editing to play on a blu ray player.

brickstar · 02-02-2009, 4:43 PM

sorry if this has been asked before but i have searched and cant find an answer.

i am a newbie with a canon hf100 and a panasonic DMP-BD35 blu-ray player i have edited my clips okay and burnt to dvd to be played on a dvd player with sony vegas 9.

when i try to burn a dvd bluray structured disc to play on my player i get this disc is uncompatible message.

am i right in thinking this can be done? and does anyone know the correct settings i used the following

video format- main concept mpeg 2

video template -dvd pal seperate streams

audio format-sony wave64

audio template-48000hz,16bit stereo,pcm

this is my first camcorder so i am a bit new to this any help would be greatly appreciated,thanks

chrishull3 · 02-02-2009, 5:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brickstar

sorry if this has been asked before but i have searched and cant find an answer.

i am a newbie with a canon hf100 and a panasonic DMP-BD35 blu-ray player i have edited my clips okay and burnt to dvd to be played on a dvd player with sony vegas 9.

when i try to burn a dvd bluray structured disc to play on my player i get this disc is uncompatible message.

am i right in thinking this can be done? and does anyone know the correct settings i used the following

video format- main concept mpeg 2

video template -dvd pal seperate streams

audio format-sony wave64

audio template-48000hz,16bit stereo,pcm

this is my first camcorder so i am a bit new to this any help would be greatly appreciated,thanks

You meen avchd disc i presume,have you checked if your bd player will play avchd discs,when i burn avchd on pinnacle i have to first choose which format
to make movie ie tape, file,dvd,avchd,blu ray.

brickstar · 02-02-2009, 5:44 PM

there seems to be no option to write an avchd disc within vegas,which my blu ray does play.

havent had vegas for long but i was under the impression you could burn a dvd reconized in a bluray player from the time line.it all reports that the disc has been created okay until i put it into the bluray.

when you burn with pinnacle to avchd do you lose any quality?

thanks for your reply

chrishull3 · 02-02-2009, 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brickstar

there seems to be no option to write an avchd disc within vegas,which my blu ray does play.

havent had vegas for long but i was under the impression you could burn a dvd reconized in a bluray player from the time line.it all reports that the disc has been created okay until i put it into the bluray.

when you burn with pinnacle to avchd do you lose any quality?

thanks for your reply

Does vegas not write avchd i dont use it so i dont know,regarding pinnacle or any soffware that will write avchd there is no visible loss in quality,avchd will only allow 35 mins on a 4.7 gb dvd blank disc,i personaly put all my film on 25gb blu ray disc but also some avchd as well.

brickstar · 02-02-2009, 6:04 PM

a blu ray burner is just a bit to dear for me right now but i will get one sometime in the future.
i will have a look at pinnacle and see what it has to offer, i really do like vegas though and was just getting the hang of it so i would like to persevere.

thanks for sharing

Mr Lazy · 02-02-2009, 9:37 PM

You are using the Platinum edition, right? I don't use Vegas but I can tell you those settings don't look right:

Quote:

Originally Posted by brickstar

video format- main concept mpeg 2

Assuming this is refering to video compression type rather than transport stream type, mpeg2 will just get you a SD DVD. Do you get any option like MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 ?

Quote:

video template -dvd pal seperate streams

Ditto

Quote:

audio format-sony wave64

audio template-48000hz,16bit stereo,pcm

That's not right, I would have thought it should say AC-3.

Sorry I can't tell you the correct settings but hopefully a Vegas expert will be along soon...

brickstar · 03-02-2009, 12:39 AM

yes i am using the platinum edition there is an option for MPEG-4,i think.

video format - sony AVC (*.mp4,.m2ts,*.avc) opposed to

Main Concept MPEG-2(.mpg,*m2v,*m2t,*.mpa

these templates seem a bit more realistic.

video teplates-blu-ray 1400x1080-50i,8 mbps video stream

and 1920x1080-24p,25 mbps video stream.

no other options on the audio format and audio template

no AC-3

sorry for waffling just trying to give as much info as possible,would be nice to know if it is at all possible.after looking around i am positive you cant burn AVCHD discs in vegas just edit in AVCHD.always learning.

thanks

alpine101 · 03-02-2009, 11:26 AM

I'm afraid this is a demonstration of the chaotic and amateurish way that Sony, Panasonic and their other cronies have developed AVCHD and Bluray.

The AVCHD format generated by Sony Moviestudio, and their higher level products will not read from a DVD on the Pannys as you've discovered. It's very annoying since the disk is recognised as AVCHD by the player, but it then goes on to say it can't play it. (Anyone know whether they work on a Sony BD player?)

But you can fix this, though the method is a bit involved. There's a full post on this in the link I'll give at the end of this message.
Essentially:
1 You generate the Bluray image using Moviestudio, and just let it create the ISO image file.
2. Then you extract all the files from the ISO image file, using a piece of freeware called VirtualCloneDrive, and put it all in a directory somewhere.
3. Then you follow the post below and patch a file in that image with a freeware patcher.
4. Then you edit the patched file, and one other, to change a single character in each.
5. Then you use another piece of freeware Imgburn, to write your disk using the complete folder as your source.

It works, and I do it with DVD+RWs. The post is here:
AVS Forum - View Single Post - My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences...

PS Another way, if you particularly like the Sony editor, is to let it generate an AVCHD file rather than a disk, then use Corel Videostudio 11.5 or X2 just to burn the disk from the file that Moviestudio has created. You go straight to the 'Share' tab, and it has an AVCHD disk output option. You may need to rename the file from .mpg to .m2ts for VS to see it. AVCHD disks made by the Corel product work on the BD35.

brickstar · 03-02-2009, 1:22 PM

oh my god you are a star

thank you so much just tried the first way and it worked a treat,made me laugh that something had been developed and left for its customers to fine tune,hang on where have i seen that before............

will probably try the other way at some point to but i really do like vegas and am so glad i can stick with it.

thanks again,this is a great forum.

alpine101 · 03-02-2009, 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brickstar

oh my god you are a star

thank you so much just tried the first way and it worked a treat,made me laugh that something had been developed and left for its customers to fine tune,hang on where have i seen that before............

will probably try the other way at some point to but i really do like vegas and am so glad i can stick with it.

thanks again,this is a great forum.

Not me originally, another poster elsewhere developed it all!
Incidentally, I note that some sellers on Amazon have Corel VS11 for sale at £20 or so plus p&p. Once registered this can be freely patched up to version 11.5, which provides AVCHD writing etc.

brickstar · 03-02-2009, 6:19 PM

it may not have been yours but thanks for passing it on and for the heads up on corel vs 11. twenty something quid sounds good.

**senu** · 03-02-2009, 7:53 PM

Nice one

Has anyone tried Nero Visions AVCHD discs for compatibilitiy.. on a Sony BD player? I know for a fact it Works on a PS3

alpine101 · 04-02-2009, 10:00 AM

Having acquired my BD35, I've now tried 3 disk production methods on it, but NeroVision hasn't been one so far. I'm not sure if I have it installed, but I'll have a look.
1. Sony Vegas Moviestudio will not, as said before, produce a disk that can be read as AVCHD by the BD35 without the patching technique. In addition, it only allows for a PCM sound track and doesn't have an option for DD5.1. Quite ridiculous since, if instead of a disk, you choose to produce an AVCHD file with it, you can choose Dolby 5.1. It clearly demonstrates that the burner section of Moviestudio is a tacked on, ill thought out, measure to eliminate the untidiness of having to author the DVD separately. (of course the version of DVD architect that comes with Moviestudio can't even author HD disks....)
2. Corel Videostudio 11.5 or more can author AVCHD disks that play on the BD35, with DD5.1 sound.
3. Cyberlink Powerdirector 7 can author AVCHD disks for the BD35, they also have DD5.1 tracks.

alpine101 · 04-02-2009, 11:37 AM

Tried an AVCHD disk made from the somewhat odd Nerovision 5, and that's OK too. For some reason it didn't add my clips together though, just produced a list on the screen. I remain an un-fan of Nero's stuff...
I also gave up on Adobe Elements having discovered it downmixes camcorder 5.1 sound to stereo

**senu** · 04-02-2009, 3:05 PM

Thanks, you gotta love AVCHD..

Ive always thought the disconnect between the hardware and software was wide . now I know for sure

jwramsay · 24-02-2009, 12:37 PM

Used Sony Vegas Pro 8.0b to produce a "Blu Ray" version of some of my Sony HC-3 HDV footage on a DVD.

I have now upgraded to Pro 8.0c which has more BluRay functionality, so forgive if I include these here.

This plays fine on my Sony S 350 BR player, no times shown though.
Also plays on PS3 but you have to navigate into the STREAMS directory where the .m2ts file exists.

The trick is NOT to render your project but under Tools use the Burn to BluRay option, this gives a few options in the mix:

These are the AVCHD options:
1) 1920x1080 or 1440x1080
2) 50Hz, 60Hz or 24p
3) 15Mbps, 10Mbps or 8Mpbs
4) PCM or DD sound (8.0c adds DD5.1, 8.0b only DD2.0)
5) 96Khz 24 bit PCM !

There are MPEG2 options but it needs a higher bit-rate than AVCHD.

The BluRay that I produced lasts for 51 mins and uses around 3.5G of a standard DVD, I had to use the lowest settings to get it to fit : 1440x1080 50Hz 8Mbps DD2.0 192Kbps

Would be nice to see it being a bit more configurable to use the whole of your DVD-R!

The results are, even though I say so myself, fantastic. You'd be hard pushed to tell the difference between the original footage on the HC-3 being output via HDMI to the screen from this.

Would be nice to have a menu and some chapters but that ain't supported by Vegas Pro 8.0 yet.

alpine101 · 24-02-2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PDP-434HDE

Used Sony Vegas Pro 8.0b to produce a "Blu Ray" version of some of my Sony HC-3 HDV footage on a DVD.

I have now upgraded to Pro 8.0c which has more BluRay functionality, so forgive if I include these here.

This plays fine on my Sony S 350 BR player, no times shown though.
Also plays on PS3 but you have to navigate into the STREAMS directory where the .m2ts file exists.

The trick is NOT to render your project but under Tools use the Burn to BluRay option, this gives a few options in the mix:

These are the AVCHD options:
1) 1920x1080 or 1440x1080
2) 50Hz, 60Hz or 24p
3) 15Mbps, 10Mbps or 8Mpbs
4) PCM or DD sound (8.0c adds DD5.1, 8.0b only DD2.0)
5) 96Khz 24 bit PCM !

There are MPEG2 options but it needs a higher bit-rate than AVCHD.

The BluRay that I produced lasts for 51 mins and uses around 3.5G of a standard DVD, I had to use the lowest settings to get it to fit : 1440x1080 50Hz 8Mbps DD2.0 192Kbps

Would be nice to see it being a bit more configurable to use the whole of your DVD-R!

The results are, even though I say so myself, fantastic. You'd be hard pushed to tell the difference between the original footage on the HC-3 being output via HDMI to the screen from this.

Would be nice to have a menu and some chapters but that ain't supported by Vegas Pro 8.0 yet.

If you're running it at 8Mbps max, then one does rather wonder what the point of 24Mbps AVCHD is! What are you viewing it on?

jwramsay · 24-02-2009, 6:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpine101

If you're running it at 8Mbps max, then one does rather wonder what the point of 24Mbps AVCHD is! What are you viewing it on?

23" Dell monitor 1920x1080
Pioneer 436 XDE
Panasonic 42PX70

Looked good enough to me. It goes higher than 8Mbps, that seems to be the average.

alpine101 · 24-02-2009, 6:59 PM

It would be interesting if you made a short one at the full data rate that red light DVDs can handle, since BD is supposed to peak at 40Mbps or so, and see what difference you can see. I tend to run AVCHD o/p at 15Mbps, simply because it's as fast as my NAS server appears to be able to drive my Popcornhour Media box across 100Mbps ethernet and I haven't bothered to go higher when I make physical disks since that's also the peak rate of my SD1. I suspect there is, as usual, a lot in the numbers game for camcorder makers. Just like 700x telephotos...

It's interesting that as Sky improves their HD transmission H264 codecs, they are pulling down the data rates they use on Sky Movies. Some people claim to notice a deterioration but no one seems to be up in arms about it.

jwramsay · 24-02-2009, 9:13 PM

Doesn't go as high as 40Mbps I'm afraid.

But, will try at THE MAX possible and report back.

chrishull3 · 25-02-2009, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PDP-434HDE

Used Sony Vegas Pro 8.0b to produce a "Blu Ray" version of some of my Sony HC-3 HDV footage on a DVD.

I have now upgraded to Pro 8.0c which has more BluRay functionality, so forgive if I include these here.

This plays fine on my Sony S 350 BR player, no times shown though.
Also plays on PS3 but you have to navigate into the STREAMS directory where the .m2ts file exists.

The trick is NOT to render your project but under Tools use the Burn to BluRay option, this gives a few options in the mix:

These are the AVCHD options:
1) 1920x1080 or 1440x1080
2) 50Hz, 60Hz or 24p
3) 15Mbps, 10Mbps or 8Mpbs
4) PCM or DD sound (8.0c adds DD5.1, 8.0b only DD2.0)
5) 96Khz 24 bit PCM !

There are MPEG2 options but it needs a higher bit-rate than AVCHD.

The BluRay that I produced lasts for 51 mins and uses around 3.5G of a standard DVD, I had to use the lowest settings to get it to fit : 1440x1080 50Hz 8Mbps DD2.0 192Kbps

Would be nice to see it being a bit more configurable to use the whole of your DVD-R!

The results are, even though I say so myself, fantastic. You'd be hard pushed to tell the difference between the original footage on the HC-3 being output via HDMI to the screen from this.

Would be nice to have a menu and some chapters but that ain't supported by Vegas Pro 8.0 yet.

Your results may have looked good but i think you will find the disc you have made is an avchd disc not blu ray as true bd discs need to be made on bd burners with bd-r or bd+r discs,not that avchd discs are poor and i am glad you are plesed with your results.

alpine101 · 25-02-2009, 12:19 PM

Scanning around the web, it seems that 16x, ie about 17Mbps is the max data rate that a red light DVD would be able to accommodate. I use an LG DVD/BD drive to write my AVCHD dvds so I'm probably getting pretty close to the EDGE

DVD+RW Alliance - New dual-layer DVD+R technology developed by Philips in cooperation with MKM increases DVD recordable capacity to 8.5 Gbytes

Sony Hits Sweet 16X With New DVD Burners

Mr Lazy · 25-02-2009, 1:43 PM

Aren't those articles a little old - I thought most DVD burners these days could write at 22x (on DVD+R or DVD-R)?

alpine101 · 25-02-2009, 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Lazy

Aren't those articles a little old - I thought most DVD burners these days could write at 22x (on DVD+R or DVD-R)?

Possibly, it was just a quick scan. My LG BD/DVD GGCH20L is 16x on DVD. I was really looking for somewhere that defined the absolute red light limit but I couldn't find anything. 22x would mean you could generate DVDs even at Canons ott new 24Mbps rate! But you wouldn't get much on the disk...

maquett · 26-02-2009, 4:30 PM

Hi guys - I have read a lot of posts in several forums, but i dont have yet found the reply or solution - and nobody among sellers or hotline assistants seems to be able to give a hint of a solution ...

I have to produce short clips of animations (short video files generated after sequences of 3DSMax renders). In high def 1920x1080. This for my laboratory (academic research). To be played by correspondents elsewhere in the world. No problem until I try to author the final videodisc. I need a plain menu (background with logos, buttons and name for each animation or demo) .
When I play the burnt dvd on my Blu-ray player Panasonic BD30, certified as AVCH complient, i got a ton of problems, from "incompatible disc" to a playable disc with two clips played and mixed or videos limited to 19 seconds ...
Files are encoded properly in MP4 AVC complient with TMPGEnc 4, Menus are made in Corel (played with lot of problems in BD30), or in Vegas, Encore CS4, Nerovision (not played)... Generated structure burnt in Nero, DVD UDF 2.5

Do you know a working way to produce a worldcompliant structure (graphic Menu with links to each clip) which can be burnt on a DVD-R (no need of an expensive blu ray, files are not big) - and played on most Blu-ray stand alone players ?

Needless to say, I have no problem for playing the files on a recent PC, with the appropriate player and a screen of decent resolution, even not HIDef.

jwramsay · 27-02-2009, 6:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maquett

Hi guys - I have read a lot of posts in several forums, but i dont have yet found the reply or solution - and nobody among sellers or hotline assistants seems to be able to give a hint of a solution ...

I have to produce short clips of animations (short video files generated after sequences of 3DSMax renders). In high def 1920x1080. This for my laboratory (academic research). To be played by correspondents elsewhere in the world. No problem until I try to author the final videodisc. I need a plain menu (background with logos, buttons and name for each animation or demo) .
When I play the burnt dvd on my Blu-ray player Panasonic BD30, certified as AVCH complient, i got a ton of problems, from "incompatible disc" to a playable disc with two clips played and mixed or videos limited to 19 seconds ...
Files are encoded properly in MP4 AVC complient with TMPGEnc 4, Menus are made in Corel (played with lot of problems in BD30), or in Vegas, Encore CS4, Nerovision (not played)... Generated structure burnt in Nero, DVD UDF 2.5

Do you know a working way to produce a worldcompliant structure (graphic Menu with links to each clip) which can be burnt on a DVD-R (no need of an expensive blu ray, files are not big) - and played on most Blu-ray stand alone players ?

Needless to say, I have no problem for playing the files on a recent PC, with the appropriate player and a screen of decent resolution, even not HIDef.

Use Sony Vegas Pro 9c to make your AVCHD clips from High Def Camcorder.
These can be imported into Sony DVD Architect 5 which can produce Menus etc and burn to DVDR (size permitting of course).

Got to love the "Fit to Disc" button when I produced a 6.8G file from Vegas.
S/W basically told me to pee off and render file to a smaller size, so definately no DVD SHRINK functionality here!

chrishull3 · 28-02-2009, 8:11 AM

I am a bit confused,after testing my SR-12 against my FX-7 with a test card and various shots that had plenty of detail and playing back on my 1920x1080 tv via separate hdmis the avchd footage clearly showed a little more detail resolution than the hdv material.After capturing to my pc the hdv firwire and avchd usb i made two discs an avchd and a blu ray, this was done on pinnacle 12 ultimate at best quality for both discs, the surprising results showed the avchd clips to still have more resolution with the SR - 12 material but the blu ray disc clearly shows more resolution for the hdv clips.Any one work that out mpg2 and mts ? .

alpine101 · 28-02-2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrishull3

I am a bit confused,after testing my SR-12 against my FX-7 with a test card and various shots that had plenty of detail and playing back on my 1920x1080 tv via separate hdmis the avchd footage clearly showed a little more detail resolution than the hdv material.After capturing to my pc the hdv firwire and avchd usb i made two discs an avchd and a blu ray, this was done on pinnacle 12 ultimate at best quality for both discs, the surprising results showed the avchd clips to still have more resolution with the SR - 12 material but the blu ray disc clearly shows more resolution for the hdv clips.Any one work that out mpg2 and mts ? .

I agree with the 6.46am post on that other forum