100hz TV's always smear

[Pedro]

I have looked at the vast majority of 100hz TV's on the market during the last few years and find them all to smear on fast moving horizontal movement.<br />I am amazed at comments from those people how have purchased a 100hz TV and state " the picture quality is amazing - the only problem I can see is smearing on fast moving horizontal text "<br />BUT... hold on if you can see smearing on fast moving horizontal text EVERYTHING in the picture is smearing - you only have to look at a football match on 100hz TV's.<br />If there is not a motion/smearing problem why do you think the likes of philips / sony / panasonic / toshiba etc etc put motion modes/ settings on their TV's - BUT they don't work.<br />100hz TV's solve one problem (flicker reduction) but create several more - as explained at great length on this forum.

Questions : -<br />1. Has anyone seen an 100hz TV that does not smear ? The best test (in my view) is can it display very fast horizontal moving text like a 50hz set (ie: - does not smear)<br />2. Is it too expensive to produce a TRUE 50hz / 100hz switchable TV ? - NB: Sonys DRC is not a true 50hz / 100hz switch.<br />3. What would be your PERFECT TV - what facilities<br />would it have ?

Regards <br />Pete.

[Pedro]

I understand the point you are trying to make Norman but consider this : -

<br />1.The computer monitor you are looking at does not flicker and probably has controls to adjust the geometry perfectly - all in for a minimal cost.<br />A TV could have simular adjustments to get the perfect geometry complete with say a menu design<br />with say circles / grids to aid set up.Rather than checking the internet to find out how to gain access into the 'service mode' on your particular make of TV (if available).<br />A test card would be very handy also - are any broadcasters producing a test card anymore ? They<br />were very handy for setting up your TV.<br />2. Is it too much to ask to produce a TV that has the benefits of 50hz and 100hz technology and allows users to make simple geometric adjustments.<br />3. This forum is full of people who are obviously not happy with whats being produced at the moment.<br />4. Good design can cost nothing usually.Bad design costs us all our hard earned money.

Regards<br />Pete.

32" PC monitors are not that cheap <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

I was put off buying a 100hz because of everything I heard about smearing and particularly the problems with Football. In the end I did go for a 100hz set because I was sick of looking and just wanted to buy.

I ended up taking a chance and geting the Tosh 36ZP18 - football is no problem (other than the crap signal ITVSport send out via NTL).

Can't say I've noticed any problems with fast moving text either. Tosh have a Natural setting which mine is on all the time!

Cheers<br />OG

In the past i have had pillips 32inch (100hz)<br />hitachi 36inch (100hz/progresive scan) i now have a sony 36inch (kv36fs70) drc50/drc100. This set walks all over the previous tv`s iv`e had. On dvd the pictures this set kicks out are jaw dropping, the pictures on sky digital and ntl digital are also very very good. I took my time setting it up with the help of THX optimode one setting for night time viewing another setting for daytime. the blacks are black and the whites are white geometry is spot on, no bends a tall and no bleeding of the colours. This tv is going to be hard to beat; for me anyway. Iv`e even started to watch the films now instead of looking for inperfections now how good is that? 10/10 (buy the way watching football on sky digital no problems at all)

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100hz sets can show up the problems in the quality of the source more than a 50hz set.

The football smearing is more down to compression than it is 100hz.

100hz has moved on a long way over the last few years. My previous set (Tosh 32MW7DB) was a 100hz from 1998 and although the picture looked great for studio broadcasts, it could often look over processed for other things. My current set (Tosh 32ZP18P) doesn't suffer the over processing that the older set did.

Anyway, i agree with everything Norm posted.

[Nic Rhodes]

[quote]Originally posted by Norman:<br /><strong>It’s about having to compromise isn’t it?<br /></strong><hr></blockquote>

Horray.

I have found a stunning CRT monitor which has few compromises. It costs £1500 for 24 inch widescreen.

How many of will pay that? How much for a 36 inch version, if it could be made? £10k, £20k?

For the rest of us, all TVs are compromised, you just have to find what you can live with and accept that everyone does not to spend the monet necessary.

I stoped all those problems on my Loewe Vitros by disabling all "correction" options, simple is better <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[zoolap]

How good is the Loewe Aconda? ANy smearing problems? Can you turn off the corrective features that solve this problem?

[Norman]

It’s about having to compromise isn’t it?<br />It is technically possible to build a flawless TV with perfect geometry and picture reproduction, but would you be prepared to pay £10K+ for it – of course not.<br />The manufactures offer the best products that they can at prices that we sell.<br />100Hz technology isn’t perfect and it’s up to individuals to decide if its flaws are acceptable or not.<br />Personally, the 50Hz flicker on a widescreen set larger than 24 inches drives me mad and I cannot ignore it – it ruins my whole viewing experience. Compared to this the occasional 100Hz nasty is easily liveable with, but other people have a completely opposite point of view.<br />New technologies like Plasma and TFT have eliminated some of the CRT foibles but have introduced new ones, so I don’t expect an affordable perfect TV anytime soon.

[delta]

The Toshiba WHO8B range do not have smearing on 100Hz, they're probably among the best pictures you can see on 100Hz sets.

[Shady Deal]

Sometimes it can be in the eye of the beholder,my Tosh RPTV does not smear either.

Regards

no probs with my Loewe Vitros