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**Iccz** · 05-09-2011, 10:26 PM

Grifter: See above

Deathstroke: An assassin and anti-hero and villain - usually ends up in the rankings among good villains - who gained powers through the military and their attempts to create super soldiers. Came about in Teen Titans as a mercenary before getting his own run.
Pretty standard powers of extra strength, speed and agility - the usual, but is tactical genius is his best strength -seen arguments of people pitting him vs Batman for tactical mentality - personally I think their meet up says it all - wont spoil anything for anyone.

Demon Knights: Medieval, supernatural, swords, sorcery and superhero comic. I think is the best way to summarise it from what I've seen

It's a very easy to start on comic as Cornell has said you need no knowledge of characters to pick this one up. But you have some interesting characters put in to this like Etrigan (Demon) who is from hell but fights for good, but the main thing is Cornell has a way of making anything work - and it's very focused on characters and building a reader connection with the characters and the times they're going through. Probably a really bad paragraph on it but it's a tough one to try talk about

**Theydon Bois** · 05-09-2011, 10:40 PM

I fancy picking 'All Covers' for a title, probably a Bat title, anyone have any ideas? Did people know the JL covers before they came out for instance?

Edit: While I don't mind paying a fiver, I don't want to get stung for a £15 or possibly two lots of £15 extra if I pick Batman and Detective for instance.

**Theydon Bois** · 05-09-2011, 11:43 PM

My mate said I should buy the Morrison Action Comics, and I didn't listen, so with your added recommendation, and wanting some Bat based variants, I have emailed Economic Comics with this:

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Please increase my order for Action Comics to 2 issues.

Please also add variant cover issues to my order for the Batman DCNU and Detective DCNU Comics (one of each) for any covers that cost approx £5 or less (i.e. no 1:200 variants)

To confirm, this means I want 2 issues of Batman plus one of each of any variant covers that cost less than £5ea and the same for Detective Comics.

....we will see if that is 'doable'.

**Iccz** · 05-09-2011, 11:55 PM

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My mate said I should buy the Morrison Action Comics, and I didn't listen, so with your added recommendation, and wanting some Bat based variants, I have emailed Economic Comics with this:

....we will see if that is 'doable'.

Morrison is one of my favourite writers, I would definitely buy comics on the strength of his writing - Batman RIP, Final Crisis, Batman and Robin (First 16), JLA, and as mentioned All-Star Supes... I have high hopes for Action Comics and for me it's one of the few I'm really excited about, I'm sure you wont be disappointed!

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Theydon Bois

I fancy picking 'All Covers' for a title, probably a Bat title, anyone have any ideas? Did people know the JL covers before they came out for instance?

Edit: While I don't mind paying a fiver, I don't want to get stung for a £15 or possibly two lots of £15 extra if I pick Batman and Detective for instance.

It's only Batman and Batman Odessey (starting next month, 7 part mini series) that's getting variant covers in October and November. Justice League will be getting a 1:25 and a 1:200 variant for issues 2 and 3.

Edit: Batman 2 and 3 will also be getting a 1:200 variant so could be costly if you have alot of luck.

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 10:38 AM

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Morrison is one of my favourite writers, I would definitely buy comics on the strength of his writing - Batman RIP, Final Crisis, Batman and Robin (First 16), JLA, and as mentioned All-Star Supes... I have high hopes for Action Comics and for me it's one of the few I'm really excited about, I'm sure you wont be disappointed!

I'm looking forward to it, not long now!

NewMan · 06-09-2011, 10:42 AM

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It's only Batman and Batman Odessey (starting next month, 7 part mini series) that's getting variant covers in October and November. Justice League will be getting a 1:25 and a 1:200 variant for issues 2 and 3.

Edit: Batman 2 and 3 will also be getting a 1:200 variant so could be costly if you have alot of luck.

I also think you'll be lucky to get a variant cover (even just the 1:25) for £5. The variant for JL #1 cost me £12.99 - which I think was a little excessive, but the last time I bought variant covers was back in the days of Messiah CompleX and I think I paid around £8.99 then...

**Iccz** · 06-09-2011, 10:44 AM

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I also think you'll be lucky to get a variant cover (even just the 1:25) for £5. The variant for JL #1 cost me £12.99 - which I think was a little excessive, but the last time I bought variant covers was back in the days of Messiah CompleX and I think I paid around £8.99 then...

Indeed, the VCs are expensive because they have great collector value, it's an investment and you need to be very selective on which ones you get

I've never really gone for them myself, but I have been tempted.

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 10:48 AM

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I also think you'll be lucky to get a variant cover (even just the 1:25) for £5. The variant for JL #1 cost me £12.99 - which I think was a little excessive, but the last time I bought variant covers was back in the days of Messiah CompleX and I think I paid around £8.99 then...

£12.99 is reasonable I think, I've seen them go for alot more on eBay and if you stuck the 1:25 on eBay I really wouldn't be suprised if you got more than £12.99 for it, say £20, probably more.

**Iccz** · 06-09-2011, 10:51 AM

So as we've had such little discussion on JL #1 should we have a thread for discussing the stories, art, our opinions and such of the actual comics, or should we just post it here in spoiler tags?

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 10:53 AM

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So as we've had such little discussion on JL #1 should we have a thread for discussing the stories, art, our opinions and such of the actual comics, or should we just post it here in spoiler tags?

+1 for new thread.

NewMan · 06-09-2011, 10:53 AM

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£12.99 is reasonable I think, I've seen them go for alot more on eBay and if you stuck the 1:25 on eBay I really wouldn't be suprised if you got more than £12.99 for it, say £20, probably more.

Well, we'll find out how reasonable it is when Action Comics #1 hits my pull list - Midtown Comics are selling the Jim Lee variant cover for $4.25 here, so if I get charged £12.99 for it, that's quite a significant mark-up...

NewMan · 06-09-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Iccz

So as we've had such little discussion on JL #1 should we have a thread for discussing the stories, art, our opinions and such of the actual comics, or should we just post it here in spoiler tags?

Does that mean we'll end up with a new thread for each of the 52 titles? If so, I'd suggest sticking to this thread and chucking spoiler tags around stuff...

**Iccz** · 06-09-2011, 10:55 AM

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+1 for new thread.

The next question is one thread for all titles or one thread per title as not to stray off the topic on to different ones each time, I'm not sure 52 new threads for each one might be a good idea?

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Does that mean we'll end up with a new thread for each of the 52 titles? If so, I'd suggest sticking to this thread and chucking spoiler tags around stuff...

Good timing!

I think we should have one where we can discuss story lines, and everything without having to use spoilers, this one can be used to discuss anything involved without diving in to the actual story and requiring annoying spoilers.

NewMan · 06-09-2011, 10:59 AM

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I think we should have one where we can discuss story lines, and everything without having to use spoilers, this one can be used to discuss anything involved without diving in to the actual story and requiring annoying spoilers.

Yes, but suppose I want to read something about one title and get spoiled by a post regarding a title I haven't read yet?

**Iccz** · 06-09-2011, 11:08 AM

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Yes, but suppose I want to read something about one title and get spoiled by a post regarding a title I haven't read yet?

Fair point... keep it in here with spoiler tags it is then!

Justice League #1:

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 11:09 AM

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Well, we'll find out how reasonable it is when Action Comics #1 hits my pull list - Midtown Comics are selling the Jim Lee variant cover for $4.25 here, so if I get charged £12.99 for it, that's quite a significant mark-up...

They're not 1:25 variants. 4 - 5 quid for those should be the going price I think. Let me know if you don't mind, it would be interesting to see.

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 11:11 AM

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Justice League #1:

Liked that one too.

**Iccz** · 06-09-2011, 11:13 AM

Eek, I forgot subscription emails contain spoilers, that could be one reason for a new thread so anyone wanting to avoid spoilers who is subbed here doesn't get the emails with them in?

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Liked that one too.

Aye, seems like there could be a few gems.

NewMan · 06-09-2011, 11:13 AM

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They're not 1:25 variants. 4 - 5 quid for those should be the going price I think. Let me know if you don't mind, it would be interesting to see.

Will do... Having looked again at Midtown, they're charging $21.25 for the Finch Variant cover, so not sure...

Wait, is there a difference between Incentive and Variant? I've never noticed that before....

**Iccz** · 06-09-2011, 11:16 AM

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Wait, is there a difference between Incentive and Variant? I've never noticed that before....

No difference

The incentive part simply refers to giving people an incentive to buy more copies of one book

The incentive is that they're worth more as they're more collectable, so stores want to buy them as they can sell for higher profit margins and collectors want to buy them so they have the different cover.

Edit: Matt explains it better than I do

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 11:17 AM

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Will do... Having looked again at Midtown, they're charging $21.25 for the Finch Variant cover, so not sure...

Wait, is there a difference between Incentive and Variant? I've never noticed that before....

Yep, Incentive variants are retailer incentives. Publishers basically say for every 25 normal copies, you can have 1 variant. Other variants, are much easier to get hold of.

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 11:19 AM

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Yep, Incentive variants are retailer incentives. Publishers basically say for every 25 normal copies, you can have 1 variant. Other variants, are much easier to get hold of.

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No difference

The incentive part simply refers to giving people an incentive to buy more copies of one book

The incentive is that they're worth more as they're more collectable, so stores want to buy them as they can sell for higher profit margins and collectors want to buy them so they have the different cover.

Edit: Matt explains it better than I do

Sorry dude lol, I think we posted at the same time.

NewMan · 06-09-2011, 11:20 AM

Well, thanks for replying both of you, and in the process offering two completely opposite answers...

Seeing as Midtown seem to make a distinction between Variant and Incentive, I'm inclined to go with MattEffect's answer, but happy for any further clarification...

dieeasysteve · 06-09-2011, 11:24 AM

I hate spoiler tags as I can't see them on the iPhone app.

**Iccz** · 06-09-2011, 11:28 AM

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Well, thanks for replying both of you, and in the process offering two completely opposite answers...

Seeing as Midtown seem to make a distinction between Variant and Incentive, I'm inclined to go with MattEffect's answer, but happy for any further clarification...

Well, we're both kind of saying the same thing, but Matt puts more details in to the specifics. I say they're not different because an incentive varient is still a varient issue - just a different varient to other varients... They're called incentives as Matt explains because it encourages the retailers to purchase more of a run, or a book to get the incentive copy which holds more value, in theory. So it's a yes and a no, depending how you look at it.

Intrinsically there is no difference between a variant and incentive to you and I, but there is a difference on the incentives to a retailer.

I found a bit here that kind of says what I'm trying to as well:
What's the Big Deal about Variant Cover Comic Books?- Variant Comics Shop

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 11:32 AM

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Well, we're both kind of saying the same thing, but Matt puts more details in to the specifics. I say they're not different because an incentive varient is still a varient issue - just a different varient to other varients... They're called incentives as Matt explains because it encourages the retailers to purchase more of a run, or a book to get the incentive copy which holds more value, in theory. So it's a yes and a no, depending how you look at it.

Intrinsically there is no difference between a variant and incentive to you and I, but there is a difference on the incentives to a retailer.

I found a bit here that kind of says what I'm trying to as well:
What's the Big Deal about Variant Cover Comic Books?- Variant Comics Shop

Now THAT is clarification lol. Nice find on the web too.

You're right though, we're both basically saying the same thing.

MattEffect · 06-09-2011, 11:54 AM

Just had a delivery of comics from ebay and I've officially completed Green Lantern Volume 4. Just need GLC now and variants. Can't wait to see what happens in new 52 after the events of War of the Green Lanterns.

**Theydon Bois** · 06-09-2011, 1:07 PM

Moderatoring forum = spoiler tags not quite so hidden

.....but I heard [JL#1]

**Iccz** · 06-09-2011, 1:08 PM

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Moderatoring forum = spoiler tags not quite so hidden

.....but I heard [JL#1]

spoiler

Leave the posts you don't want to read for the other mod

Also try using a spoiler instead of a sign

05-09-2011, 10:26 PM	#61
Iccz Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Keystone City Thanks: Gave 5,098, Got 6,235 Posts: 23,432	Advertisement Want to Advertise? Grifter: See above Deathstroke: An assassin and anti-hero and villain - usually ends up in the rankings among good villains - who gained powers through the military and their attempts to create super soldiers. Came about in Teen Titans as a mercenary before getting his own run. Pretty standard powers of extra strength, speed and agility - the usual, but is tactical genius is his best strength -seen arguments of people pitting him vs Batman for tactical mentality - personally I think their meet up says it all - wont spoil anything for anyone. Demon Knights: Medieval, supernatural, swords, sorcery and superhero comic. I think is the best way to summarise it from what I've seen It's a very easy to start on comic as Cornell has said you need no knowledge of characters to pick this one up. But you have some interesting characters put in to this like Etrigan (Demon) who is from hell but fights for good, but the main thing is Cornell has a way of making anything work - and it's very focused on characters and building a reader connection with the characters and the times they're going through. Probably a really bad paragraph on it but it's a tough one to try talk about
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Theydon Bois Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sauf Lunden Thanks: Gave 3,639, Got 3,092 Posts: 10,746	I fancy picking 'All Covers' for a title, probably a Bat title, anyone have any ideas? Did people know the JL covers before they came out for instance? Edit: While I don't mind paying a fiver, I don't want to get stung for a £15 or possibly two lots of £15 extra if I pick Batman and Detective for instance. Last edited by Theydon Bois; 05-09-2011 at 11:23 PM.
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Theydon Bois Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sauf Lunden Thanks: Gave 3,639, Got 3,092 Posts: 10,746	Moderatoring forum = spoiler tags not quite so hidden .....but I heard [JL#1] that Batman nicks the ring anyway, so suitably implying I maybe a man in a suit, but you are a man in a leotard wearing a ring that came out of a ceral packet...
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Iccz Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Keystone City Thanks: Gave 5,098, Got 6,235 Posts: 23,432	So as we've had such little discussion on JL #1 should we have a thread for discussing the stories, art, our opinions and such of the actual comics, or should we just post it here in spoiler tags?
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NewMan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Thanks: Gave 302, Got 622 Posts: 2,886	Well, thanks for replying both of you, and in the process offering two completely opposite answers... Seeing as Midtown seem to make a distinction between Variant and Incentive, I'm inclined to go with MattEffect's answer, but happy for any further clarification...
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