Panasonic hdc-sd1 recording in 1080p?

[gesaugen]

I've bought recently Panasonic hdc-sd1 camera. I've set recording quality to the max and recorded a short video. After copying recorded video to PC, I've checked a resolution of the recorded video and it was 1440x1080
I tought that this camera records in 1920x1080!

If it does, please explain to me in detail how to set camera to record in that resolution because as I can see, there are only 3 quality choices, so maybe there's a hidden option or something?

Any info on the subject would be great!

[herbs]

Originally Posted by gesaugen

I've bought recently Panasonic hdc-sd1 camera. I've set recording quality to the max and recorded a short video. After copying recorded video to PC, I've checked a resolution of the recorded video and it was 1440x1080
I tought that this camera records in 1920x1080!

Nope it records at 1440x1080 only.

[senu]

Originally Posted by herbs

Nope it records at 1440x1080 only.

That is true
What do you expect to see in a 1920 by 1080 video as compared with what you currently get though?

[gesaugen]

Originally Posted by senu

What do you expect to see in a 1920 by 1080 video as compared with what you currently get though?

that is unnecessary question cause same goes for difference between 480p and 1080p - on both you will see same thing but someone likes it with more detail even if it is a overkill

anyway, thanks for the confirmation

[senu]

Originally Posted by gesaugen

that is unnecessary question...
....anyway, thanks for the confirmation

I apologise if you feel offended by the question
It was not intended to be "unnecessary" it was infact well intended as your query was short without any further elaboration
Somebody else reading your thread might however find the info handy

As stated, The camcorder does not do it . but if you had a specific reason for needing 1920x 1080 I would have suggested that you can upscale in software from 1440 x1080 as the next option as you already own the camcorder
( I did some upscaling of Canon HG10 footage yesterday just for fun : didn't really see any difference but maybe that was only to be excpected)
or
If you were on the verge of purchasing a camcorder, then I would perhaps advice you to avoid Sony as they currently do not do 1920 X 1080 camcorders yet.
Their camcorders do actually record to sensor as 1920x 1080 but output to HDD or SD card as 1440 x 1080

Originally Posted by gesaugen

.. for difference between 480p and 1080p - on both you will see same thing but someone likes it with more detail even if it is a overkill

480p and 1080p will look sufficiently different on a 60 feet projected screen ( I used one just yesterday morning projecting ( and comparing ) SD DVD, SD DVD "upscaled" and BD
Certainly on a 32 in LCD you wont see much,
The other point is that people now seeking to buy camcorders seem to specify 1080p only, thereby dismissing a large no of perfectly decent camcorders because they are not "Full HD"
and
Software editing for 1080p is lacking somewhat
I have found Playing BluRay movies at 1080p on a 47" LCD to be a sheer delight but 1080i sources ( Sky HD, HDV camcorders Sony and Canon HDV/AVCHD camcorders) have been quite impressive too

[A n d r e w]

Originally Posted by herbs

Nope it records at 1440x1080 only.

There are two issues here as I see it. One is the question about "1080p" in your title. Then there is the slightly different question you ask in the post itself about pixels (1440x1080 vs 1920x1080). Bear in mind that not all 1920x1080 "Full HD" cameras shoot progressive video - in fact, few do at the consumer level.

First, let's consider just the Panasonic AVCHD cameras released after the SD1: the SD5 is 1080i only and doesn't shoot progressive video. Nor did the SD3 and SD7 which were US-only models and also recorded interlaced video only. The SD9 can record 25p progressive video in "Digital Cinema" mode, but the word is that it isn't really worth writing home about.

Other manufacturers? Sony's AVCHD cameras - which are considerably pricier - don't do progressive. Canon's HV30 does, but it's HDV to tape which is 1440x1080 only, that is, HDV has a lower pixel count than AVCHD, but that doesn't make it poorer quality: it's only recently that AVCHD cameras have caught up with HDV in terms of picture quality.

The bottom line is it's swings and roundabouts and I think the broad feeling is that progressive video on consumer camcorders is somewhat premature and overrated by a minority - so don't get hung up on it.

On the bright side the SD1 has larger sensors than its siblings (the SD5 or SD9), so don't feel too hard done by! It's a good camera by all accounts, so enjoy it. It will even give you pretty decent results after compressing the video further and deinterlacing to 720p and uploading to Vimeo: check out this fella's videos on Vimeo, which were made on an SD1.

Andrew.

[herbs]

Originally Posted by Courtaj

There are two issues here as I see it. One is the question about "1080p" in your title. Then there is the slightly different question you ask in the post itself about pixels (1440x1080 vs 1920x1080). Bear in mind that not all 1920x1080 "Full HD" cameras shoot progressive video - in fact, few do at the consumer level.
Andrew.

You quoted the wrong poster, but I agree with what you say.

[senu]

Originally Posted by herbs

You quoted the wrong poster, but I agree with what you say.

No he didnt
480p and 1080p were raised first by the OP himself (post #4) in his reply to me and that was how it first appeared in this thread

FWIW I also had a little look at 12 SD 1 clips I have from testing it and in the different lighting it seems to have given a good account of itself

[redsox_mark]

"herbs" only gave the factual information that the SD1 was 1440 only.

[A n d r e w]

All I meant to draw attention to was the fact that there were two distinct issues involved. Herbs's response addressed resolution, and Senu mentioned the progressive thing I think, but I thought it was worth pointing out clearly the different issues (i.e. implied in the titles of the OPs original post was the mistaken assumption that 1920x1080 resolution = progressive) - not that I am implying that either Herbs's or Senu's responses were misleading! Apologies if I've muddied the waters unintentionally.

[chrishull3]

Originally Posted by senu

I apologise if you feel offended by the question
It was not intended to be "unnecessary" it was infact well intended as your query was short without any further elaboration
Somebody else reading your thread might however find the info handy

As stated, The camcorder does not do it . but if you had a specific reason for needing 1920x 1080 I would have suggested that you can upscale in software from 1440 x1080 as the next option as you already own the camcorder
( I did some upscaling of Canon HG10 footage yesterday just for fun : didn't really see any difference but maybe that was only to be excpected)
or
If you were on the verge of purchasing a camcorder, then I would perhaps advice you to avoid Sony as they currently do not do 1920 X 1080 camcorders yet.
Their camcorders do actually record to sensor as 1920x 1080 but output to HDD or SD card as 1440 x 1080

480p and 1080p will look sufficiently different on a 60 feet projected screen ( I used one just yesterday morning projecting ( and comparing ) SD DVD, SD DVD "upscaled" and BD
Certainly on a 32 in LCD you wont see much,
The other point is that people now seeking to buy camcorders seem to specify 1080p only, thereby dismissing a large no of perfectly decent camcorders because they are not "Full HD"
and
Software editing for 1080p is lacking somewhat
I have found Playing BluRay movies at 1080p on a 47" LCD to be a sheer delight but 1080i sources ( Sky HD, HDV camcorders Sony and Canon HDV/AVCHD camcorders) have been quite impressive too

I have read what you say about sony avchd 1080 before elsewhere but why
does canon fc not say so here,http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...809/Format.htm any way its time for a snooze for me i aint a night lark like some

[senu]

Originally Posted by chrishull3

I have read what you say about sony avchd 1080 before elsewhere but why
does canon fc not say so here,http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...809/Format.htm any way its time for a snooze for me i aint a night lark like some

Chris
Night night

Sony themselves ( and Canon) up to a point caused this problem
JVC too by misleading marketing in the recent past
Sony is a champion of "Full HD " in marketing BD, their Bravia LCD HDTVs but their camcorder shy away from progressive recording ( even though I think its not all that on consumer cams anyway)

I personally have no problem with Sony ( I curently have 4 camcorder which are Sony ) but the distinction as pointed above is that recording 1920 x 1080 is not the same as 1080p
and that capturing with a 1920 x 1080 sensor then outputting to HDD or SD card as 1440 x 1080 are not the same.
As Mark explained in a previous post, in such camcorders, you can only get the 1920 x 1080 if you get a live HDMI feed. Get it off thier HDD it woudl be 1440 x 1080
It would seem that your SR 12 definitely captures and outputs as 1920 x 1080 ( though not progressive) but I wasnt refferng to it in particular and didnt mean to mislead
If that is what you find in use simply say so.. for anyone who want to know
I know for certain that the Canon I used, captured at 1920 x 1080 but ouputted as 1440 x 1080 but the video is great

[redsox_mark]

It may not be the case here, but I think what is causing many people to think they need a "1080p" camcorder is the way HDTVs are positioned. All flatscreen HDTVs are progressive devices; but ones which have less than 1920x1080 resolution, but still support 1080i (downscaled) ("HD ready"), some call 1080i screens (which is confusing in itself).

"Full HD" 1920x1080 screens are called "1080p".

I think many people get one of these, and assume they need a "1080p" camcorder as well. The fact that a 1080i model can have the same full resolution, and that 25p isn't neccessarily better than 50i, doesn't come into it.

[chrishull3]

Originally Posted by senu

Chris
Night night

Sony themselves ( and Canon) up to a point caused this problem
JVC too by misleading marketing in the recent past
Sony is a champion of "Full HD " in marketing BD, their Bravia LCD HDTVs but their camcorder shy away from progressive recording ( even though I think its not all that on consumer cams anyway)

I personally have no problem with Sony ( I curently have 4 camcorder which are Sony ) but the distinction as pointed above is that recording 1920 x 1080 is not the same as 1080p
and that capturing with a 1920 x 1080 sensor then outputting to HDD or SD card as 1440 x 1080 are not the same.
As Mark explained in a previous post, in such camcorders, you can only get the 1920 x 1080 if you get a live HDMI feed. Get it off thier HDD it woudl be 1440 x 1080
It would seem that your SR 12 definitely captures and outputs as 1920 x 1080 ( though not progressive) but I wasnt refferng to it in particular and didnt mean to mislead
If that is what you find in use simply say so.. for anyone who want to know
I know for certain that the Canon I used, captured at 1920 x 1080 but ouputted as 1440 x 1080 but the video is great

I am not arguing but a lot of people are.it does show though dont always believe info.com