[Toon]

Originally Posted by steviegall

id say you have it close enough anth

a few of us are using shottys ranking them up and its like people cant handle getting killed by them

we made a whole clan of people rage quit last night in what i thought was a tight enough game(5 tags ahead or something)

in the short space of 9pm-1/2am we easily made 3-4 whole teams rage quit

i was ranking up the 1887 yesterday and its amazing how many people made a class with it for the next game, difference being i had damage of course

in one game last night one clan of guys actually sent me an invite after a game on bootleg where i went 22-11 or something using it against them, i respectfully declined of course but it was a nice gesture

You guys were raping, even with the shotguns! Was quite funny/frustrating with the amount of clans that rage quit out of the games.

Think I'll get onto the shotguns next once I've finished with the P90/AK47.

[Tall_Paul]

Originally Posted by Toon

You guys were raping, even with the shotguns! Was quite funny/frustrating with the amount of clans that rage quit out of the games.

Think I'll get onto the shotguns next once I've finished with the P90/AK47.

Best one to try first to ease you into it is the striker, its the best one but it'll still be a grind.
Be prepared for your KD to get a right stuffing too

[BaldyBonito]

Originally Posted by Tall_Paul

Best one to try first to ease you into it is the striker, its the best one but it'll still be a grind.
Be prepared for your KD to get a right stuffing too

I think I'll need to swap to the striker as the USAS is just garbage, 3 hits on most people from point blank range to put them down. Level 10 in it and I just can't be arsed getting pounded so much using it now lol. Any 1v1's slightly further than point blank range away = your dead.

[AnthonyG]

Originally Posted by BaldyBonito

the USAS is just garbage, 3 hits on most people from point blank range to put them down. .

Yes but just think how fun it will be when you hit 28 and its mostly one hit kills. And its range is massive. And you run faster and further with it.

[Tall_Paul]

Originally Posted by BaldyBonito

I think I'll need to swap to the striker as the USAS is just garbage, 3 hits on most people from point blank range to put them down. Level 10 in it and I just can't be arsed getting pounded so much using it now lol. Any 1v1's slightly further than point blank range away = your dead.

Oh it's worth it, once you get range/damage and ext mags you can pull of some brilliant shots, even I've gone "what the!!!" when i've shot at someone and expecting to get a hitmarker, instead I put them down in one shot

Was just looking though my vault now and I had a game on underground where I go on a 9 kill streak at the start of the game with the USAS, plus a cheeky semtex at the end before I'm finally put down wanted to upload it but its about 1 min long

You've just got to choose the right maps, and alter your playstyle, mission/underground/bootleg/arkaden are the best shotty maps I think. Try the silencer too, as much as it sounds bad, it helps as when you're behind a couple of enemies (havning flanked like a pro ) you can get 2/3 shots into a guy without him knowing what's happening, whereas unsilenced they just turn around and kill you

[BaldyBonito]

Originally Posted by AnthonyG

Yes but just think how fun it will be when you hit 28 and its mostly one hit kills. And its range is massive. And you run faster and further with it.

I just struggle to enjoy it just now though lol. I was an absolute spas fiend in mw2. Never really used shotties since then and I guess I'm struggling with the 2-3 shots to down them in 1v1's. I will persist though I think. Almost gold type 95 then I think I'll do the L118 sniper gold then perhaps go back to the shotties.

What I will say though, the distance you run with ex cond and the usas is hillarious. Dom on village, spawn at A at start. I surprise them at C right at the start every time, 2 easy kills atleast and then cap C. Happy days.

[steviegall]

and the 1887 is now my first gold gun of 10th prestige

[AnthonyG]

Originally Posted by steviegall

and the 1887 is now my first gold gun of 10th prestige

Then you definitely and deservedly have the accolade of AVF's MW3 master. I doubt anyone would disagree once they try that gun out.

That gun is a nightmare. And to get it sans double weapons XP adds major to that too.

[steviegall]

well i aint using it again put it that way

[Tall_Paul]

Hehe, unlocked range on the KSG-12 earlier and was doing the silencer challenge, then bakaara comes up in the rotation on TDM, sod it I think

Went 23-10, embarrassed some quick scoping snipers and got a double game winning killcam. With the silenced KSG.

Have now got damage and extended mags and my oh my that thing is a beast!! just gone 21-4 on arkaden with it

Both games running only UAV and ballistic vests, ribbed for your protection

[BaldyBonito]

Originally Posted by Tall_Paul

Hehe, unlocked range on the KSG-12 earlier and was doing the silencer challenge, then bakaara comes up in the rotation on TDM, sod it I think

Went 23-10, embarrassed some quick scoping snipers and got a double game winning killcam. With the silenced KSG.

Have now got damage and extended mags and my oh my that thing is a beast!! just gone 21-4 on arkaden with it

Both games running only UAV and ballistic vests, ribbed for your protection

Games last night were ridiculous lol. That game winning kill cam on hardhat snd with the usas was just atrocious. The guy was miles away.

[Tall_Paul]

Originally Posted by BaldyBonito

Games last night were ridiculous lol. That game winning kill cam on hardhat snd with the usas was just atrocious. The guy was miles away.

Yeah lol it took 3 shots but he finally went down gotta get the gold USAS out for the killcams

Was just testing out something in a private match and (obvious as this may seem) range does actually increase the distance the pellets travel before they disappear, by about 6ft on the KSG-12, rather than just increasing the damage range (i.e. 40 damage at 10ft without range and at 15ft with range) and having the pellets disappear at the same distance.

Unlocked the 1887 last night too and stuck it on a class, have to say it's pretty good!! Cannot wait until I get the 10th prestige so i can finally rank up the guns and not have to do them again.

[BaldyBonito]

Originally Posted by Tall_Paul

Yeah lol it took 3 shots but he finally went down gotta get the gold USAS out for the killcams

Was just testing out something in a private match and (obvious as this may seem) range does actually increase the distance the pellets travel before they disappear, by about 6ft on the KSG-12, rather than just increasing the damage range (i.e. 40 damage at 10ft without range and at 15ft with range) and having the pellets disappear at the same distance.

Unlocked the 1887 last night too and stuck it on a class, have to say it's pretty good!! Cannot wait until I get the 10th prestige so i can finally rank up the guns and not have to do them again.

Aye 3 shots but the MW2 spas wouldn't even hit him at that distance.

[fitzybhoy25]

Finally levelled the Spas up to level 28 and I must say... Not worth it. I'll never touch any shotgun again unless they get a beef up before ext mags and range/damage.

A horrific experience all round.

[AnthonyG]

Originally Posted by fitzybhoy25

Finally levelled the Spas up to level 28 and I must say... Not worth it. I'll never touch any shotgun again unless they get a beef up before ext mags and range/damage.

A horrific experience all round.

If that is the case why even do it? You have surely read people say its not a good gun in MW3. All the forums/youtube videos I have read this seems to be the universal opinion.

The only two shotguns worth giving 2 seconds over is the USAS and Striker.

I would say even though I hated it, the KSG12 is also much better than the SPAS in this game too. And this is a SPAS type pump action if you want specifically a pump action gun.

So its odd why you picked one of the worst guns, went through all that just to stop using it and never do it again with the good guns.

[fitzybhoy25]

Originally Posted by AnthonyG

If that is the case why even do it? You have surely read people say its not a good gun in MW3. All the forums/youtube videos I have read this seems to be the universal opinion.

The only two shotguns worth giving 2 seconds over is the USAS and Striker.

I would say even though I hated it, the KSG12 is also much better than the SPAS in this game too. And this is a SPAS type pump action if you want specifically a pump action gun.

So its odd why you picked one of the worst guns, went through all that just to stop using it and never do it again with the good guns.

I like trying out new guns and combos. Don't take it so personally.

[AnthonyG]

Originally Posted by fitzybhoy25

I like trying out new guns and combos. Don't take it so personally.

I am not taking it personally. I am just saying its unfortunate you are doing away with the prospect of the most fun two guns in the game in the USAS and Striker just because you had the misfortune of picking the second worst shotgun and putting up with it till level 28 and then finding its still not that good and assuming all the rest will be the same.

Give the USAS or KSG12 a go.

[crocandy]

Gave the USAS a go last night and although i never set the world alight i loved every second of it. I was ready to jack in all shoties after the hell that was 40 kills with ACR shotgun attachment. However, with this i adjusted my attitude towards the gun and was prepared for most kills to need 2/3 shots. I was pleasently surprised by how many ohk i managed including a couple in a final killcam. My favourite being a quickscoping, jumping mofo who i shot in mid air Have to say that i am looking forward to achieving level 28 if it improves the gun. Will the best set up be extended mags and damage?

[AnthonyG]

Originally Posted by crocandy

Will the best set up be extended mags and damage?

Its the only setup for shottys I'd say

[Tall_Paul]

Originally Posted by crocandy

Gave the USAS a go last night and although i never set the world alight i loved every second of it. I was ready to jack in all shoties after the hell that was 40 kills with ACR shotgun attachment. However, with this i adjusted my attitude towards the gun and was prepared for most kills to need 2/3 shots. I was pleasently surprised by how many ohk i managed including a couple in a final killcam. My favourite being a quickscoping, jumping mofo who i shot in mid air Have to say that i am looking forward to achieving level 28 if it improves the gun. Will the best set up be extended mags and damage?

Originally Posted by AnthonyG

Its the only setup for shottys I'd say

The USAS is one of the best shottys once it's all ranked up, mine is gold at the moment

As for damage or range, I have/had a class set up with both (both with ext mags) and found that I used range a fair bit and was preferring it over damage a good amount of the time - the USAS is fully auto and you can get shots off pretty quick so if a guy doesn't go down in one shot they will in 2/3, so the extra damage is sometimes not needed as you can get a second shot off to finish them off without too much trouble.

Now, the KSG (or any other single shot/pump action shotty)... damage all the way, as you need every shot to be a one hit kill, or you're dead.

Surprisingly the USAS has better range than the KSG, the pellets travel a good 10ft further before they disappear, even without range on.

Once you get into the shotgun groove it's hard to go back to normal guns, I played 3/4 of this prestige just using the USAS and the KSG, had huge fun

[AnthonyG]

Originally Posted by steviegall

and the 1887 is now my first gold gun of 10th prestige

How many kills did it take you to get there.

Still cannot believe you managed this. I say this as I am 540 kills on it now and still not even half way through the lvl 30 bar.

And I got through level 1 to 30 entirely using double weapons XP.

I am guessing you must have needed something like 1500 kills?

How anyone can endure 1500 kills with this is beyond me.

[Tall_Paul]

Originally Posted by AnthonyG

How many kills did it take you to get there.

Still cannot believe you managed this. I say this as I am 540 kills on it now and still not even half way through the lvl 30 bar.

And I got through level 1 to 30 entirely using double weapons XP.

I am guessing you must have needed something like 1500 kills?

How anyone can endure 1500 kills with this is beyond me.

weapon xp is 100xp per kill (regardless of game mode) + any bonuses like comeback, headshot, buzzkill etc etc. nothing else counts apart from the challenges. so half of level 30 on kills only would be 450 kills, thats not including any bonusus which will cut it down a lot.

[AnthonyG]

Originally Posted by Tall_Paul

weapon xp is 100xp per kill (regardless of game mode) + any bonuses like comeback, headshot, buzzkill etc etc. nothing else counts apart from the challenges. so half of level 30 on kills only would be 450 kills, thats not including any bonusus which will cut it down a lot.

The best thing for hitting the gold for me has been getting to the 10k milestones.

So 250 then 400 then 500 kills. 30k for all that.

[steviegall]

1100 ish and thats with a 4 kill master and veteran discrepancy

[Tall_Paul]

Originally Posted by steviegall

1100 ish and thats with a 4 kill master and veteran discrepancy

I was about the same with the USAS 12 to get gold.

[Dave H]

just unlocked Range and Damage and Ext Mags for the Striker now whats best Damage or Range ?

[AnthonyG]

Originally Posted by Dave H

just unlocked Range and Damage and Ext Mags for the Striker now whats best Damage or Range ?

Damage without question. You still get huge range when using it with the Striker.

One bullet kill within a reasonable distance with Damage.

Mostly 2 bullets for Range. (or at least this is what I experience)

[BaldyBonito]

Played a game last night with the USAS on Underground. Playing that FFA tourney helped me no end. Raped and Pillaged and went something like 38-11 and got the USAS up to level 16 hoorah. I'll need to upload it to my fileshare as it was pretty impressive.

[PlayStation]

I am the Striker King on PS3 lol. Oh how I've made 4/5 man clans and teams rage quit to the point I got hate messages and reporting me for cheating. Hilarious when the Enemies Forfeit message comes up and you look at leader board, your score is like 33-2 and the next best person is like 3-1 on your team.

I've tried other Shotguns but they're all underpowered and I don't have the patience to camp in a corner and kill from behind because other than the Striker, other shotguns will not win you a 1v1 situation.
The time before a second bullet is ready to be fired from the Spas, you're practically dead. Striker is amazing though, I've had loads of multi and triple kills with it and have had Gold camo for it 6 times now(on 6th prestige now so 7 soon). Even had messages from people saying I'm a beast with the Striker because of the quad kill feeds, I am THAT good.............or the guns OP

MW2 Spas is still the best shotgun though, even the sound of the Spas in MW3 sucks, lacks the bass and deepness of MW2's.

Range and Ext Mags are the way to go for Striker and for Spas-12, Damage and RDS.

[.50 Caliber Bob]

Originally Posted by PlayStation

I've tried other Shotguns but they're all underpowered and I don't have the patience to camp in a corner and kill from behind because other than the Striker, other shotguns will not win you a 1v1 situation.

USAS 12 is also a fantastic shotgun, so I have to disagree with you on this post!
I'll give you that the range is slightly less, and that you can't spam the trigger quite as quickly (so it does take more skill rather than simply how fast can you press R1, I think the striker is a bit more noobish tbh *puts tin hat on*) but it's fire rate is more than adequate. The main advantage over the Striker is movement speed, and with extended mags you even get a sprint distance bonus like a little mini extreme conditioning. I have had several games going 50 kills for sub 10 deaths on domination, whilst running and gunning (and before people say I was kill-whoring, I also got accolades for most points captured on some of them).