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There is no good video editing application out there

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Old 05-10-2006, 1:35 PM   #1
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There is no good video editing application out there

Tried most of them and they all have there flaws..


Want I want to do is simple really, import a YUY2 AVI video file which has a resolution of 720*480 Anamorphic, clip it, then crop from a resolution of 854*480 "essentially "720*480 Anamorphic" to 838*468, then output it at that cropped resolution of 838*468..., simple really, with windows media encoder it is a breeze, it just cannot clip the video.., with all the other programs they have problems, mainly cropping the vidoe/encoding, most of them will not crop it from "854*480" but from the source resolution "720*480" and then they won't even output it at the cropped resolution...here is a baisc runodown of the programs and their faults

Vegas: Does not support YUY2 AVI files

Premiere: Not easy to use at all, but it's not that, just very poor on input and output resolutions, say if I import a file with a resolution of "720*576 Anamorphic", but set it to have a resolution of 854*480 as that is the full resolution it just won't have it..., very poor in my opinion...,also outputting is very confusing, if outputting at 854*480 and the source is 720*480 Anamorphic it won't stretch the source to the full 16:9 output resolution..., how do you guys use this program, it is utter garbage...

Ulead Media Studio: Out of all the progeams found this the easiest to use, let me do what I wanted, buton the encoding side it is poor, resizes cropped video to output resolution which I don't want, no way to change this.., also the video preview is very poor..

Anyway for me the best apps I have found are the free ones, Dscaler for capturing, Virtual dub for clipping and merging, and Windows Media Encoder for Encoding and cropping, let me tell you this, Windows Media Encoder is an amazing piece of software, used by the pros's for HD Encoding and very powerfull and simple to use when you get the hang of it..., why pay over the odds for useless software when you can get them for free....

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Old 05-10-2006, 3:19 PM   #2
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Re: There is no good video editing application out there

I had a 30 day unrestricted trial version of Canopus Edius Pro3™ ( less Title Motion Pro ™) and though I have no aspirations such as youve stated ,I seem to remember it supports YUY2 AVI files,
It seemed easy enough to use for simple stuff and has a multitude of output formats.

As I said , my needs are far simpler but it may be worth getting a trial of Edius.

Unlike Virtual Dub and WMencoder , the new ver 4 is a heft £399 +vat
DVC are great people to talk to even if you dont purchase from them if it sounds interesting. ( apart from cost!!)

I may be wrong but Im sure there is no harm in finding out
If it proves to have limitations like the others youve tried, all the very capable free software still remain at your disposal

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Old 05-10-2006, 3:32 PM   #3
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Re: There is no good video editing application out there

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I had a 30 day unrestricted trial version of Canopus Edius Pro3™ ( less Title Motion Pro ™) and though I have no aspirations such as youve stated ,I seem to remember it supports YUV AVI,
It seemed easy enough to use for simple stuff and has a multitude of output formats.

As I said , my needs are far simpler but it may be worth getting a trial of Edius.

Unlike Virtual Dub and WMencoder , the new ver 4 is a heft £399 +vat
DVC are great people to talk to even if you dont purchase from them if it sounds interesting. ( apart from cost!!)

I may be wrong but Im sure there is no harm in finding out
If it proves to have limitations like the others youve tried, all the very capable free software still remain at your disposal

Thanks I will request a 30 day demo of Edius, but for that price you could get a Decklink HD Card.., anything else you cna think of that will allow me ot do what I want?, don't see why the others don't as it is just simple stuff...
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Old 05-10-2006, 4:05 PM   #4
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DVC are great people to talk to even if you dont purchase from them if it sounds interesting.

I tired contactign DVC via there contact form but it des not work, jsut get an error, do you have an email address to contact them?
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Old 05-10-2006, 5:39 PM   #5
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I tired contactign DVC via there contact form but it des not work, jsut get an error, do you have an email address to contact them?


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Re: There is no good video editing application out there

I've not worked with YUY2 AVI files - but in general for AVI Vegas will handle anything as long as you have the codec installed.
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Re: There is no good video editing application out there

First I must correct you. There are plenty good video editing applications out there as many people will tell you.

What you really mean is that you have a very specific need which you're having trouble meeting. I might add that probably most people on this forum will never have this need. You say it's quite simple, and perhaps it's just me, but I bet a lot of people will read it and be lost long before they've reached end of the paragraph!

Can I ask why you haven't persued the thread you started on the Sony Vegas forum? The 2 replies you got, along with redsox_mark in this thread, would indicate that with the right codec on your PC this should be possible within Vegas.

I've done a very quick search and found this which may help:-

How do I play back AVIs with YUY2 video?

Problem: Software like VirtualDub says 'cannot find codec', property dialog says 'Unknown compression' (however premiere and the media player don't complain and load/play without problems)

Solution: Install Indeo 4.1 codec and add
vidc.YUY2=ir41_32.ax
under the '[Drivers32]' section in C:\windows\system.ini.


I know it mentions VirtualDub, but the fact you say you can load it in Premier but not Vegas might be down to the same reason.

Sorry for the moan at the start.

Hope this helps.
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Re: There is no good video editing application out there

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Solution: Install Indeo 4.1 codec and add
vidc.YUY2=ir41_32.ax
under the '[Drivers32]' section in C:\windows\system.ini.



Hope this helps.
Should not have to do it in the first place.., Already reformmatted ahrd drive as had to many video app demos installe,d made my systme clunky, don't want to install more demo's.., i will leave it for now... , but will just leave it at this, if microsoft made a new version of Movie Maker with the power of Windows Media Encoder then they would put a dent into the video editing market as they will be giving it away for free.. but I'd pay for it if they ever develop it, don't mind $100-$200 as it will do just what I want, the ability to clip & merge video as well as having the ability to crop and output at any resolution, total control..., why is it so hard to find s program to do that, guess I will stick to Virtual Dub for clipping and Merging, will just be a lengthy process, clipping avi's then resaving them and reopening them for merging..
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