Is an Upscaled DVD HD? Yes / No (Poll)

Pincho Paxton · 15-01-2009, 1:28 PM

Do you consider an Upscaled DVD to be HD.. Yes? / No?

At this point I just want your first reaction to the question.

mooperman · 15-01-2009, 1:31 PM

erm no... cos its UP-scaled...

Pincho Paxton · 15-01-2009, 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mooperman

erm no... cos its UP-scaled...

UP to what?

SparkShot · 15-01-2009, 1:38 PM

No, even though upscaled dvd's can be fairly decent they don't really get near proper HD quality.

The difference becomes even more apparent on bigger screen sizes.

nitram100 · 15-01-2009, 1:39 PM

Upscaled to a Higher resolution. Its forcing a HD resolution, but the initial source is not a native HD resolution (like HDDVDS, BLURAYS), therefore the upscaled picture is not proper HD.

Its a higher definition (HD) yes, but not native HD

Pincho Paxton · 15-01-2009, 1:39 PM

Do you count 720p as HD?

mooperman · 15-01-2009, 1:39 PM

***never mind***

Getting out of this thread early, i can see exactly where this is going....

nitram100 · 15-01-2009, 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Do you count 720p as HD?

yes, because its a native HD resolution, but not a forced 720p which has been upscaled from a non-native source i.e./ SD-DVD

Pincho Paxton · 15-01-2009, 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nitram100

yes, because its a native HD resolution, but not a forced 720p which has been upscaled from a non-native source i.e./ SD-DVD

When you say upscaled do you mean stretched, or mathematically enhanced?

nitram100 · 15-01-2009, 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

When you say upscaled do you mean stretched, or mathematically enhanced?

Upscalers are mathematical transformers, for each output pixel they take a bunch of source pixels, weigh them by the nearness to the new pixel's location in the source, and combine them.

bosque · 15-01-2009, 1:54 PM

All upscaled means in practice is that the DVD is approaching HD quality, i.e. it's a salesman's term. "Almost As good as HD".

**Garrett** · 15-01-2009, 2:03 PM

Thread moved as this is more to do with the disc rather than movies.

Pincho Paxton · 15-01-2009, 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bosque

All upscaled means in practice is that the DVD is approaching HD quality, i.e. it's a salesman's term. "Almost As good as HD".

Just to be clear...I'm not comparing it with Blu Ray.. just HD. I was just wondering if the Upscaled image gets close to 720p unique pixels during a 1080p Upscale. It's not that much of a step from 576, or whatever on a DVD.

IAN P · 15-01-2009, 2:37 PM

No to the question.

WillieCocker · 15-01-2009, 2:49 PM

Eh no!!

It's like saying do you consider this to be a ferrari.

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Pincho Paxton · 15-01-2009, 2:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WillieCocker

Eh no!!

It's like saying do you consider this to be a ferrari.

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You have Sky HD, isn't a lot of the SKY HD stuff upscaled? I heard it was.

philaitman · 15-01-2009, 3:45 PM

Nope.
Upscaling interpolates an image to larger dimensions, while it does create more pixels, it does not create either greater Resolution or extra Definition if we use the correct meaning of these terms in relation to imagery as opposed to the sales and marketing *******isations of them.

bosque · 15-01-2009, 5:24 PM

Good to see the usual level of support for Pincho's latest flying kite, wonder who the other one was who agreed with Pincho that an upscaled DVD is HD ?

nwgarratt · 15-01-2009, 5:25 PM

Of course upscaling is not HD. Just because it is 720p or higher does not make it HD. It needs to HD resolution to start with not a lower SD resolution and basically resized higher.

It doesn't help manufactuerers confusing people when they say HD in the description of a DVD player.

SlinkDaddy · 15-01-2009, 6:10 PM

Clearly it isn't HD.

The TV scales any image that you put into it anyway so the 2 people that have voted yes must also think that anything they watch on a HD Ready/Full HD set are all HD as well

including the likes of VHS etc.

bosque · 15-01-2009, 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mhsslinky

Clearly it isn't HD.

The TV scales any image that you put into it anyway so the 2 people that have voted yes must also think that anything they watch on a HD Ready/Full HD set are all HD as well

including the likes of VHS etc.

One of whom must be Pincho, wonder who the other one was ? (unless he managed to vote twice

).

mooperman · 15-01-2009, 7:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bosque

One of whom must be Pincho, wonder who the other one was ? (unless he managed to vote twice

).

yep one was def pincho as when i first clicked into this there were no other replies and 1 vote for yes and i voted no to make it 50/50 at the time...

not that it matters, he's entitled to his opinion although he's clearly just trying to put a cat amongst the pigeons so to speak...

nwgarratt · 15-01-2009, 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mhsslinky

Clearly it isn't HD.

The TV scales any image that you put into it anyway so the 2 people that have voted yes must also think that anything they watch on a HD Ready/Full HD set are all HD as well

including the likes of VHS etc.

I know people think they are watching HD TV programmes but all they are watching are Freeview. Just because it is upscaled by the TV doesn't make it HD. There would be no need for Sky HD or Freesat HD over the SD versions if that was the case.

Pincho Paxton · 15-01-2009, 8:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mhsslinky

Clearly it isn't HD.

The TV scales any image that you put into it anyway so the 2 people that have voted yes must also think that anything they watch on a HD Ready/Full HD set are all HD as well

including the likes of VHS etc.

Well yes, but my TV just stretches an image so it hasn't created any new unique pixels . My DVD Recorder does a little bit of upscaling work maybe to 576 unique pixels (the rest of the pixels just stretched duplicates), and my PS3 does a lot of Upscaling work maybe to 720p, maybe beyond.. (the rest of the pixels just stretched duplicates).

I guess it depends on the Upscaler.

Pincho Paxton · 15-01-2009, 8:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nwgarratt

Of course upscaling is not HD. Just because it is 720p or higher does not make it HD. It needs to HD resolution to start with not a lower SD resolution and basically resized higher.

It doesn't help manufactuerers confusing people when they say HD in the description of a DVD player.

It's also illegal to use any false advertisement in Britain. So how do they get away with it? I remember when a BUSH dvd upscaler had HD DVD player on its box.

CAS FAN · 15-01-2009, 11:38 PM

Why do people get so hung up on marketing tags like HD, HD Ready, Full HD etc.

An upscaled DVD is a 720×576 (if PAL) image upscaled to whatever resolution you are scaling to (i.e. 720p, 1080p etc.). The panel is displaying a 720p or 1080p image, however the image has no more detail information than when displayed at 576p. The information that is there is simply scaled to the resolution of the screen. If done well this can produce a smoother image on screen but really that's it.

'HD' or 'High Definition' is generally classed as a resolution above what we now refer to as 'SD' or 'Standard Definition' (i.e. above 480p (NTSC) or 576p (PAL)). Also 'HD' material is regarded as material broadcast or presented at a resolution higher than the standard definition resolutions listed above. So a Blu Ray DVD which outputs 1080p or SKy HD, which broadcasts 720p/1080i is classed as 'HD' material.

The material on the DVD is NOT 'HD' and never will be, but the TV is displaying an image that is classed as 'HD' because the resolution the TV is displaying will be either 720p, 1080i or 1080p. However, reading the question literally "Is an Upscaled DVD, HD?" then the answer has to be NO as the actual DVD itself is not recorded in a High Definition resolution and the material on the actual disc (which is what the question is asking, not the resolution of the displayed image) will never change, whether it's played on an upscaling DVD or not.

nwgarratt · 15-01-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CAS FAN

Why do people get so hung up on marketing tags like HD, HD Ready, Full HD etc.

Because it is easy for the manufacturers to confuse the public. How many people have bought upscaling DVD players thinking they are getting HD and even play Blu Rays?

CAS FAN · 15-01-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nwgarratt

Because it is easy for the manufacturers to confuse the public. How many people have bought upscaling DVD players thinking they are getting HD and even play Blu Rays?

I know, but I was more meaning folk on here. Surely we all know better. I can see their worth in terms of marketing and so that folk who are not AV enthusiasts can maybe understand concepts (like higher resolutions and the enhanced image definition that can bring) better.

High Definition is not just a resolution, it's an increase in detail and information in the image which is possible partially due to the increased resolution of the display (and thus the resolution of the material that can be shown on it) and partially the bit rate the material is presented in and the level of information in the image.

With an upscaled DVD we just have one of the factors that goes towards making a high definition image and that is the resolution it's being displayed at. The image itself contains no extra definition or information and the existing information is simply stretched, adjusted etc. to fit the display.

I'm surprised to see that 2 people on the AVForums have actually answered YES to this question.

IAN P · 15-01-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CAS FAN

I'm surprised to see that 2 people on the AVForums have actually answered YES to this question.

I'm pleased that it's only 2,it could be the most one sided poll in forum history.

CAS FAN · 16-01-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by IAN P

I'm pleased that it's only 2,it could be the most one sided poll in forum history.

Yes very true. I might make a poll in general chat entitled "Is the Pope Catholic? Yes / No" but then that probably wouldn't be quite as one sided as this one.

View Poll Results: Is an Upscaled DVD .. HD?
Yes it is HD	6	3.85%
No it isn't HD	150	96.15%
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