New UK Panasonic BD players & recorders announced in Amsterdam (Post 30 full details)

alsina · 17-02-2009, 7:13 PM

No price or spec as yet, but two new 'Blu-ray Disc Recorder' products have appeared today on Panasonic's dealer site. The model numbers are:

DMR-BS750
DMR-BS850

Will be interesting to find out exactly what these are. Also listed are three new players:

DMP-B15
DMP-BD60
DMP-BD80

Further details when they arise.

Nic Rhodes · 17-02-2009, 9:20 PM

what tuner module is in these Freesat?

lfletcher · 17-02-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic Rhodes

what tuner module is in these Freesat?

I read a while ago that Panasonic were looking at Freesat with regards to their Blu-ray recorders in the UK. Considering the relationship they already have with it being into some of their tv's I would assume thats the case.

**Gavtech** · 18-02-2009, 11:34 AM

Purely a speculation - but the S in the model numbers may be indicative of a Freesat tuner; Digital Media Recorder Bluray Sat

JH4 · 18-02-2009, 12:05 PM

Could you give us a link - can't find it on the UK site.
Ta

xit2050 · 18-02-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JH4

Could you give us a link - can't find it on the UK site.
Ta

Because it isn't there.
No public access.

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Originally Posted by alsina

on Panasonic's dealer site.

murfy100 · 18-02-2009, 5:47 PM

Have a look at this I think some of the newer models in the UK will be capable of recording to Blu-ray discs:

Blu-ray Disc Recorder with 500GB HDD & Twin HD Tuner [DMR-BW500] - Panasonic Australia

The Gooner · 18-02-2009, 7:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gavtech

Purely a speculation - but the S in the model numbers may be indicative of a Freesat tuner; Digital Media Recorder Bluray Sat

Or it could be Silver

JH4 · 18-02-2009, 7:52 PM

Yeh, if it comes to the UK with a Freesat tuner and this spec. it will be well nigh perfect (apart from no HDMI 'In' socket of course - which we obviously can't expect, unfortunately.)
I'm salivating..

alsina · 18-02-2009, 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Gooner

Or it could be Silver

I had already removed the 'EBK' that is tagged onto the end of the part numbers which designates UK spec models in black. Silver models would end 'EBS'.

Full model no: DMR-BS750EBK etc.

JH4 · 18-02-2009, 8:11 PM

It's looking good>>
DVB - Digital Video Broadcasting - Product List

connon · 18-02-2009, 8:19 PM

Just beat me to that link

Looks like 3 models all with Freesat .
No freeview tuner as DVB-T not listed in spec

DMR-BS750EBK
Blu-ray/DVD Recorder with HDD & DVB-S/DVB-S2 tuner

DMR-BS850EBK
Blu-ray/DVD Recorder with HDD & DVB-S/DVB-S2 tuner

DMR-XS350EBK
Blu-ray/DVD Recorder with HDD & DVB-S/DVB-S2 tuner

Joe Sueiras · 18-02-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JH4

Yeh, if it comes to the UK with a Freesat tuner and this spec. it will be well nigh perfect (apart from no HDMI 'In' socket of course - which we obviously can't expect, unfortunately.)

Oh, really? Bum.

Would it be possible to loop the satellite input (or even two satellite inputs) through the Blu-Ray recorder and then to a Sky HD box?

Joe.

Hal_loe · 19-02-2009, 7:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Sueiras

Oh, really? Bum.

Would it be possible to loop the satellite input (or even two satellite inputs) through the Blu-Ray recorder and then to a Sky HD box?

Joe.

No you can't loop satellite inputs through in the same way as an standard aerial.

Your SKY HD box will have inputs from a dual LNB (if you have PVR facilities) on the satellite dish.

To feed a DVB-S2 tuner on a Blu-Ray Recorder as well as a SKY HD system you will require as many LNB feeds as receivers. That is of course assuming the FreeSat signal is in the same area as SKY HD.

Of course these recorders will NOT record from the SKY HD system.

Hope that helps.

Evil Engineer · 19-02-2009, 8:48 AM

Can't wait to see the price on these puppies.

That Australian model (A$ 2200) comes in at about a grand on current exchange rates.

You're going to have to seriously want Blu-ray archiving for that sort of money. The extra over a two box player/PVR combo will buy a lot of "Lark Rise to Candleford" box sets.

JH4 · 19-02-2009, 9:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hal_loe

No you can't loop satellite inputs through in the same way as an standard aerial.

Your SKY HD box will have inputs from a dual LNB (if you have PVR facilities) on the satellite dish.

To feed a DVB-S2 tuner on a Blu-Ray Recorder as well as a SKY HD system you will require as many LNB feeds as receivers. That is of course assuming the FreeSat signal is in the same area as SKY HD.

Of course these recorders will NOT record from the SKY HD system.

Hope that helps.

Sky HD and Freesat are both transmitted from 28Deg E, so a normal 4 output LNB feed from a Sky dish will be fine. ( 2 for Sky, 2 for the Panasonic.) Not much use if it won't record Freesat tho .. it must do !! No mention of a Freeview tuner (DVB-T) however, on that DVB site.

Hal_loe · 19-02-2009, 1:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JH4

Sky HD and Freesat are both transmitted from 28Deg E, so a normal 4 output LNB feed from a Sky dish will be fine. ( 2 for Sky, 2 for the Panasonic.) Not much use if it won't record Freesat tho .. it must do !! No mention of a Freeview tuner (DVB-T) however, on that DVB site.

Have to remember that there is FreeSat from Sky and FreeSat (from the BBC, ITV, Channel 4...). I would expect it to record the normal FreeSat as some Panasonic TV's have but in tuners, but not the system from Sky.....

You would need a Quad feed LNB on the dish and 4 cables from it.....

JH4 · 19-02-2009, 2:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hal_loe

You would need a Quad feed LNB on the dish and 4 cables from it.....

Yeh, a quad LNB is what Sky fit for a normal HD service - quite convenient, I thought !

Joe Sueiras · 19-02-2009, 6:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JH4

Yeh, a quad LNB is what Sky fit for a normal HD service - quite convenient, I thought !

Trouble is, I'm already using all 4 inputs for the Sky HD box downstairs and the Sky+ box in the bedroom. Even if it's possible to upgrade the LNB, the thought of running yet more cables from the dish doesn't appeal.

Would it be feasible to use some kind of switch box to toggle the satellite feed between a Blu-Ray recorder and Sky?

Joe.

JH4 · 19-02-2009, 6:43 PM

If it was me, I would simply put a second dish up - they are cheap enough. Then you'll have an independant Freesat system.

Joe Sueiras · 19-02-2009, 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JH4

If it was me, I would simply put a second dish up - they are cheap enough. Then you'll have an independant Freesat system.

I already have a second dish for foreign channels. Three might be pushing it.

Joe.

JohnG · 19-02-2009, 9:18 PM

I suspect that the recordings may be "crippled" in some way so that if you want the perfect version you'll have to buy the Blu-Ray DVD instead.
Also, I really don't fancy having all my recordings with DOGs on them

JH4 · 19-02-2009, 9:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnG

I suspect that the recordings may be "crippled" in some way so that if you want the perfect version you'll have to buy the Blu-Ray DVD instead.
Also, I really don't fancy having all my recordings with DOGs on them

Trouble is a lot of HD stuff never makes it to BD, unfortunately.
I'm still waiting for 'Titanic' and 'The Concert for George' to be released on BD. Yawn..
Let alone that Joanna Lumley Northern Lights prog..
(As an aside, the Concert for George has been shown on the Sky Arts HD channnel, but not in HD, even though it was originally filmed with HD cameras - go figure..)

Evil Engineer · 20-02-2009, 8:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnG

I suspect that the recordings may be "crippled" in some way so that if you want the perfect version you'll have to buy the Blu-Ray DVD instead.
Also, I really don't fancy having all my recordings with DOGs on them

The broadcast HD version is always going to be "crippled" compared to the Blu-ray version (if it exists).

1080i rather than 1080p, lower bit rate with probable visible compression artifacts and a standard Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack at best.

That may be enough, you pays your money and makes your choice. But if the Blu-ray don't exist you don't get a choice.

pat clancy · 20-02-2009, 8:29 AM

i wonder will they record in 5.1 from tuners

JohnG · 20-02-2009, 8:43 AM

I for one don't fancy paying £8 a time for blank DVDs only to get a recording that's not really the best. I'm OK with DVDs costing 20 pence each and giving the quality that we get now, but I really can't see the point in spending that much on having a hard copy of something that isn't top notch.

Evil Engineer · 20-02-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnG

I for one don't fancy paying £8 a time for blank DVDs only to get a recording that's not really the best. I'm OK with DVDs costing 20 pence each and giving the quality that we get now, but I really can't see the point in spending that much on having a hard copy of something that isn't top notch.

You can buy a blank single layer BD-R for 6 quid but the point remains valid.

But will the machine let you burn AVCHD discs using standard DVD media?

JH4 · 20-02-2009, 2:38 PM

I think we may have the answers in the next week or so. I read somewhere that there is a Panasonic press release due soon.

Smith2004 · 24-02-2009, 10:58 PM

Apparently, they're on their way!

**Phil Hinton** · 27-02-2009, 1:30 AM

AVForums attended the Panasonic convention in Amsterdam over the last few days and you can get the full information of the new BD products in the front page news story here Panasonic Convention 2009 Amsterdam - Product launch

There will be a video published in a few days with further information and a closer look at the products.