[toxic mango]

i have transferred footage recorded on the tm350. i used the avchd setting. however when i play it through ps3 it outputs in 1080i as opposed to 1080p. Do you know how i can record in true 1080p mode.

Thanks in advance

[chewoot]

Hi there, did you have it set in digital cinema mode. Thats the only way the panny will recorded 1080p.

[toxic mango]

hi there. thanks for the reply. how do i set it in digital cinema mode or how do i know it is in this mode. Also are there any disadvnatge of it being in this mode. thanks

[lawtq]

Originally Posted by chewoot

Hi there, did you have it set in digital cinema mode. Thats the only way the panny will recorded 1080p.

Tried this setting, still records in 1080i, any other, what am I doing wrong?

[alpine101]

No consumer camcorders actually record progressive frames to their media, they record progressive frames imbedded in an interlaced stream when set to do so.
Here's a relevant thread:
Re: 1080 24p and 1080i 24p ... one more time please? : Panasonic HVX - HPX (P2)

[lawtq]

Ahh, thanks for that info!

[Martin68]

why 24p?is this world wide or just for the ntsc 60i standard, with which i would have thought 30p would be the norm for progressive.

what do 50i pal camcorders use for progressive? is it also 24p or 25p?

and more to the point, what dose the 50i pal version of the Panasonic TM300 use in progressive mode?

[alpine101]

Originally Posted by Martin68

why 24p?is this world wide or just for the ntsc 60i standard, with which i would have thought 30p would be the norm for progressive.

what do 50i pal camcorders use for progressive? is it also 24p or 25p?

and more to the point, what dose the 50i pal version of the Panasonic TM300 use in progressive mode?

24p because film runs at 24 frames per second. Americans and Japanese are terribly keen on it because it eliminates the 3:2 pulldown which causes jerkiness when they play dvds mastered from film on their 60Hz TVs.
In the UK and Europe, historically we've just run film at 25fps when showing it on our TVs. it runs 4% faster but to those without perfect pitch, it's unnoticeable.
The TM300 records progressively at 25fps in digital cinema mode and stores that in a 50i stream.
More on the 3:2 pulldown here:
Telecine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bobbytoad]

The TM300 records progressively at 25fps in digital cinema mode and stores that in a 50i stream.

I wish I could understand the above quote or the thread as I had the same query in away?

In normal mode does the camera take 25 frames or 50 frames, which are interlaced (ie. half the lines are 1 frame and half the lines the next frame)???

In cinema mode the camera takes 25 frames? so is each frame then repeated twice to create a 50i stream?

whichever way when I put the footage in an editor it shows 25 full frames per second -

one other thing with the cam when I play the video through the camera connected to the PS3 it displays it correctly as 1080i but if I play the same downloaded footage from the ps3 hard drive it displays it at 1080p which looks awful? how can I avoid this?

ps sorry to hijack the thread.... in part

[PhilipL]

Hi

Originally Posted by bobbytoad

I wish I could understand the above quote or the thread as I had the same query in away?

In normal mode does the camera take 25 frames or 50 frames, which are interlaced (ie. half the lines are 1 frame and half the lines the next frame)???

In cinema mode the camera takes 25 frames? so is each frame then repeated twice to create a 50i stream?

The Panasonic in progressive mode records 25 frames a second, but for compatibility with TVs and editing packages each frame is divided into 2 and is saved as 2 fields, so you get fields per second=50i, and it can be treated like any other 50i video source. This is part of a standard and is known as PSF or Progressive scan Segmented Frame.

On playback on a progressive TV such as LCD/Plasma, the TV de-interlaces 50i and in the process recognises it is a progressive sequence and recombines the two fields to give you a single frame back, it then repeats each frame twice to bring it back up to 50 frames per second which they run at, this is often referred to as 2:2 pull down. Recombining both fields gives you back the full resolution and while the TV displays 50 pictures a second, only 25 new pictures are shown giving you 25 frames a second and that film effect, and each frame is the full HD resolution.

A similar process happens with true interlaced video however as each field represents a different point in time they can't simply be combined, so all sorts of processing takes place to merge and blend the two fields to end up with 50 frames per second, so you get 50 pictures that are all slightly different conveying the movement, so you get smoother motion and that video look we are used to.

Hope that helps.

Regards

Phil

[bobbytoad]

Thanks for that explenation I kinda almost understand it now

so basically 1080i shouldnt be viewed as a cop-out on the part of the manufaturers, but more like providing a format that best matches the majority of display devices out there???