[kr236rk]

hi,

what is the basic i need to take HD video and burn it to disc, so that i can watch my video footage in HD please?

would be looking for a budget HD cam between £150-£300.

have an "HD Ready" flatscreen tv [Sony Bravia]

would HD-DV play on my pc (Vista Home 32 bit)?

do i need a new dvd player attached to the tv, or will the old one recognise HD (discs)?

do we need new dv discs for HD - or will the standard dvd's record in high definition please?

problem is, i don't want to buy an HD cam and end up with 'standard' dv results :-o

many thanks

[kr236rk]

ps. hopefully a cam with manual settings!

[Jonny1973]

Your computer might be able to play HD content if it is powerful enough and if the graphics card is up to it.

A DVD does have enough space to store a short HD video but DVD players cannot play Hi-Def content, you need a BluRay player, PS3 or a PC to play it.

Really you need a Full HD Camcorder, a reasonably new computer with a Blu-Ray writer, a Blu-ray player, blank Blu-Ray-R disks and a Full HD TV to get the results you are after.

[Chris23]

I have been going through this & the answer is ££££££££££ & lots of them.

I am considering recording HD & storing backups as HD even if I have to burn & watch SD until blue ray burners & disks become a sensible price. I will then burn my back HD catalogue to HD blu ray.

[kr236rk]

Thanks Chris and Jonny,

am looking at

1) Panasonic BD60EB Blu-ray Disc Player

Panasonic BD60EB Blu-ray Disc Player: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo

2) Panasonic HDC-SD10 High Definition Flash Memory Camcorder

Panasonic HDC-SD10 High Definition Flash Memory: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo


already have have Sony Bravia ‘HD Ready’ TV

need HD/BlueRay burner – internal/external writer then?

my Vista dual core - Roxio Creator 2009 software - can handle HD / AVCHD format which the Panasonic BD60EB uses

if this kit is compatible that should do it?

thanks again

[Jonny1973]

I'm not sure if a Dual Core processor is up to it, then theres the hard disk space and memory to consider. HD Video is expensive.

I had a Pentium 4 3Ghz which had two cores but could not even play the 1080i clips from my SD10 camcorder. A 20 minute 720p video (from my TZ7) took 5 hours to render in Sony Vegas.

I've just upgraded to a Dell Studio XPS i7 920 6Gb RAM 1TB HDD with BluRay writer. Cost £1,0050. That doesn't include a monitor, I already have a 24" monitor.

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by Jonny1973

I'm not sure if a Dual Core processor is up to it, then theres the hard disk space and memory to consider. HD Video is expensive.

I had a Pentium 4 3Ghz which had two cores but could not even play the 1080i clips from my SD10 camcorder. A 20 minute 720p video (from my TZ7) took 5 hours to render in Sony Vegas.

I've just upgraded to a Dell Studio XPS i7 6Gb RAM with BluRay writer. Cost £1,0050.

ouch

well, if i film with the Panasonic cam i can plug that into the Bravia and at least watch my video in HD?

[Jonny1973]

or stick the SD-HC card in a PS3, that's what I did.

I haven't tried connecting to a TV with a cable, I don't think they supply a HD cable with the camcorder.

[senu]

Originally Posted by kr236rk

ouch

well, if i film with the Panasonic cam i can plug that into the Bravia and at least watch my video in HD?

Yes
You can actually use This too ,
YouTube - WDTV DemoVideo
just put your Video clips on any USB device and you can do away with discs
for £70 you could do worse
I have one , along with 2 Blu ray players and can make AVCHD discs ( HD content on DVD media) as I have 2 or 3 decentt quad core PCs but this device is very clever

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by senu

Yes
You can actually use This too ,
YouTube - WDTV DemoVideo
just put your Video clips on any USB device and you can do away with discs
for £70 you could do worse
I have one , along with 2 Blu ray players and can make AVCHD discs ( HD content on DVD media) as I have 2 or 3 decentt quad core PCs but this device is very clever

thanks - looks cool what would be the advantage on using the WDTV over plugging the HD cam straight into the Bravia please?

[senu]

Originally Posted by kr236rk

thanks - looks cool what would be the advantage on using the WDTV over plugging the HD cam straight into the Bravia please?

The advantage is that you can store your footage onto any usb media ( including HDDs) and then free the camcorder to keep on recording
Certainly if you dont intend to reuse the cards and will always have the camcorder with you for playback there is less advantage but imagine that you can store far more footage on even a modest 250Gb HDD, compared to the card, a DVD or even BD-ROm
Also you cannot playback any footage which has been edited n a PC from the camcorder , whereas you can from this
If you had a PS3 it would be less handy but I dont. Also from time to time I test various camcorders for trial use and store thier footage on HDDs
With this , I can play them back without the camcorder ( which may have been returned anyway)

[kr236rk]

thanks - looks good - have bookmarked one of these at Amazon. 'High Definition' is such a maze to someone new coming into it, i think i better proceed in easy stages

[Chris23]

Senu

You recommended one of these media players to me on another thread & I agree they look a good idea but as usual I have a question.

If I copy a SD card to a backup hard drive & then having done nothing else play it back through this WD Media Player will the picture quality be the same as if I had played back the SD card directly through the camera that recorded it?

As you seem to use the media player professionally I am guessing that it will.

Chris

[I_K]

I purchased the Canon HF200 and had the same dilema...how do I edit and watch the movies on the HDTV.

I have two options, I can either plug my laptop to the TV and play the downloaded files or I can use Nero to create an AVCHD disc which then I can copy the folder structure onto an SDHC card and watch using the camcorder.

You don't need to spend huge amount of money to be able to play the files. I have a basic Dell Studio laptop with dual core processor and builtin in graphics card and it plays the mts files no problems.

Just make sure it's one of the newer dual core processors and a graphics card which is capable of playing HD video and you will be fine.

Hope this helps

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by I_K

I purchased the Canon HF200 and had the same dilema...how do I edit and watch the movies on the HDTV.

I have two options, I can either plug my laptop to the TV and play the downloaded files or I can use Nero to create an AVCHD disc which then I can copy the folder structure onto an SDHC card and watch using the camcorder.

You don't need to spend huge amount of money to be able to play the files. I have a basic Dell Studio laptop with dual core processor and builtin in graphics card and it plays the mts files no problems.

Just make sure it's one of the newer dual core processors and a graphics card which is capable of playing HD video and you will be fine.

Hope this helps

can anyone please tell me what the minimum system requirements for editing HD are? i have a newish ATI graphics card and a 2 core AMD64 processor + edit software which can handle AVCHD

[I_K]

Editing and playing are two different things

Newer hardware for me means less than 2 years old...from your specs you should be o.k playing the files. (what is the graphics card model, cpu model and how much memory do you have in your system?)

Editing largely depends on what you intend to do and with which application. Some apps will be better than others.

What are you intending to do and with which app? I am currently using Canopus editing package and my machine is about 2 years old with and older dual core Intel processor clocked at 2.51Ghz and it is strugling slightly but I can still edit and output back to AVCHD to watch from my camcorder without too much trouble i.e no crashing or system hanging etc.

[rogs]

Originally Posted by Chris23

If I copy a SD card to a backup hard drive & then having done nothing else play it back through this WD Media Player will the picture quality be the same as if I had played back the SD card directly through the camera that recorded it?

Realise the question is for Senu, but I can confirm that the quality of replay from the WD TV player is superb -- as good as playing back from the camera.

You can even take the SD card straight from the camera, fit it into a USB card reader, and plug that straight into the WD player -even easier!

There's even a new version of the WD player, the 'Live' version, which you can stream too, via a network!

With media players capable of playing most formats -- from virtually any USB device -- I can't see Blu-ray being that successful for the home video market - unless it gets a lot cheaper!

For films, yes of course, but for 'home made' video, I reckon the future is with media players. More options, more flexible, superb quality.

Just my 2 cents!

[Chris23]

Yes media players sound great & to think that I had never even heard of them until Senu mentioned them on another thread a few days ago.

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by I_K

Editing and playing are two different things

Newer hardware for me means less than 2 years old...from your specs you should be o.k playing the files. (what is the graphics card model, cpu model and how much memory do you have in your system?)

Editing largely depends on what you intend to do and with which application. Some apps will be better than others.

What are you intending to do and with which app? I am currently using Canopus editing package and my machine is about 2 years old with and older dual core Intel processor clocked at 2.51Ghz and it is strugling slightly but I can still edit and output back to AVCHD to watch from my camcorder without too much trouble i.e no crashing or system hanging etc.

many thanks I_K - will get back to you shortly on this one

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by I_K

Editing and playing are two different things

Newer hardware for me means less than 2 years old...from your specs you should be o.k playing the files. (what is the graphics card model, cpu model and how much memory do you have in your system?)

Editing largely depends on what you intend to do and with which application. Some apps will be better than others.

What are you intending to do and with which app? I am currently using Canopus editing package and my machine is about 2 years old with and older dual core Intel processor clocked at 2.51Ghz and it is strugling slightly but I can still edit and output back to AVCHD to watch from my camcorder without too much trouble i.e no crashing or system hanging etc.

Hi I_K

done a bit of homework - these are the specs:~

Dell Inspiron 531
CPU: AMD Athlon 64x2, 5600+, 2.81GHz / AMD K8
Ram: 2GB
Vista: 32bit
Graphics Card: Radeon HD 4650 / ATI Catalyst / 1GB Memory, Blu-ray functionality + HDMI, HDTV, xvYCC

would be using Roxio Creator 2009 software, which can handle AVCHD, to edit footage and burn to disc - when i have footage on disc i play around with it in a video mixer and/or other technical experiments - as i say, what i do is very 'off the cuff' but i do need the basics, in other words, getting the dv material on a disc in the highest/best resolution available to me which is currently HD / Blu-ray

only work with short bursts of dv - 4 minutes maximum - so the processor is not going to have to grind its way through hours of HD for example

how is it looking so far please?

thanks

[lostboybinns]

will my 360 play the file in HD over my network?

[kr236rk]

huh?

[I_K]

Well for playing the HD files, you should be o.k...decent graphics card but for editing you may not have enough horsepower.

I would suggest installing a copy of Roxio (trial version if u have not purchased it yet) and get some sample MTS files to see how it performs.

Certainly better CPU and more RAM would help.

My system is probably less pwerful than yours but I am using Canopus software which is very easy on the hardware.

Originally Posted by kr236rk

Hi I_K

done a bit of homework - these are the specs:~

Dell Inspiron 531
CPU: AMD Athlon 64x2, 5600+, 2.81GHz / AMD K8
Ram: 2GB
Vista: 32bit
Graphics Card: Radeon HD 4650 / ATI Catalyst / 1GB Memory, Blu-ray functionality + HDMI, HDTV, xvYCC

would be using Roxio Creator 2009 software, which can handle AVCHD, to edit footage and burn to disc - when i have footage on disc i play around with it in a video mixer and/or other technical experiments - as i say, what i do is very 'off the cuff' but i do need the basics, in other words, getting the dv material on a disc in the highest/best resolution available to me which is currently HD / Blu-ray

only work with short bursts of dv - 4 minutes maximum - so the processor is not going to have to grind its way through hours of HD for example

how is it looking so far please?

thanks

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by I_K

Well for playing the HD files, you should be o.k...decent graphics card but for editing you may not have enough horsepower.

I would suggest installing a copy of Roxio (trial version if u have not purchased it yet) and get some sample MTS files to see how it performs.

Certainly better CPU and more RAM would help.

My system is probably less pwerful than yours but I am using Canopus software which is very easy on the hardware.

thanks: i can up the RAM and am running Roxio Creator 2009; the 5600+ CPU is one notch below the 6000+ top-of-the-shop mark for this pc, so think i may start experimenting with HD after upgrading memory. my dv projects are pretty brief, perhaps i will just squeeze by?

[senu]

Originally Posted by lostboybinns

will my 360 play the file in HD over my network?

Not unless it is WMV-HD
The PS3 will play pretty much anything

[chrishull3]

Originally Posted by rogs

Realise the question is for Senu, but I can confirm that the quality of replay from the WD TV player is superb -- as good as playing back from the camera.

You can even take the SD card straight from the camera, fit it into a USB card reader, and plug that straight into the WD player -even easier!

There's even a new version of the WD player, the 'Live' version, which you can stream too, via a network!

With media players capable of playing most formats -- from virtually any USB device -- I can't see Blu-ray being that successful for the home video market - unless it gets a lot cheaper!

For films, yes of course, but for 'home made' video, I reckon the future is with media players. More options, more flexible, superb quality.

Just my 2 cents!

Come on Rogs BLU RAY is not expensive now ,good blankdiscs £3/4, BD burners £160 or less, every film can be edited and menued. BD players a must now adays to watch commercial film IMO compared to dvd and players A/V/C

[senu]

Originally Posted by chrishull3

Come on Rogs BLU RAY is not expensive now ,good blankdiscs £3/4, BD burners £160 or less, every film can be edited and menued. BD players a must now adays to watch commercial film IMO compared to dvd and players A/V/C

With respect Chris, Not many people have noticed , and not many shops stock BR media as they do CD or DVD. Also I can count the no of BD burners in one hand
This coupled with the amount of grunt needed to create BD discs mean that it will remain a bit niche , for now

Even for playback Although I now see Blu ray players for £100+ and yet I know only 1 or 2 people who actually own one despite the very active BD forums here, Some have PS3s but BD was never the primary purpose of buying it and eventhan they merely rent BD from Blockbusters ( I guess I must have boring friends.. )

After the Hi def war fiasco BD takeup is dissapointingly slow and
Each year Sony and Panasonic are selling thier decent player bundles with BD discs ( I just got the BD360 with 4 BDs for £ 149) to encourage interest
Panasonic settop BD recorders are great innovations but are a little pricey , and even Sky HD fans who want to record Hi def will be dissapointed that they wont be able to ( ordinarily) limiting you to Freesat HD

In short, for now only home HD footage will easily get to BD blanks, how much that can sustain the market and interest remains to be seen

If the likes of WDTV remain low cost and can play off any usb device they will sell in big nos and seriously dilute home made BD creation especially as they can also play all sort of file formats including downloads

Also dont forget that even PS3 which is a bona fide BD player is used a lot to stream Hi def video files

Last month I would have got an LG BD burner but I wanted to make it an external drive and external e-sata cases are scarce,.Im still waiting for the shop to call me..
Im yet to join the ranks of BD burner owners!

[rogs]

Originally Posted by chrishull3

Come on Rogs BLU RAY is not expensive now ,good blankdiscs £3/4, BD burners £160 or less, every film can be edited and menued.

Chris -- for that money, I can buy a WD player, and a 1TB external hard drive to store my DVD ISOs, home video edits, xvid downloads (in HD) etc - and play them all through my HDTV at full quality -without having to do the disc thing all over again!

Of course some people are into upgrading their disc collections, and like to create menus, etc, for their own stuff.
It's just not for me, and Senu has really summed it up.
If enough people share my way of thinking, Blu-ray is not going to become the mainstream that DVD has been up until now.

And as for using Blu-ray, with a 25GB storage capacity, for data archiving for example?

After the number of burnt DVDs that have gone bad on me over the last few years (except for DVD RAM, which has been perfect!) I don't think I'll be trusting discs for long term archiving.

We all have different views and preferences of course, but after the delay that the High Def disc war caused, and the rise in the acceptance of media players, I think Blu-ray has probably missed the boat as the next 'mainstream' format.


We shall see.......

[Oasticles]

Originally Posted by senu

The advantage is that you can store your footage onto any usb media ( including HDDs) and then free the camcorder to keep on recording
Certainly if you dont intend to reuse the cards and will always have the camcorder with you for playback there is less advantage but imagine that you can store far more footage on even a modest 250Gb HDD, compared to the card, a DVD or even BD-ROm
Also you cannot playback any footage which has been edited n a PC from the camcorder , whereas you can from this
If you had a PS3 it would be less handy but I dont. Also from time to time I test various camcorders for trial use and store thier footage on HDDs
With this , I can play them back without the camcorder ( which may have been returned anyway)

Senu

About to go and get an SD200. I have a PS3 so am I correct in thinking I can take the footage off the SD card and put onto an external HDD. Then all I need to do is plug the HDD into the USB port on the PS3 and use the PS3 to play the file? Would I need to change the format of the file or anything (will be using a Mac to take off the footage). I don't really want to do loads of editing, just after a simple back up and play method.

Cheers

Dave

[senu]

Originally Posted by Oasticles

Senu

About to go and get an SD200. I have a PS3 so am I correct in thinking I can take the footage off the SD card and put onto an external HDD. Then all I need to do is plug the HDD into the USB port on the PS3 and use the PS3 to play the file? Would I need to change the format of the file or anything (will be using a Mac to take off the footage). I don't really want to do loads of editing, just after a simple back up and play method.

Cheers

Dave

You are correct in your line of thinking.
what Im less sure of now is whether the PS3 likes NTFS file system via USB although you can certainly stream to it from a PC if you know how
Vista and Win7 have media extension built inad the likes of VLC are free software media streamers