[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by Mr Incredible

May I ask about the i1 LT and drift?

How often would you need a re-calibration of the i1 LT to a reference source?

Would I be right to assume this calibration process is one of getting offset values to load into Chromapure for the meter rather than changing any "internal" table on the meter itself?

Would I also be correct to assume that the HCFR software is unable to import and use meter calibration offsets?

Thanks for the questions.

The first question is a bit of a 'how long is a piece string question', there are a number of factors that can cause the drift in the meters, ie extreme heat, cold and humidity, and each meter could react slightly different, and obviously start at different base accuracy.

As a rule xrite recommend the i1pro is calibrated annually. Some of these have drifted from the reference, some of them don't. The i1lt is regarded as being more likely to drift, and thus for maximum accuracy, they should be compared to a reference at least once every 12 months, or more frequently if possible. That is not to say an i1 over 12 months could not be just as accurate as it was at day one.

There is no easy way of adjusting the internal calibration of the meter, and thus using the offset function is the best way of keeping the meter more 'accurate'.

I have not used HCFR enough to comment on a possible offset function, although I believe someone has mentioned that it may be available in HCFR.

[Mr Incredible]

Are there any calibration services for those without reference sources? With the price of the LT as low as about £85, it may as cheap to just buy a new unit!

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Mr Incredible

I don't want to answer on Ricky's behalf but you can't recalibrate an i1Lt, once they've drifted you may as well buy a new one.

I've been having/am having problems with mine and I think the way ahead is to hire a better meter. On Ricky's site there is a Chroma5 and EyeOne Pro availabe for a weeks rental at a cost less than purchasing an i1LT. When funds allow, I'm going to hire the eyeone pro, calibrate my set and then profile it against my dodgy i1 Lt in HCFR.

Just thought I'd mention this option

EDIT: D'Oh, too slow!

Originally Posted by Mr Incredible

May I ask about the i1 LT and drift?

How often would you need a re-calibration of the i1 LT to a reference source?

Would I be right to assume this calibration process is one of getting offset values to load into Chromapure for the meter rather than changing any "internal" table on the meter itself?

Would I also be correct to assume that the HCFR software is unable to import and use meter calibration offsets?

[RICKYJ]

Software packages (delivered electronically)

Software (including licence for one meter) - £99 £81.25
Software (including licence for two meters) - £164 £150
Software (including licence for 3 meters) - £229 £210

Software and meter packages (delivered via Special Delivery or suitable alternative courier)

Xrite i1LT inc software - £199
Xrite Chroma 5 inc software - Please register interest
Chroma 5 (pro) inc software - £500
Panasonic V package inc software see here - £225 £215

Price reduction on the licences for a Limited time, as above (and in the first post). Compare those prices to the US ($200 @ a conversion rate of 0.65 = £130) and you will realise that these prices can't last forever...

EDIT: Just to be clear these prices finished on the 22 September 2010, when the original post was updated.

[IcetomLT]

Hello, RICKYJ,

I am seriously thinking about Chromapure purchase. Just one question.

At present I have Display 2 and provide you it's serial number for software registration for one meter, will you upgrade free of charge the licence, if I later buy Display LT (not necessary from you)?

Thank you in advance for your reply.

[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by IcetomLT

Hello, RICKYJ,

I am seriously thinking about Chromapure purchase. Just one question.

At present I have Display 2 and provide you it's serial number for software registration for one meter, will you upgrade free of charge the licence, if I later buy Display LT (not necessary from you)?

Thank you in advance for your reply.

The licence follows the meter, so if you are change the meter, you would need to buy a new licence. If you did this though, you could potentially sell the original licensed meter to recoup some of the costs.

I am a little confused by your comment though. You mention changing to the Display LT. Did you mean the i1LT? The meters found in the i1LT and i1 Display2 packages are exactly the same.

Hope that helps.

Ricky

[Frazzler]

I would like to buy Chromapure software only for 1 meter, please could you send me details on how to purchase?

Many thanks,

Fraser

[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by Frazzler

I would like to buy Chromapure software only for 1 meter, please could you send me details on how to purchase?

Many thanks,

Fraser

I can't send you a PM at the moment. Please follow the instructions in this thread, and I will send you the details of how to complete the purchase, via PM.

[Frazzler]

Done, just awaiting an admin to deal with it. BTW when I went to your shop it indicated £0 p&p, but when it went through to Paypal it added £9 p&p, is there any p&p charge for a software only purchase?

The serial of my meter which is an Eye one display 2 is 3302-132172-6.

Many thanks,

Fraser

[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by Frazzler

Done, just awaiting an admin to deal with it. BTW when I went to your shop it indicated £0 p&p, but when it went through to Paypal it added £9 p&p, is there any p&p charge for a software only purchase?

The serial of my meter which is an Eye one display 2 is 3302-132172-6.

Many thanks,

Fraser

That's odd, there is not postal charge for the software only. I have had plenty orders go through the website without problems. You do realise the prices on here are different to the website?

Ricky

[Frazzler]

I realised the pricing was different but I was getting a little impatient, I'm away for a few days so I wanted to try and get my calibration done before :-)

[IcetomLT]

Originally Posted by RICKYJ

I am a little confused by your comment though. You mention changing to the Display LT. Did you mean the i1LT? The meters found in the i1LT and i1 Display2 packages are exactly the same

Yes, you understood correctly and thank you for confirming, that you treat Display LT/2 as the same meter.

One more question: do you know if Chromapure will have support for Colourmunki Design/Photo meter?

[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by IcetomLT

Yes, you understood correctly and thank you for confirming, that you treat Display LT/2 as the same meter.

One more question: do you know if Chromapure will have support for Colourmunki Design/Photo meter?

Just to clarify, it is not that we treat the meters the same. They are the same, it is just the software that is different between the packages

It is hoped that there will support for the colormunki in the future, but there is no eta for this update at this time.

[Turb007]

Hi Ricky

I am interested in this but concerned that the licence follows the meter. if as stated by others above the meter i1LT has a life span of roughly a year before it loses accuracy and it needs replacing do I have to purchase a new licence for the software as well ?

[RICKYJ]

I wondered if you would be calibrating your display after getting rid of the krp

Yes you are right, if the meter changed, a new license is required, but there are/will be other alternatives to replacing the meter which will be cheaper, and probably more accurate (do you know how accurate the new i1lt is at purchase)? Hodg100 will confirm that not all new i1 meters are as accurate as they should be These alternatives will make use of the same ChromaPure licence.

You could either rent a more expensive meter, amd create offsets to use with your meter. Or you could get an offset created to make the meter more accurate using the chromapure software. I am currently working on a few projects for the business in the UK that should interest you. More information will be available in this thread in the next week, with some introductory offers for forum members

Have you purchased the i1 yet?

[Turb007]

hey even the KRP needed calibration in the end to get the very best from it

I was thinking about doing this myself this time and the iLT looked like a cost effective solution. Not purchased yet

Was going to look into it all later in the week ..no need to rush the new screen is only 4 days old

cheers

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by RICKYJ

I wondered if you would be calibrating your display after getting rid of the krp

Hodg100 will confirm that not all new i1 meters are as accurate as they should be

Indeed I will Ricky. I went through 2 that were hopeless and I think the first one you checked for me, from your own inventory, was not up too scratch.

Originally Posted by Turb007

Not purchased yet

Turb - I'd urge you to consider purchasing from Ricky, he will check the meters integrity before dispatching to you and there's no other UK seller offering that level of service

[RICKYJ]

I can now explain a bit more of the developments that will be happening with ChromaPure in the UK over the next month.

We will soon be offering pro versions (more information can be found here) of the Spyder3 meter. ChromaPure will be receiving an update in the next few days which will add support for the datacolor Spyder3. Each meter supplied by us will come with the full UK warranty. The Pro upgrades will be carried out in the UK, using a 5nm spectroradiometer, so turnaround will be quick.

So why have we picked the Spyder3 for the pro upgrades. Mainly for 'value for money' reasons. As the meters are cheaper to source, it means we can offer better prices to our customers. The package that we will be sourcing will be the Spyder3TV package which will mean it will also come with a tripod mount.

Please note the pro upgrade is written into the licence file for the meter, and thus ChromaPure will be required to take advantage of these features.

Prices are to be confirmed (but expected to be around £215 for the meter, software, licence and pro upgrade). We expect this program to go live in the next couple of weeks, so please register your interest, or provide feedback on the proposed plan (we like to hear the thoughts of our potential customers).

We will also be running upgrade, and re-calibration programs for current Spyder3, and Chroma5 users.

Please stay tuned for further developments.

[RICKYJ]

Version 2 of ChromaPure has now been released. This is the first of the major upgrades from ChromaPure, and thus adds a few new major functions over version 1.x.

More information can be seen below:

New Features

•A new Contrast module for measuring on/off and checkerboard contrast
•A new Advanced Color Management module for measuring color at different levels of saturation and amplitude
•A new Data Conversion module for converting xyY into a variety of other formats
•A new option for grayscale/gamma readings in 5% increments
•Support for the Spyder3 colorimeter
•Support for the DVDO Duo video processor as a signal generator
•Support for the Lumagen Radiance video processor as a signal generator
•ChromaPure now comes in two versions—Standard (£81.25) and Professional (£500). The differences between the two versions are:
◦The Professional version supports high-end color analyzers, including:
- Minolta CS-200 colorimeter
- Photo Research PR-655/670 spectroradiometer
- Orb Optronics SP100/JETI Specbos 1201 spectroradiometer
- JETI Specbos 1211 spectroradiometer
- Klein K-10 colorimeter (no longer supported in the Standard Version)
- X-Rite Hubble/Sencore OTC-1000 colorimeter (no longer supported in the
Standard Version)
◦The Professional version also supports high-end signal generators, including:
- Sencore VP40x
- Quantum Data 780
- Accupel HDG-3000/4000 (no longer supported in the Standard Version)
◦The Professional version includes licensing for professional use (no longer supported in the Standard Version)
◦The Professional version includes licensing for an unlimited number of meters
◦The Professional version includes support for individually customized Excel-based reports
◦The Professional version includes licensing for Duo/Radiance auto-calibrate when available (will also be available in the Standard version as an optional add-on)

Enhanced Features

•Users can now click File, New Session to clear out all existing data and start a new calibration session. The active meter connection remains.
•The Raw Data module now includes an option for data export to cvs file.
•Gamma module now includes RGB data.
•The Color Management module now includes support for 3 color spaces: HSL, RGB, and xyY.
•The Grayscale and Color Gamut modules now allow user to select any reading at any time. Auto-advance is maintained.
•The Reports module brings back support for Excel-based reports. Integrated reports are maintained.

Bug Fixes

•There was a bug that resulted in unpredictable results and instability with the French character set. This has been fixed.
•There was a bug with the X-Rite Hubble in which it would read only fL. It now reports luminance in fL and cd/m2 correctly.
•Because of the placement of the OK and Cancel buttons on the Options window, they would not appear when using some some video cards. This has been fixed.

Upgrade Policy

•Current ChromaPure users who purchased on or after June 1, 2010 are entitled to a free upgrade to Version 2.0.
•All other users may upgrade from any earlier version to 2.0 for £32.50.
•Any ChromaPure user (who purchased ChromaPure before 13 Sept 2010) who wishes to upgrade their license to the new Professional version may do so now for £59.50. This is a one-time-only discounted offer and is good only through September 30, 2010. After that, all upgrades from Standard to Professional version will be £400. Please note that if you must have upgraded to version 2 standard before you can upgrade to the professional version, so if you are outside the window for the free upgrade the total cost will be £59.50 + £32.50 = £92, although if ordered at the same time, we will do it for £89.50.

Please reply for details reagarding the upgrades/purchases.

[CogPaul]

Hi RICKYJ

Am I correct in my understanding that I can order v1 software now ( £81.25) and upgrade to v2 and pro (£89.50)- for a total cost of £170.75?

If so.. please send me details of how to pay!


Also Do you have a price for the Spyder3 meter yet?Any advantages of your new Spdyer compared to my i1 LT?

[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by CogPaul

Hi RICKYJ

Am I correct in my understanding that I can order v1 software now ( £81.25) and upgrade to v2 and pro (£89.50)- for a total cost of £170.75?

If so.. please send me details of how to pay!


Also Do you have a price for the Spyder3 meter yet?Any advantages of your new Spdyer compared to my i1 LT?

No, unfortunately the reduced professional licence is only for the early adapters to the Chromapure program. That is anyone that had bought the software before 13 September 2010.

As for the pricing for the spyder, it is still expected to be around £215. More information will be available soon.

The advantage over your i1lt will be that you will know it will have been calibrated individually on different displays, which will increase the accuracy of the readings.

[Nudgiator]

Originally Posted by RICKYJ

Please reply on this thread with any questions, and with any orders so that I can send you the information to complete the order.

Sorry, couldn't contact you via email or PN. Please can you send me informations how and where to get Chroma Pure 2.0 Standard (1 meter) for 81,25 GBP ?

[CogPaul]

Another satisifed customer. Thanks Ricky - excellent service

[RICKYJ]

One other major point, that has not been highlighted so much in the release material is that a greyscale window has been added to the gamma module meaning that people can see what effect gamma is having on the greyscale, as they can interlink....

[RICKYJ]

And some of the other additions are:

The contrast screen:

& the advanced colour management screen, and graph...

A new manual is also available for download from here.

[Turb007]

getting nearer to pushing the button on this..probably going to rent a meter to start ..what else do I need to consider ?

I see you provide a dvd ..is this adequate for HD sources ?

Also how on earth do I calibrate for SKY HD ?

Cheers

Shaun

[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by Turb007

getting nearer to pushing the button on this..probably going to rent a meter to start ..what else do I need to consider ?

I see you provide a dvd ..is this adequate for HD sources ?

Also how on earth do I calibrate for SKY HD ?

Cheers

Shaun

No problem. The structure involved with the renting of the meters will be changing soon, so if you want to rent a meter, it may be good to do it soon.

What do you need to consider first. I would suggest if you are going to be renting a meter first, you want to make sure you have done your homework first, as you want to hit the ground running, so that you get maximum use of the meter. This will involve making sure you understand the basics, of how all the greyscale/contrast/brightness/gamma and colour management all work.

The DVD that you can burn has the basic tests you need, but the AVS-HD disc (do a search on google) is being updated to include a set of patterns specifically designed for use with ChromaPure, including the advanced CM. This disc is due for release around the end of the month.

I also find the spears and Munsil a good test disc, as it includes some other more technical tests, covering clipping etc.

Calibrating sky-hd is interesting. As pal is very close to the HD standard (rec 709), most people calibrate to the HD standard, and then adjust the brightness and contrast in relation to sky's feed to try and get the best picture possible. This can be done, by using a fade to black screen, or alternatively by using a familiar screengrab, i.e. record a film on sky that is already owned on bluray. Use the bluray, and find a screen that shows the a good sample of brightness/contrast, and pause the disc. Find this same image on the sky recording, and adjust the picture shown on the sky box, to try and recreate the brightness/contrast/shadow detail etc seen in the bluray shot. It will never be eactly the same due to transmission etc, but you should be able to get close. For standard definition broadcasts, you could use a DVD for the comparison.

Hopefully one day sky will transmit an unhindered test pattern.

[Turb007]

Nice one ..I'm hoping I'm ready to take delivery end of next week ..just got to read up beforehand to make sure

[Wull]

Hi Ricky.

What could the new version do to help me calibrate my jvc 350 that the version I have doesn't?

Can it help with colour?

[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by magicj1

Hi Ricky.

What could the new version do to help me calibrate my jvc 350 that the version I have doesn't?

Can it help with colour?

The limitation with regard to the colour is with the projector, not the software unfortunately.

If you are not going to use a video processor (duo, radiance or video EQ), and do not plan to change your meter or projector in the near future the additional features may not help an awful lot on your previous version.

The new version adds some extra features, but whether they are applicable to you, only you can decide. The one feature that may be useful to you is the addition of the greysale bars within the gamma window.

Other than that the extras added help to improve the calibration information available.