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AVCHD footage saved on BD25 Blu ray disks. What is the best way?

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Old 17-07-2009, 12:14 PM   #1
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AVCHD footage saved on BD25 Blu ray disks. What is the best way?

Hi Guys,


I just wonder how do you actually store your footage when your SD card fills up? Do you just copy it to your PC and keep it there? What do you do with the card after you have copied your video do you just delete all files and folders from it or initialise the card?

The idea I have is to backup my footage on single layer Blu ray. I have Panasonic bd35 Blu ray player and likely it can play my footage from SD card which is nice feature. I have also tried and burn content of the SD card to BD-RE and my player played it back ok. Playback is lacking most of the navigation functions but it is still pretty good feature for me as it serves two purposes – backup and ability to play it back.

The problem I have thou is how to get most of the free capacity of bd25 which is about 23GB. I only have 16 GB SD card and 32 GB are pretty expensive.
I understand the ideal solution would be to get 32GB card and film on it 23GB (about 2 hours) worth of footage than copy it to PC and burn to Blu ray. But as I said 32GB are expensive…

It would be nice to edit contents of the SD card on PC to combine footage from two cards but… I have played with it a bit but could not get consistently good results sometimes disks will play and some times they won’t. AVCHD BD structure is complicated and just adding or deleting files doesn’t’ work well.
There is a nice free program that can author AVCHD disks but I want my backups as streamlined and easy as possible. I can always go back to my footage end edit it nicely and author BD properly but for the moment I am really short of time…

Would be great to have your thoughts on that…

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Re: AVCHD footage saved on BD25 Blu ray disks. What is the best way?

To date, i've just been keeping all the clips organised in a PC folder, however, now that i have enough i'm moving on to the next level.

1) I'm moving data from the camera to a content folder on the PC
2) I start a new BD project in an editing/authoring package (in my case, Adobe Premier Pro).
3) I import/edit content to the project, as i take it off the camera, adding menu items etc to the disk layout.
- This process is iterative, until i have enough content for a 50GB disk.
4) Once my project is full enough to burn a final disk, i'll burn a master, and backup the content.

To me, i only want to make disks that are things i want to keep long term, or inflict on others - but i guess it does depend what and how much you are shooting. For me, its almost exclusively kids.... so lots of short clips over a period of time.

I don't just burn the data to disk, as i like to have a proper disk structure, with edited footage/additional audio perhaps + menus/navigation etc

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Old 17-07-2009, 1:18 PM   #3
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Re: AVCHD footage saved on BD25 Blu ray disks. What is the best way?

personally, I edit it all on my PC (usually something like a day out is edited down to 2 minutes or less), I de-interlace it and output it at 23.976fps 1080p at 25mbps in h.264 with AC3 5.1 audio
once I get around 20Gb I put them all into Adobe Encore, create a fancy HD menu and burn them to Blu-ray (and make copies for anyone that wants them in HD or SD as Encore can output DVD with same menu)
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Re: AVCHD footage saved on BD25 Blu ray disks. What is the best way?

What about THIS ?
Turns your ext HDD into both archiving and playback medium, not dependent on any BD player and You can still author discs if you want
It not perfect but it really is a clever idea when it works well and it isnt really that costly

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Re: AVCHD footage saved on BD25 Blu ray disks. What is the best way?

How do you guys delete old files from the SD card so that it will record on it from the beginning and do not overlap with filenames etc from old recordings?
I like editing and have been editing and authoring a lot with my old MiniDV camcorder. But what I like about AVCHD is that you can save you video in full quality viewable format with minimum time spent. Editing is great when you have time. With my 3 month old I only get time to shoot video and 6 hour sleep if I am lucky… HDD’s are great for short time storage but in a long run you may get problems with reading them back after some time even without HDD going bad or getting bad sectors…

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Re: AVCHD footage saved on BD25 Blu ray disks. What is the best way?

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Originally Posted by DVD_fan View Post
I like editing and have been editing and authoring a lot with my old MiniDV camcorder. But what I like about AVCHD is that you can save you video in full quality viewable format with minimum time spent
The only difference with editing from miniDV is the time spent downloading.
Either way the footage has to be re-encoded after editing and many have reported some rather longish times to encode AVCHD material after editing
If this is quick with you your hardware and software are up to scratch, or workflow very efffcient
( some software " smart encode")
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. Editing is great when you have time. With my 3 month old I only get time to shoot video and 6 hour sleep if I am lucky…
You decide how much you want to edit or how little. Attention paid during shooting can considerably reduce the time you need to spend editing .. unless you have creative aspirations
Oh .. and weve all been there, babies do grow..
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HDD’s are great for short time storage but in a long run you may get problems with reading them back after some time even without HDD going bad or getting bad sectors…
Why?
What makes you think optical discs are better, especially domestic writable ones which rely on dyes. Many DVD discs from the early days are now unreadable even without any scratch ect
Fact or fiction?
You decide
Disc rot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TBH Until 50Gb BD discs become affrodable and dependable you get a lot more by using HDDs
Which other medium do you associate with stable long term storage?
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