put off buying blu-ray movies because off grain?

Ewan154 · 11-02-2008, 1:46 PM

Hi,
Is anyone else put off buying blu-ray movies because off film grain?

GloryHornet · 11-02-2008, 1:49 PM

I think you need to elaborate as to which films you have seen with 'grain'.

Personally the films I have seen on Blu-Ray didnt suffer from 'grain' unless of course you are taking about 300 but then its shot that way.

Dave H · 11-02-2008, 2:41 PM

Just watched ratatoiulle and it is the best Blu Ray I have seen

Dave.

Widge · 11-02-2008, 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryHornet

I think you need to elaborate as to which films you have seen with 'grain'.

Personally the films I have seen on Blu-Ray didnt suffer from 'grain' unless of course you are taking about 300 but then its shot that way.

Apocalypto has film grain. But I feel this adds a certain amount of stylistic charm. Such as the way a vinyl crackles etc.

Donnacha · 11-02-2008, 3:29 PM

isn't grain an inherent aspect of film, and the way its shot? If that's how the film's supposed to look then I'm happy.....besides I think a certain element of grain makes the movie feel that little bit more "cinematic" when you're watching at home!

lgans316 · 11-02-2008, 3:36 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_grain

To me unobtrusive Film Grain is very important for faithful representation of the picture.

Sonic67 · 11-02-2008, 3:55 PM

I like to watch films as intended. If the director made the film with grain then leave it there. The same thing with black bars etc.

philbam · 11-02-2008, 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewan154

Hi,
Is anyone else put off buying blu-ray movies because off film grain?

Straight answer from me is NO.
Every single movie that I have watched on Blu-Ray or Hd-dvd, without exception, has been an improvement over the original in standard definition.
To me it really is a no-brainer that , if you have the choice (and finance),go for the high definition version every time.
I now have over 110 blu-rays and 90 hd-dvd's.

sdb123 · 11-02-2008, 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewan154

Hi,
Is anyone else put off buying blu-ray movies because off film grain?

No, not me.

Razor · 11-02-2008, 5:14 PM

I know what the OP means. I have seen a fair few BD and the quality does vary. Some are sharp and crisp, others can have grain in them. I did wonder when we will see the best from this format like we have done with dvd. If I look back on my early dvd's you can quiet clearly see that they are not upto the standard of newer dvd's and grain is one reason amongst others. I think the same will apply to BD and HD DVD discs. Some transfers are amazing and others are poor and some are average and do have some grain to be seen. Maybe the higher res shows off the imperfections more, maybe the transfer isnt the best it could be, maybe it was shot that way from the beginning, who knows. It does play on my mind when ever I see a below par disc or a disc which doesn't blow me away like other discs can do. I have a feeling that the overall standard for BD or HD DVD disc on a whole will improve over the next few years, basically the same will happen to HD discs as it did to VHS and DVD retail products.

featherhall · 11-02-2008, 5:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewan154

Hi,
Is anyone else put off buying blu-ray movies because off film grain?

nope.

Like posted above, there are a few titles which do have this (300 / Miami Vice / Rocky Balboa (prefight) to name a few). This is how the director intended the film though. If you dont like it, then if you read the reviews it usually mentions if this is apparant. Films like Ratatouille / Transformers are probably your best bet.
Personally it doesn't bother me too much.

DELUCAS · 11-02-2008, 6:03 PM

I dont no about grain but I watched the lady in the water ( i think thats what its called ) on blu ray !!

well the picture was the worst ive ever seen had to eject to check it was a blu disk twice !!(rented version ) but casino royale was good !!

put it down to early mpeg 2 !!??
put me off the blu disk

film was c..p !!

got XE1

only 1 film pic quality wise has not impressed me so far !!

bosque · 11-02-2008, 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor

I know what the OP means. I have seen a fair few BD and the quality does vary. Some are sharp and crisp, others can have grain in them. I did wonder when we will see the best from this format like we have done with dvd. If I look back on my early dvd's you can quiet clearly see that they are not upto the standard of newer dvd's and grain is one reason amongst others. I think the same will apply to BD and HD DVD discs. Some transfers are amazing and others are poor and some are average and do have some grain to be seen. Maybe the higher res shows off the imperfections more, maybe the transfer isnt the best it could be, maybe it was shot that way from the beginning, who knows. It does play on my mind when ever I see a below par disc or a disc which doesn't blow me away like other discs can do. I have a feeling that the overall standard for BD or HD DVD disc on a whole will improve over the next few years, basically the same will happen to HD discs as it did to VHS and DVD retail products.

Some examples of which titles you feel are below par would be interesting. I think a lot of it is down to personal opinions, for example, the new Jesse James Blu-Ray has been getting a very bad "press" on its PQ and AQ, but both IMHO are excellent, difficult to see how it could be significantly improved. But it's been said before that people who object to seeing film grain are not going to enjoy hi-definition discs unless their players or monitors have some kind of digital noise reduction option (which can ruin a picture).

tvmonkey · 11-02-2008, 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DELUCAS

I dont no about grain but I watched the lady in the water ( i think thats what its called ) on blu ray !!

Hmmm, the picture quality of Lady In The Water is not exactly great but it wasn't terrible. It was a touch too soft and washed in places though. There are certainly better transfers than that.

DELUCAS · 11-02-2008, 7:47 PM

tvmonkey

well put it this way ive seen better or equivalant on most of my upscaled r1 sd dvd films !! using denon 3910 /XE1 (the TANK )

connected to pioneer plas !!

DELUCAS · 11-02-2008, 8:07 PM

Your welcome Ewan154

tvmonkey · 11-02-2008, 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DELUCAS

tvmonkey

well put it this way ive seen better or equivalant on most of my upscaled r1 sd dvd films !! using denon 3910 /XE1 (the TANK )

connected to pioneer plas !!

I've seen better Blu certainly but i'd have to say that the detail was better on Lady In The Water than on any upscaled DVD i've seen. Having said that there are some DVDs out there that when upscaled have a better, crisper picture than LITW.

Each to their own though

Pincho Paxton · 11-02-2008, 8:37 PM

I am!

My best example is Battlestar Galactica.. i would love a grainless HD version of the entire series, which would cost about £100, so Universal are loosing out big time on this one, because the grain in the series kills the HD, and should not be seen in a movie that is supposed to be filmed with way more advanced technology than our own. Ok so they want a realistic news report look, but a news report with this advanced technology would be higher tech than our HD.

bosque · 11-02-2008, 8:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I am!

My best example is Battlestar Galactica.. i would love a grainless HD version of the entire series, which would cost about £100, so Universal are loosing out big time on this one, because the grain in the series kills the HD, and should not be seen in a movie that is supposed to be filmed with way more advanced technology than our own. Ok so they want a realistic news report look, but a news report with this advanced technology would be higher tech than our HD.

...which Universal would have access to, of course

Smurfin · 11-02-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DELUCAS

well put it this way ive seen better or equivalant on most of my upscaled r1 sd dvd films !! using denon 3910 /XE1 (the TANK )

connected to pioneer plas !!

You think SD from the 3910 is better or equivalent to most of your HD viewing? I think you either have a calibration issue, you sit a long way from a small plasma (even so SD isn't going to be better), or you need to go to Specsavers

To answer the OP though, let me ask you this question:

Are you put off going to the cinema because of grain?
Are you put off buying SD DVDs because of grain?
Are you put off watching movies in general because of grain?

If so, I certainly wouldn't buy into bluray!

elicash73 · 11-02-2008, 10:46 PM

Whole grain?

Ewan154 · 12-02-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Smurfin

You think SD from the 3910 is better or equivalent to most of your HD viewing? I think you either have a calibration issue, you sit a long way from a small plasma (even so SD isn't going to be better), or you need to go to Specsavers

To answer the OP though, let me ask you this question:

Are you put off going to the cinema because of grain?
Are you put off buying SD DVDs because of grain?
Are you put off watching movies in general because of grain?

If so, I certainly wouldn't buy into bluray!

No
No
No

Smurfin · 12-02-2008, 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewan154

No
No
No

Why would you be put off from buying bluray then?

Pincho Paxton · 12-02-2008, 3:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Smurfin

Why would you be put off from buying bluray then?

The price. If you don't mind a DVD with grain you can buy it for less than the Blu Ray version, and the difference will be less due to the grain.

Smurfin · 12-02-2008, 4:05 PM

Fair point (to a degree), but even in movies with grain, my experience is that they're still a major improvement over SD DVD (Miami Vice for example).

Bribrian · 12-02-2008, 5:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DELUCAS

I dont no about grain but I watched the lady in the water ( i think thats what its called ) on blu ray !!

well the picture was the worst ive ever seen had to eject to check it was a blu disk twice !!(rented version ) but casino royale was good !!

put it down to early mpeg 2 !!??
put me off the blu disk

film was c..p !!

got XE1

only 1 film pic quality wise has not impressed me so far !!

Try watching the SD version & then put in the blu-ray to compare & i expect you will see an improvement......

bosque · 12-02-2008, 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bribrian

Try watching the SD version & then put in the blu-ray to compare & i expect you will see an improvement......

We've tried to persuade DELUCAS to remove his dark glasses when watching movies but he won't listen

DELUCAS · 12-02-2008, 6:08 PM

smurfin If you read all my posts I was refering to ONLY lady in the water on blu and was not happy with picture quality compared (poss early mpeg 2 encoding !!?? )to some good quality sd r1 dvd releases lately and you have to addmit the visual quality on some recent realeses on sd dvd are very good upscaled using 3910 / TOSHIBA XE1 etc HD DVD PLAYER !

Originally Posted by DELUCAS
well put it this way ive seen better or equivalant on most of my upscaled r1 sd dvd films !! using denon 3910 /XE1 (the TANK ) connected to pioneer plas !! compared to lady in water on blu !!

tvmonkey seemed to agree that litw on blu that there are some dvds upscaled have a better crispier picture when upscaled than litw

so does he need glasses too

and my mate who was with me also !!

and why is it that casino royale looked very very good on blu !! compared with litw did our eye sight return mysteriously

Lady in the water must of been a poor transfer no mention of any other blu or HD DVD films that i mention ! and I agree that it would be better than sd dvd of litw !!

DELUCAS · 12-02-2008, 6:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bosque

We've tried to persuade DELUCAS to remove his dark glasses when watching movies but he won't listen

Thats because they are REACTOLITE SHADES !!

Indiana Jones · 12-02-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I am!

My best example is Battlestar Galactica.. i would love a grainless HD version of the entire series, which would cost about £100, so Universal are loosing out big time on this one, because the grain in the series kills the HD, and should not be seen in a movie that is supposed to be filmed with way more advanced technology than our own. Ok so they want a realistic news report look, but a news report with this advanced technology would be higher tech than our HD.

I thought the grain in BSG suited the show very well, it presents it as a more rough and gritty series than it would otherwise and I am sure that is the effect they were going for.

If they suddenly removed all the grain and made the image pristine and pin sharp I am not sure it would be the same show, I know I personally wouldnt buy it.