[Paul Cooksley]

Hi there

Just getting to grips with Pinnacle Studio 10+ (version 10.6) which came as part of the titanium edition pack...

Just a couple of really basic questions:-

1) Is it normal, once you launch the application, for it to take a little while to load. It gives you a percentage count, but seems to take a little while (maybe 30 seconds or so) ...

2) Once you've imported some video (or in my test case, imported some home video from a dvd disc), played around with it, added a few effects/transitions etc.. when I click on the preview screen (top right) and play it through, it seems really sluggish, especially where effects are present etc..

Once, rendered and on a disc, it looks fine, but just wondered if it is normal to look sluggish when playing it back - my pc is certainly up to spec, so I know it shouldn't be this at all..... I have background rendering on, so thought this rendered it as you go, thereby when you want to preview it, before burning to disc, you could do so without the slowness/jerkiness etc.. or am I barking up the wrong tree???? !!!! As I say, once burned to disc it is all fine...

Any help appreciated

Cheers

Paul

[geomuss]

Originally Posted by Paul Cooksley

Hi there

Just getting to grips with Pinnacle Studio 10+ (version 10.6) which came as part of the titanium edition pack...

Just a couple of really basic questions:-

1) Is it normal, once you launch the application, for it to take a little while to load. It gives you a percentage count, but seems to take a little while (maybe 30 seconds or so) ...

2) Once you've imported some video (or in my test case, imported some home video from a dvd disc), played around with it, added a few effects/transitions etc.. when I click on the preview screen (top right) and play it through, it seems really sluggish, especially where effects are present etc..

Once, rendered and on a disc, it looks fine, but just wondered if it is normal to look sluggish when playing it back - my pc is certainly up to spec, so I know it shouldn't be this at all..... I have background rendering on, so thought this rendered it as you go, thereby when you want to preview it, before burning to disc, you could do so without the slowness/jerkiness etc.. or am I barking up the wrong tree???? !!!! As I say, once burned to disc it is all fine...

Any help appreciated

Cheers

Paul

yeak that sounds all about correct, plays back slowly unless you render the whole video before previewing.

[jaymac]

H i dont have pinnacle but regards the sluggish playbacksame thing happens in adobe premiere unless you render the timeline prior to viewing its not a fault just the programme trying to show what has'nt been processed yet. if you can render as you proceed in the time line that should resolve it

[senu]

What you describe is "normal " but experiment with background rendering turned on and off and avoid previewing in full screen

It should not be sluggish on preview...
It Uses Liquids engine ( in part) and that does very good ( and quick background rendering) such that at the end encoding is very quick

[Paul Cooksley]

Many thanks for this - I'll experiment a bit more!

Sorry - another quick question....

Say you have some footage that you want to, for example, apply the "old film" effect to. Is there any quick way of adding an effect like this to a large section of footage? I can't seem to work it out - at the moment, doing it scene by scene !

Cheers

Paul

[howardtay]

I have been using Pinnacle Studio for about 3 years now, it has always been a bug ridden program, but Studio 10 is probably the least buggy that Pinnacle have ever produced, I would suggest that you download the latest patch which is 10.7 as this has got to be the most stable patch that Pinnacle have ever released.

With the 10.7 patch I don't get any jerkiness in review and it loads up fairly quickly, takes about 10 seconds, I have tried Adobe Premiere Pro 2 but that is difficult to use so I am sticking with Studio 10.

Now to your question, this is how I do it although someone may know an easier way. First insert all the clips that you want to show as Old Film, insert the transitions and sound/music and text etc until you are happy with the finished Old Film effect video, but don't apply that effect yet. Now save it to disk as an AVI then load it into your full movie in progress project and then apply the Old Film FX to your imported clip.

My system
MSI Motherboard with Intel P4 3.4Ghz
2.0Gb DDR2 RAM
2 x 250GB SATA Hard Drives
Nvidia 512Mb Video Card
With 2 x 17" Monitors (one for full screen preview)
Firewire Card

Hope this helps.

[senu]

Originally Posted by Paul Cooksley

...
Say you have some footage that you want to, for example, apply the "old film" effect to. Is there any quick way of adding an effect like this to a large section of footage? I can't seem to work it out - at the moment, doing it scene by scene !
...Paul

I see you are "getting on with Studio then??
Im not sure you can do a global effect to a large chunk of footage. But I seem to recall that if you work in timeline view you can select groups of clips :What you can do with them Im not too sure as of now
I will try it later today and see

At worst there is a workabout.
Once you re happy with the footage,( section/ sections)
Make a duplicate of your project
Project A being the original
Project B the duplicate
Then remove any footage not getting the film look from B, Make movie ( render it to a into a DV AVI. then save it on your HDD.
reopen project A and substitute the newly rendered AVI for the clips , then do your effect.
Cumbersome and there may be another way but its worth trying

PS :The poster above and I were doing simultaneously hence similarities but My suggested work about assumes youve finished the project and then want to use a selected part or parts otherwise the advice is similar

[Paul Cooksley]

Thanks for your reply - I might try that then!!

Just going back to an earlier point, the patch (10.7?), which I guess you obviously get from Pinnacles Website, does this generally make it more stable?

I presume, I am correct in thinking that if I wanted to 'preview' a piece of footage, once effects/titles/music has been added, that I would go to preview window (top right) and play the footage from here? Just checking that there is no where else to preview it, as really want to try and see footage (complete with transisitions etc) before burning to disc without the slowness/jerkiness ..

Thanks

Paul

[senu]

10.7 seems to be a mixed bag.

Some people swear by it others have sworn at it and gone back to 10.5

I have 10.7 and Im OK with it, but Ive not fired up Studio for almost 10 weeks now and before that at Christmas so though I'm comfortable with it Im less "hands on" lately than other current users

And ..yes the way you describe previewing is the right way; You can even preview in full screen mode or on an external monitor

[howardtay]

You can download the 10.7 patch direct from Pinnacle from their support link on their webpage.

The 10.7 patch made my copy more stable so it should do the same for you. the only problem with Studio is that it works differently for everyone no matter what there system is, it's strange software.

I preview using a second monitor in full screen before I send to DVD but if you don't have a second monitor then, yes, preview it top right, but click on the timeline first, if you don't it will preview one of the highlighted clips selected in the top left window. also try the following if you're still getting jerkiness, turn off Hardware rendering and or background rendering in the options menu, this only applies if you do not have a powerfull video card i.e ATI, Nvidia 256Mb or higher.

[Paul Cooksley]

Thanks for all your responses - I am in the middle of downloading the 10.7 patch at the mo, so will see if it makes any difference.

I turned off the background rendering feature, and found that this does now make the preview playback perfect. Weird, as I thought my machine would be able to cope adequately with that running. My machine is Windows XP Media Centre, 3.2ghz dual core Intel processor, 2gb ram, 400gb hdd - not too sure what the graphics card is, how do I find this info - and does it make a difference to playback at all? (It should be a decent one!!!)

Sorry to be a real pain, but could someone kindly explain to me what background rendering does exactly - and how much difference this makes to the actual rendering process when you come to burn to disc....?


Many thanks

[Paul Cooksley]

Hi again

Oh God - I am begining to think I will give up on Video editing software full stop !!! Before I throw it in the bin, can anyone please perhaps help me??!!

Pinnacle Studio 10+ keeps loosing sound completely during previewing clips you've captured or put into the timeline etc... Audio is not there at all ! It's definately not just "muted" or anything (or not that I can see) and one minute audio is there - the next, you can say, add a title or something and I cannot get either the original audio to play or any music that I've added - the standard sound effects don't have any sound either (weirdly smartsound does still work)

I have tried 10.7 patch but still the same....

I know its not my machine....any ideas anyone??

Cheers!

Paul

[senu]

Background rendering :
When you apply an effect , transition ,title over existing video ie( an edit other than simple trim), You see a preview of what youve done . This is in effect the software simulating the effect as no real changes have taken place on the footage

To really achieve the effect, the software has to "make " new video clips to correspond to the change ( bearing in mind that the original video remains on your hard drive unchanged and what you see on the time line are referenced.
In rendering actual new video clips are made. By the time you finish the project, The whole thing has to be rendered to make your output. If the output is a DV AVI. that is all that is done. If it is another format ( mpeg) then encoding is also done. This also applies to audio which may no longer be a wav file.

Background rendering seeks to use the CPU and GPU ( graphics card) to do this rendering ( in the background ) as you go along in order to give you real rendered effects ( not just a preview) and
As such by the time you finish the edit , because the project had been rendered "piece meal" along the way outputting time will be very cut down. ( in theory)
This process happens very efficiently in Liquid Edition 6 and Avid Liquid 7.
It would seems it is not so efficient in Studio and as such it may be better left off if it causes the machine to struggle
Saying that, If you were running Avid Liquid on the same machine, the background rendering would be less of a burden , so it not your kit..it good old Studio

[senu]

Use the timeline view and see what is happening to the audio track : is it getting muted inadvertently or what?
Studio can be well or badly behaved and if you think its an irritation persevere.. a bit
Feel free to PM

[Paul Cooksley]

Hi again

Thanks to everyone on here, who is always very helpful whenever I post anything (!) - so before I go away and stop bothering everyone, just a couple of quick questions concerning creating titles/credits in Pinnacle Studio 10+.

1) Can you make static titles appear to fade in/fade out? If so, how is this done?

2) I've managed to get credits to scroll, but is there anyway you can end a list of scrolling credits by finishing them halfway up the screen instead of scrolling all the way up??

Thanks as usual for your help!!

Paul

[howardtay]

Use the fade transition one at either side of the text box that you want to fade in or out.

I don't know of a way of stopping the scroll half way through, I presume you want to put 'THE END' after scrolling the final message on screen. What I do is allow it to scroll, let the 'THE END scroll up to a half way and then put another text box and carefully position 'THE END' text rembering the font and size of the text, then preview it, see if it fits correctly.

[senu]

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1) Can you make static titles appear to fade in/fade out? If so, how is this done?

I've not tried it but I imagine you apply a fade in effect ( or transition) ( its easier to see how it interacts in timeline view) at beginning and at end of the title.
I guess using Liquid ( and Vegas which make it dead easy to do has spoilt me) but itis possible in Studio

If this isnt possible ( or doesnt work the way you want it to) you may have to apply transparency as a keyframable effect. Ill need to give it a go to see which way works best

2) I've managed to get credits to scroll, but is there anyway you can end a list of scrolling credits by finishing them halfway up the screen instead of scrolling all the way up??

You do have some control over the amount of animation by varying the timing..You have to play around with the amount of time to achieve your desired effect.

PS: I was posting at the same time the above poster was.. Certainly a trial of any of the methods is worth a go

[Paul Cooksley]

Thanks for your help - appreciated !

[Paul Cooksley]

Sorry, probably really stupid question, but in Pinnacle Studio 10+, once you've finished making a dvd or whatever you are putting together, where do you go to delete the original captured footage footage from the camcorder or imported titles from disc??

[senu]

The option to delete "auxilliary files" will delete files render files created prior to output
If you want to delete the captured files you can do so "manually" knowing where you captured them to
Since your capture location is manually configurable ( I never capture to my system drive) it will differ in different set-ups but you may first try looking at "my documents, Pinnacle, Pinnacle Studio and look which files exist there


Mod comment: Im going to put all these posts in one thread for ease of acesss

[Paul Cooksley]

Thanks for your reply.......

I just thought for a change, I would share some information back, which I discovered - it was actually an answer to a question I posed earlier on in this recently merged thread....

Basically I was asking if there was any "quick" way to apply a transistion, say like "old movie" to a huge chunk of adjoining clips - or say to the whole movie. The answers I received kindly gave me some workarounds, but I did discover a much easier way of doing this:

Firstly just cursor over the timeline, click on the first clip, then go up to "edit" and click "select all" - this should highlight the entire video timeline. Then, go to "apply video effects" and choose what effect to apply, apply the effect and it should (or did in my case) apply the same effect to the entire project.

Obviously, this is really only useful if you want to apply the same effect to the entire finished project, but could prove useful if you wanted to say make it black and white or something like that...

[martynsnooks]

Can someone please help sorry for dragging up an old post

I am running pinnacle studio 10 on Vista have downloaded relevant patches and so on up to version 10.8 and it has worked

I edited and completed a project on Monday and had no sound but had the video Pinnacle help told me to delete aux files restart computer then reload project select reencode all and make movie. I did all this and it worked. I then went onto do another went through the same process and have done 3 times now and no sound have went through pinnacle help chat again and they are useless can anyone help as each time I make movie it takes about 2 hours only to find still no sound Im ready to throw it in the bin. Can anyone suggest how to get it to work or am I better just getting something else I have spent hours on this edit and don't want to start again

[rabrose]

Originally Posted by martynsnooks

Can someone please help sorry for dragging up an old post

I am running pinnacle studio 10 on Vista have downloaded relevant patches and so on up to version 10.8 and it has worked

I edited and completed a project on Monday and had no sound but had the video Pinnacle help told me to delete aux files restart computer then reload project select reencode all and make movie. I did all this and it worked. I then went onto do another went through the same process and have done 3 times now and no sound have went through pinnacle help chat again and they are useless can anyone help as each time I make movie it takes about 2 hours only to find still no sound Im ready to throw it in the bin. Can anyone suggest how to get it to work or am I better just getting something else I have spent hours on this edit and don't want to start again

I had a problem with sound playback some time ago with S10. I solved the problem by installing an older sound card driver.

What are your PC specs?

[martynsnooks]

gave up in the end and bought the latest version works fine now

[Hermitage]

Hi there, I also have been having a problem with audio in the edit mode of Studio 10 (It is not the plus version, only the standard 10.5). I currently have a Soundblaster PCI card that works perfectly with all other programs. It even plays back the recorded video in Pinnacle's MediaManager! But when I put the video footage into the edit mode, I cannot get any sound at all! I have tried installing the patches, and upgrades to version 10.8, without any success.

What is really frustrating is that I know it has worked before, as I edited a file about 2 years ago. Since then I have upgraded my video card and replaced my original C drive with a larger one. So whatever settings I originally had, have somehow been lost in the process.

I have tried to ask the Pinnacle help team for advice but they claim they no longer support version 10 anymore!

If anyone can shed some light on how to get the program to play the audio in edit mode I would be very grateful.

I have the following information about my computer -

Intel Dual Core 6300 @ 1.86 GHz
Windows XP (SP3)
2.93 GB DDR RAM
Nvidia GeForce 8600GT graphics card
Creative Audio PCI (ES1371, ES1373) {WDM}