[esc4p3]

first post here, have searched forums for answer, but could not find one....

I captured an hour of so of .avi into a 10gb file using Roxio 9 (Panasonic camcorder via Firewire). I then went into Roxio Videowave to edit the clips and it was not possible to open the file, nor was it possible in Windows Movie Maker. If I capture in Mpeg2 then Videowave/WMM can edit files without problem. The actual file format was described by Roxio as DV AVI.

The only bit of information I could pick up from the Internet (but couldn't understand) was that there are type 1 and type 2 .avi file formats and I might need to convert between the two to be able to edit the file, which seems a bit odd.

Can someone please advise where I am going wrong. Roxio 9 is installed on a Win Vista system. Cheers Carl

[esc4p3]

Should also have said the captured .avi files play fine in win Media Player, so they aren't corrupt....

[glesgaguyav]

DV type 2 is the standard codec use by Windows and recognized by most Editors
DV type 1 is a non standard codec and not universal in Editors

You can download this free utility to view the codec properties and if the codec is installed on your system:
http://gspot.headbands.com/

Not famillar with Roxio but you could check your properties settings before you capture, it may be set to DV Type 1

[esc4p3]

Thanks glesgaguyav

The Roxio software describes the AVI capture format as "full-size DV video with optimal quality" - it just seems annoying that one part of the Roxio suite can capture video that another part of the suite (videowave) cannot edit.

I have downloaded Gspot before when I had a differnet issue with .mkv files, but couldn't make much sense of the information it gave me. What codec info am I looking for? I assume that if I can play the .avi file (which I can) I must have the right codec on my PC - i have installed the full version of the K-lite codec pack.

[glesgaguyav]

It does seem a bit akward as you say.
Do you have any settings in your capture program?
If you do, it's also wise to check the audio capture settings these can affect the captured file if it's an audio codec that the program won't recognize

Another alternative is to use a standalone capture program, there's plenty of them available as free downloads and will allow you to capture in different formats, have you tried the inbuilt capture program in Windows Movie Maker ?

The GSpot program gives the file type info in the "container" panel, should tell you whether it's Type1 or Type2 DV

[glesgaguyav]

Another thought

Some video editors default to NTSC 30fps, if your footage is PAL 25fps then the program may refuse to open it, once again check the settings in your video editor.

[senu]

Originally Posted by glesgaguyav

Another alternative is to use a standalone capture program, there's plenty of them available as free downloads and will allow you to capture in different formats,

Such as
THIS

[esc4p3]

Wow, complicated stuff!!

OK, got my head around Gspot, it reports that the avi file is Type 1 AV at 25 fps.

The Roxio capture program says the settings 720x576, 25fps, Stereo, 48khz, 16 bit. (some of which is verified by Gspot) I have had a good old dig around, and basically there are no audio/video settings, it is fixed.

Senu, thanks for the link - had a look at WinDV and it looks just what I need, have just downloaded, am trying it now

The reason I did not use WMM for the capture is that it only offered me a capture of a single avi file or scene's but in wmv format. I was after scene detection and an avi file as I wanted higher quality - it half sounds like I know what I am talking about

[esc4p3]

Meh, boo-hoo. Win-DV works absolutely fine. Captured both type 1 and type 2 .avi files and neither of them will be edited in WMM for Roxio Videowave. I notice that in my system tray i get a 'haali media splitter' icon popping up there - don't remember that being there before.....

[glesgaguyav]

I am not famillar with Roxio, but my only other thought is, are you trying to open the files in the correct manner?
Video editors can use different commands, I.E. open file, import media etc. to open video files.
Some use "open file" as a command to open a saved file.
Does Roxio have any of these commands ?

It seems very strange that it won't recognize DV AVI files

[senu]

Im really not sure why this is occuring
Just for the sake of experimenting, why not download a trial of Sony Vegas movie stusio or Ulead VS and se if they work
Im not that keen on Video wave anyway

[redsox_mark]

I'm sure it has been improved, but my first editing experience was with an early version of Videowave (version 2 I think) which came bundled with my first DV camcorder, circa 2000. I had lots of problems with it; moved to Vegas and have been more or less happy since.

[esc4p3]

Soooooo then......

I downloaded the trial of Sony Vegas and bingo it was able to import my main 10gb type 1 .avi file. I did get a message saying "An audio proxy file is being built – working with some kinds of audio compression schemes can be slow…." Vegas then took a very long time to build these 2 files, 10 minutes plus. Is this normal?

I can now edit the content to my hearts content. Vegas certainly looks a lot more complicated than I was hoping for, but perhaps in the long run that would be good. In fact it looks like I can do almost anything I would desire



Thanks for suggesting vegas - so, does that provide any information as to why WMM and Roxio cannot work with the clips, other than they are pants!

[redsox_mark]

I've not seen that, I guess it has to do with the type 1 file. The difference between type 1 and type 2 as I understand it (and that's not very much) relates to how the audio and video streams are handled. So I suspect Vegas can't process the type 1 directly, and it needs to create this audio proxy for that reason.

[redsox_mark]

You could try capturing directly with Vegas and see what happens; I think then it may be Type 2 and not need the proxy step.

[glesgaguyav]

Originally Posted by redsox_mark

I've not seen that, I guess it has to do with the type 1 file. The difference between type 1 and type 2 as I understand it (and that's not very much) relates to how the audio and video streams are handled. So I suspect Vegas can't process the type 1 directly, and it needs to create this audio proxy for that reason.

Your right, Type 1 files handle the audio in a different non standard way, programs like Ulead Media Studio Pro used it as standard, I believe it rendered the files faster, this was my preffered editing program for many years, until Vista came along and now it won't work,as far as I know Corel/Ulead have dropped the program and won't offer a Vista compatable version, shame

[esc4p3]

So Vegas gives me a way to do what I needed, but will have to spend some money I hadn't planned if I plan to use it after 30 days. I wanted to try and burn the avi to DVD and when I tried I had a message saying I needed some more software to author the DVD. Is this part of the retail package (as I am using a demo) or will I need to buy another 'bit'. I see Sony Vegas movie studio + DVD8 for £39.99, I assume that is it.

Having imported the avi clip to Vegas, I then re-exported an avi with the naive belief it would then edit in WMM/Roxio, it didn't.

Both Roxio and WMM could edit some video I captured from the camcorder in mpeg2, so that is an alternative for me. Is the quality much different, it is only for holiday footage, but I was after decent quality....

It sounds like I have a codec problem perhaps, something Vegas can get over, but the more basic packages cannot.....

[senu]

Sony Vegas Movie Studio +DVD has DVD Architect as a Standalone intergrated program
You could download Uleads MovieFactory trial for burning to DVD .. If not give me a PM , I have a "spare" previous but fully working version you could try

[senu]

Originally Posted by esc4p3

Both Roxio and WMM could edit some video I captured from the camcorder in mpeg2, so that is an alternative for me. Is the quality much different, it is only for holiday footage, but I was after decent quality...

.
You could output your DV AVI to mpeg and compare
However there will be a quality drop , it is the extent that will vary . YMMV and you may not notice it much

It sounds like I have a codec problem perhaps, something Vegas can get over, but the more basic packages cannot.....

It does seem so, I think WMM ( which like Roxio I dont reckon mch with but is all some folk need.. it can be fun to use) and Roxio are using Windows DV codec which is "broken" and Vegas is not

[redsox_mark]

Originally Posted by esc4p3

So Vegas gives me a way to do what I needed, but will have to spend some money I hadn't planned if I plan to use it after 30 days. I wanted to try and burn the avi to DVD and when I tried I had a message saying I needed some more software to author the DVD. Is this part of the retail package (as I am using a demo) or will I need to buy another 'bit'. I see Sony Vegas movie studio + DVD8 for £39.99, I assume that is it.

You won't need to buy another bit; though I know you have to register the MPEG encoder, and that may not work in the trial.

[esc4p3]

OK, so I have done some capturing of DV in Vegas, a doddle. Obviously (well maybe not in the case of my PC) it can edit the .avi video it captured, and still WMM and Roxio cannot.

I loaded the Vegas video into Gspot and it tells me that the codec for video is dvsd and that codec(s) are installed. the audio is PCM audio and no codec required.

I load a roxio captured avi into the Gspot and it tells me the same for the video , but for the audio it does not give me what the codec is, but it does tell me that the codec(s) are installed. Whether that tells you anything or not. As I said earlier, I have the full k-lite codec pack installed in Vista, so I am surprised if I am missing any.

[glesgaguyav]

Originally Posted by esc4p3

I have the full k-lite codec pack installed in Vista, so I am surprised if I am missing any.

The codec pack could be the problem, some editors and I believe that Ulead Video Studio may be one,Roxio may be another,do not like third party codecs, you could try uninstalling the k-lite codecs.

[senu]

Originally Posted by glesgaguyav

The codec pack could be the problem, some editors and I believe that Ulead Video Studio may be one,Roxio may be another,do not like third party codecs, you could try uninstalling the k-lite codecs.

Yep.. worth a go

As an aside
On one of my systems I found that while I could Play AVCHD files from NeroShowtime 4, PowerDVD ultra and WMP (with Core AVC pro) without any problems, installing k-lite stopped this and thereafter nothing could play them
It had to go
And even now I can only get the Audio from AVCHD files with WMP
I have nothing against k-lite but in the matter of codecs, I find that installing some 3rd party codecs can really mess windows codec handling up

[esc4p3]

Righto, tonight or over the weekend K-lite will bite the dust, and I will report back on progress.

Thanks to all who have helped me so far, its much appreciated

[redsox_mark]

Originally Posted by glesgaguyav

The codec pack could be the problem, some editors and I believe that Ulead Video Studio may be one,Roxio may be another,do not like third party codecs, you could try uninstalling the k-lite codecs.

Yes, this makes sense. Vegas as an option (which is set by default) to "ignore 3rd party codecs".

[esc4p3]

Well, do you know what, Vista minus K-Lite = Success

Uninstalled K-lite, reboot, and no messing - editing like a good-un in both WMM and Roxio. Strange how it can be something that in another guise had helped me out playing .mkv files, hey-ho.

Again, thanks very much for your help guys you stuck with me. Great experience for my first posted problem on your site.