.
It can be used with a matching TC thus extending the range. Constant F4. Heavier than SSM G but bokeh not as buttery smooth, but much faster and great in lower light/overcast conditions. Solid build.
Other lenses worth looking out for are the Minolta 300mm F4 APO G HS (about £880.00) and a 1.4x TC. I think there's a copy both on eBay and Dyxum. Also look at the Minolta 200mm f/2.8 APO G HS. Type in Minolta APO on EvilBay, but if you do order from the Cannuk in Japan, take into account import duty/VAT. HS means High Speed and is about 33% faster than the non-HS version.
Personally, I would spend the extra and get the widest aperture you can afford. I found the 70-300 SSM G to restrictive and didn't cut the mustard at 300mm for aviation/sports. As for the new silver SAL 70-400 SSM G offering . . . not used it so can't comment, though if only 100mm longer I think will also struggle to get clean shots of birds in less than perfect light at 300-400mm.
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03-05-2009, 8:10 AM
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If it's in your budget then I would definitely go for the 70-400G, an exceptional lens by all accounts and very highly regarded at www.slrgear.com. http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showp...ct/1223/cat/83
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03-05-2009, 8:55 AM
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Thanks Strobe, I had already read that review and my only concern is the 300-400 performance.
Pirate, how much did you pay for the Sigma and new or used?
I have seen the Sony 70-400G for 1,029 and the cheapest I have found the Sigma 100-300 f4 is £1100 odd
Thanks
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03-05-2009, 9:21 AM
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Ahoy!
I bought my Sigma 100-300mm EX DG + 1.4x TC for £560.00 (US $800.00).
The relation to the Minolta 300/4 APO G HS in terms of price (IMO) would mean now I would opt for the Minolta 300/4 APO G HS unless you need the zoom function of the Sigma. Even with duty/VAT, it'll still likely be cheaper than a new Sigma 100-300 (unless like me you shop on Dyxum)  There are some cracking lenses on offer there and I bid my seller in the nether regions . . . and got a result.
My thought is that unless you're shooting Frigate Birds, Albatross or Pterodactyl's, small feathered friends are hard enough to capture at distance. I think you'd be less than happy with a 'regular' lens of 'average' IQ. Just my take.
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03-05-2009, 11:51 AM
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You got a nice bargain there
Will take a look whats available on Dyxum, do they have a trader rating system ?
Thanks again
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03-05-2009, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JSW Do they have a trader rating system | No.
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03-05-2009, 12:03 PM
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So whats the safest way to pay?
Cheers
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03-05-2009, 12:21 PM
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Thanks: Gave 373, Got 732 | Re: Lens help please to cover 100mm-300mm maybe upto 400m Quote:
Originally Posted by JSW So whats the safest way to pay?
Cheers | PayPal or direct bank transfer. It'll depend on the vendor (same as anywhere really). I did mine via PayPal (sourced from Credit Card).
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04-05-2009, 12:00 AM
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I wouldn't necessarily agree that at 300mm the Sony G is soft. It is not as sharp as at 70-200mm range but tbh not 70-300mm zoom is. My copy is pretty darn sharp at 300mm even wide open, plus is has little or no CA etc
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04-05-2009, 6:59 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkieBen I wouldn't necessarily agree that at 300mm the Sony G is soft. It is not as sharp as at 70-200mm range but tbh not 70-300mm zoom is. My copy is pretty darn sharp at 300mm even wide open, plus is has little or no CA etc | Agree with the CA control (forgot that detail), but my copy wasn't up to scratch at the long end. It's sold and in Finland now, so have moved on.
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