Why do people not like HD-DVD combo's?

Jamz3k · 25-09-2007, 10:49 AM

as above, as i cant understand why this seems to be a no no for some people?

7hil · 25-09-2007, 10:57 AM

I like them cos of the convienience. I don't like the fact that they are more expensive though.

Lion · 25-09-2007, 11:08 AM

I love combos, I can watch them all round the house then instead of just my HD home cinema room.

Pecker · 25-09-2007, 11:08 AM

Negative hype.

I can only go on personal experience, but I've had only 2 films have problems on my HD-ED1, and only one was a combo.

I think if people have a problem with a disc and it's a combo, the problem automatically becomes attributable to the disc's combo status, whether it is or not.

Steve W

hottstuff · 25-09-2007, 11:12 AM

1. Extra price.
2. Im not interested in owning the SD version.
3. I don't like having to look at the disc to see if im putting in the correct side as it can lead to smudges , fingerprints etc.Im not a freak but i can handle discs without touching the playing side.

**Bald Monkey** · 25-09-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hottstuff

Im not a freak but i can handle discs without touching the playing side.

But we only have your word for that!!

Apart from the reasons mentioned already, one reason I dislike Combo's is that friends and family may still discover that they can infact borrow these ones...

It's bad enough trying to keep track of my SD's, and actually trying to get them back

well like I said less combos the better

hottstuff · 25-09-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bald Monkey

But we only have your word for that!!

Thanks

Pecker · 25-09-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hottstuff

1. Extra price.
2. Im not interested in owning the SD version.
3. I don't like having to look at the disc to see if im putting in the correct side as it can lead to smudges , fingerprints etc.Im not a freak but i can handle discs without touching the playing side.

1. It looks like combos are now going to be the same price as normal releases, and that the $5 extra is being abandoned;
2. You might not be interested, but why complain if it doesn't bother you;
3. It takes a second to llok to see which side to place upwards.

I believe prejudice against combos is just that - prejudice.

Apart from the extra price (now disappeared) there really is nothing wrong with them at all.

Just my opinion - best wishes.

Steve W

hottstuff · 25-09-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pecker

1. It looks like combos are now going to be the same price as normal releases, and that the $5 extra is being abandoned;
2. You might not be interested, but why complain if it doesn't bother you;
3. It takes a second to llok to see which side to place upwards.

I believe prejudice against combos is just that - prejudice.

Apart from the extra price (now disappeared) there really is nothing wrong with them at all.

Just my opinion - best wishes.

Steve W

Mate , i don't need to be convinced.
My 3rd point was not the fact that i need to check which side is the side i want , but the fact that why should i need to check and maybe cause dropping it and getting smudges.

Pecker · 25-09-2007, 12:51 PM

Personally, I just open the case, and look while I'm holding the case. In 10 years of owning DVDs, I can't remember ever dropping an opened case.

My problem isn't with people not liking combos - that's their choice.

It's with the rabid crusade against combos for reasons which, when thought about, you could drive a coach and horses through.

Steve W

hottstuff · 25-09-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pecker

Personally, I just open the case, and look while I'm holding the case. In 10 years of owning DVDs, I can't remember ever dropping an opened case.

My problem isn't with people not liking combos - that's their choice.

It's with the rabid crusade against combos for reasons which, when thought about, you could drive a coach and horses through.

Steve W

Well that wouldn't be the case mate if we had a choice now would it?
I don't have anything against combo's , apart from the fact that i must buy one if i want that movie.
If they do reduce the price thats good , but i still hate the fact that i have to look at another playing side when i open it up , rather than a cover of the movie.
It looks like a blank disc , i sometimes feel like getting my CD-R pen out!!!lol

Noggin1980 · 25-09-2007, 1:00 PM

Cost and lack of disc art (mostly because my wife mentions it everytime she opens a combo case "Oh it's one of THESE!, I never know which way up to put it"

)

I've never had a playability problem. Only 1 of my 50 HD-DVD's didn't work and that wasn't a combo and was just a bad disc the replacement worked fine.

I guess the added flexability is nice but I've never used it.

While I prefer non combos I'm not hugely bothered, I've never not brought a movie because it was a combo. If they get rid of the extra price for a combo then I'll be very happy. I too can't really see where the rabid anti combo people are coming from.

Pecker · 25-09-2007, 2:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hottstuff

It looks like a blank disc , i sometimes feel like getting my CD-R pen out!!!lol

DON'T DO IT!

Steve W

pRot3us · 25-09-2007, 2:57 PM

They cost more

hottstuff · 25-09-2007, 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pecker

DON'T DO IT!

Steve W

Well now that price will be as normal , i will be less cynical.

JAGUAR1977 · 25-09-2007, 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamz3k

as above, as i cant understand why this seems to be a no no for some people?

Cost and some layer change issues.

Sonic67 · 25-09-2007, 3:45 PM

1. They can cost more than a normal HD DVD.
2. I buy most of my disks from America so the DVD side is region 1 - also less useful.
3. It’s not immediately obvious which side is which unless you scrutinise the label.
4. May be issues on reliability from where the two sides where bonded.
5. If I do want the DVD in about 12 months it will probably be £5. After that it will probably be free on the newspapers.
6. The only real use might be as with the Paramount Star Trek set where there is no separate DVD only option and it forces people into owning HD DVD disks.

**Bald Monkey** · 25-09-2007, 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Cost and some layer change issues.

What layer change issues are you refering to ??

Noggin1980 · 25-09-2007, 4:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bald Monkey

What layer change issues are you refering to ??

He doesn't even have a HD DVD player

**Bald Monkey** · 25-09-2007, 4:04 PM

Ahhh... Cheers, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on something.

Moosh · 25-09-2007, 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bald Monkey

What layer change issues are you refering to ??

You know.. THE layer change issue. The one HD DVD have been keeping quite. But just to refresh your memory, it's the one that if you want to watch the SD side, you have to flip the disc over. I have to admit, that layer change issue is quite annoying. More annoying than my DV-868AVi layer change issue!

Cheers
Moosh

**Bald Monkey** · 25-09-2007, 4:33 PM

Ahh... but not as annoying as the empty glass issue that neither format has solved yet.

For those who dislike combos... an alternative is print off your own self adhesive labels, carefully place over SD side, Voila !! you have a non-combo... which if you really wanted and were carefull could soon be a combo again...

JAGUAR1977 · 25-09-2007, 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Noggin1980

He doesn't even have a HD DVD player

I had a Toshiba A1 a couple of months after the US launch and had my fair share of combo issues.

Regardless, why don't you read HDD's comment article from last week (from a supporter of HD-DVD) and the latest Digital Bits news, both highlight major issues with combos.

Lets be honest 99% of owners who frequent forums are well aware of these issues, it comes across as insincere to claim ignorance.

**Bald Monkey** · 25-09-2007, 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Regardless, why don't you read HDD's comment article from last week (from a supporter of HD-DVD) and the latest Digital Bits news, both highlight major issues with combos. .

I would if I didn't have plenty of my own combos with no problems at all....

And I have little interest in reading biased mis-information, particularly when it is contary to my own experience..

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Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Lets be honest 99% of owners are well aware of these issues, it doesn't help potential and current owners to try and cover this issue up.

Come on lets be really honest, you just made that Stat up didn't you, come on admit it!

Who's trying to cover anything up (apart form the SD side with some nice stickers

) what possible reason have I or others to cover this up??

Fine.... I hope everyone reading this thinks twice before buying a HD-DVD as it may not work? And you may have problems you didn't even know existed...

You still haven't said what "layer change" issue you were refering to BTW.

Moosh · 25-09-2007, 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

I had a Toshiba A1 a couple of months after the US launch and had my fair share of combo issues.

Regardless, why don't you read HDD's comment article from last week (from a supporter of HD-DVD) and the latest Digital Bits news, both highlight major issues with combos.

Lets be honest 99% of owners who frequent forums are well aware of these issues, it comes across as insincere to claim ignorance.

The Digital Bits (which is very pro Blu-ray) article is based on the article written by Josh at highdefdigest.com (which is very balanced). Some people have been having issues with Combos and some people haven't. Some who had, then didn't after a firmware update.

I don't think anybody here is hiding that fact. Why not ask the Digital Bits to write something about Josh's previous article?

As for the layer change issue - what layer change issue?

Cheers
Moosh

Kainz · 25-09-2007, 4:48 PM

1. Why should I pay more for a format I'm not going to ever use?

A lot of people will avoid the format because a dual format certain film they want is a lot more expensive than blu-ray. This could hurt hd-dvd in the long run imo.

Moosh · 25-09-2007, 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kainz

1. Why should I pay more for a format I'm not going to ever use?

A lot of people will avoid the format because a dual format certain film they want is a lot more expensive than blu-ray. This could hurt hd-dvd in the long run imo.

I agree with you. But...

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Originally Posted by Pecker

1. It looks like combos are now going to be the same price as normal releases, and that the $5 extra is being abandoned;
2. You might not be interested, but why complain if it doesn't bother you;
3. It takes a second to llok to see which side to place upwards.

I believe prejudice against combos is just that - prejudice.

Apart from the extra price (now disappeared) there really is nothing wrong with them at all.

Just my opinion - best wishes.

Steve W

Cheers
Moosh

JAGUAR1977 · 25-09-2007, 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mmahmed

The Digital Bits (which is very pro Blu-ray) article is based on the article written by Josh at highdefdigest.com (which is very balanced). Some people have been having issues with Combos and some people haven't. Some who had, then didn't after a firmware update.

I don't think anybody here is hiding that fact. Why not ask the Digital Bits to write something about Josh's previous article?

As for the layer change issue - what layer change issue?

Cheers
Moosh

Not layer change, wrong terminology, it's the process of gluing the combos that causes playback issues. It's a problem that isn't going away with the latest releases.

I just find it amazing on a thread about why consumers dislike combos, no one brought up playback issues, yet these posters are the very first to jump on threads about BD-J and 1.1.

Seems a little insincere to say the least.

Lion · 25-09-2007, 5:08 PM

blimey !
I must be the 1% that hasn't had any playback issues with any of my combo discs

I feel so lucky now.

Moosh · 25-09-2007, 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Noggin1980

{snip}
I've never had a playability problem. Only 1 of my 50 HD-DVD's didn't work and that wasn't a combo and was just a bad disc the replacement worked fine.
{/snip}

Noggin1980 brought it up.

Cheers
Moosh