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28-12-2006, 10:07 PM
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As promised some initial findings from the converting of HDV footage from a HC1E and HC3 to HD-DVD.
1. Having converted 50Hz 1440x1080i footage to a 1920x1080i/60Hz MPEG2 file and dumping onto DVD-R, the Toshiba HD-E1 does not recognise the file and displays an error message.
2. Creating a HVDVD_TS folder using Ulead DVD Movie Factory 5 Plus and the 1920x1080i/60Hz MPEG2 file and burning to DVD-R is still not recognised. The player states DVD format is unrecognised.
Very disappointing. I'm going to cehck I've done nothing incorrectly, but it would appear you can't create a mini HD-DVD on a DVD-R, even when using a supported file format.
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28-12-2006, 10:14 PM
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Sony is not having a good year (PS3, BD, AVHCD (no editing support in sight) HDV: Limiting output options..so Far  ...the list goes on
Im almost certain BD will not have a miniBD on DVD equivalent despite 2/3rds of all HDV camcorders coming from Sony
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29-12-2006, 8:10 AM
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must be something you're doing wrong, I've had no problem with 1920x1080 60i material authored to HD-DVD working on a standalone player
have you tried importing the HDV into ULead and letting that convert it?
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29-12-2006, 8:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mmace must be something you're doing wrong, I've had no problem with 1920x1080 60i material authored to HD-DVD working on a standalone player
have you tried importing the HDV into ULead and letting that convert it? |
Where are your files originally from? , And which Player did you use them on?
Also is it possible that specific standalone HD DVD player is being fussy?
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29-12-2006, 9:00 AM
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The files where converted to HD-DVD using Ulead DVD Movie Factory 5 Plus and then played in a UK Spec Toshiba HD-E1. I've tried a DVD-R/RW and a DVD+RW as well.
The files where originally captured from a HC1E camcorder and converted to a .mpg file in Liquid 7.
I'm presently re-testing, using some instructions from the avsforums which were used to do the same thing on a Tosh HD-XA1. I'll report back if I'm successful.
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29-12-2006, 11:13 AM
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I've finally got a mini HD-DVD to work by burning the HVDVD_TS folder to a DVD-R using the UDF 2.5 file format.
However the playback sucks. The footage stutters and there is no sound.
I tried encoding the file at 1440 and 1920 x 1080i/60Hz but the stuttering always occurs and makes the footage unwatchable.
I also tried using LPCM, MP3 and DD 2 Channel for the sound, but nothing is heard.
As expected the HD-E1 did not recognise the 50Hz footage from a mini HD-DVD.
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29-12-2006, 11:52 AM
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Figured out the sound problem. The HD-E1 must have its audio option switched to LPCM even if the soundtrack is DD and the player is connected by optical cable. Strange but it works
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29-12-2006, 12:25 PM
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Great...
Audio now works but does video still stutter? Or was that related to audio?
So.. you created a HVDVD _TS folder onto your HDD and then copied this to a DVD-R using UDF 2.5 file format to create this mini HD DVD as the directly authored mini HD DVD didnt work?
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29-12-2006, 1:37 PM
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Thanks: Gave 1, Got 28 | Re: HD-DVD Update with HC1E & HC3 & Tosh HD-E1 Quote:
Originally Posted by senu Great...
Audio now works but does video still stutter? Or was that related to audio?
So.. you created a HVDVD _TS folder onto your HDD and then copied this to a DVD-R using UDF file format to create this mini HD DVD as the directly authored mini HD DVD didnt work? | The video still stutters badly. It's similar to what is seen on a PC if you have an underpowered graphics card. The bitrate was 20 Mb/s, slightly less than the original M2V file which is 25 Mb/s.
The process is as follows:
1. Capture the raw M2V in your favourite video editing software from the camcorder and make any required edits.
2. Convert the 50Hz footage to a 60Hz (1920 or 1440 x 1080i) MPG file.
3. Using Ulead Movie Factory 5 Plus, import the MPG file and create the HVDVD_TS folder, ensuring the project is set for NTSC 29.97 fps.
4. Take the HVDVD_TS folder and burn to a DVD-R or DVD-RW using Nero, ensuring the DVD is burnt using UDF 2.5 and the xbox compatibility option is selected.
5. Pop the mini HD-DVD into the HD-DVD player and ensure the audio option is selected to LPCM.
Hey presto, stuttering high def footage with sound
I can only presume at this stage the HD-E1 is struggling to play the high bitrate files. It would be useful if someone else with a HD-E1 could verify my findings.
The next step maybe to reduce the bitrate but this detracts from the whole point of using high def footage.
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29-12-2006, 4:48 PM
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DVD+RW's and DVD-RW's are a definate no no. I've tried using a DVD-R instead of rewritable's and the stuttering is greatly reduced but still occurs.
Therefore I'm wondering if the media has a lot to do with the problems I'm encountering.
A couple of people have reported the same problem on avsforum on the US equavalent of the HD-E1.
I only have two kinds of DVD-R but I will experiment with the other brand and see if there is any improvement.
The sound was also better using a DVD-R i.e. if didn't break up and was constant even though the picture stuttered a little.
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03-01-2007, 6:00 PM
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xbox 360 plays wmv-hd files perfectly burned to a dvd-r ..converted footage from my sony hc3 & the results are stunning
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04-01-2007, 7:44 AM
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Originally Posted by britco xbox 360 plays wmv-hd files perfectly burned to a dvd-r ..converted footage from my sony hc3 & the results are stunning | Do you not get the 1:1 bug? It doesn't realise that the pixels are 1.33:1 and displays them as 1:1, so you get black bars at the sides?
What do you use to convert to wmv-hd?
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04-01-2007, 10:57 AM
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After much experimentation I now believe the 25pfs to 29.97fps is causing the jerkiness on the HD-E1, which I guess is not surprising.
I'm therefore going to wait, and hope that Toshiba release a 50Hz firmware update for the HD-E1. However, after speaking to Toshiba yesterday its not clear if the 50Hz fix will be made available until their next generation HD-DVD player.
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04-01-2007, 11:09 PM
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Does this mean HD footage shot on HC3 will not be compatible with HD-DVD or Blu-ray??? How will we edit / show them later. for now they can stay on DV tape, but if they cannot be used later...seems pointless??!!
Or will HD-DVD/BD become more "compatible"?
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Originally Posted by stormjai Does this mean HD footage shot on HC3 will not be compatible with HD-DVD or Blu-ray??? How will we edit / show them later. for now they can stay on DV tape, but if they cannot be used later...seems pointless??!!
Or will HD-DVD/BD become more "compatible"? | For now, it seems that way. As Sony is a force behind both Blu-Ray and HDV I am optimistic that Blu-Ray will support HDV at least eventually.
With HD-DVD, the issue with the current players is lack of 50hz support, hopefully that will change as well.
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