Harman Kardon DVD 22

sjp1966 · 27-08-2006, 10:48 PM

Hi

I wonder if someone could help me? I have a DVD22 which is connected to a Phillips 30" 30PF9975 LCD TV.

Now the TV has a Digital Options Menu which allows three differnt types on connection, Progressive, Movie Plus and Pixel Plus, the manual says this about them:

Pixel Plus is the most ideal setting, doubles the horizontal
resolution and increases the number of lines with 33%.
You may consider to select Movie Plus in case a halo effect
should disturb you. Dependent on your own preference, select
Progressive scan.

Now in the menu (OSD) of the DVD player there is a setup option, Interlaced or Progressive.

If i place it on interlaced, i can choose a scart Video Output and an RGB Scart output. However if i place it on Progressive i can only choose a component video output and a composite scart output.

I assume that RGB is better than composite so i have left it on that setting, however that means it is set to interlaced rather than progressive. I am not sure what this actually means in real terms and wonder if someone could explain the best way of setting this up.

Thanks in advance

gingerone · 28-08-2006, 7:10 AM

Component progressive is far better than scart but you would need your dvd player connected to your TV by component leads(red, green, blue leads).
If your TV has component connections you should use these.

sjp1966 · 29-08-2006, 6:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gingerone

Component progressive is far better than scart but you would need your dvd player connected to your TV by component leads(red, green, blue leads).
If your TV has component connections you should use these.

Yes it does have these connections, thanks, i will purchase a set on component connections.

sjp1966 · 29-08-2006, 7:34 PM

OK, I bought come component connections, plugged them into the TV and the DVD and set the DVD to progressive.

The picture cam up but it was push over to the right which i sorted by setting the TV to PAL rather than Auto, however there are now 2 problems.

1, The picture shakes slightly from left to right
2, there is interfearance (a bit like tracking on a video recrder) at the bottom of the screen.

I can't seen to work out what is wrong, has anyone experienced this before? the TV is a Phillips 30" 30PF9975 LCD TV. below is a pic (albeit blurry) where you can see what i mean in the bottom left, i thought the problems was only with region 1 disks, as charlie and the chocolate factory seemd to work ok, but then ice age, which is region 2 had the same problem

sjp1966 · 30-08-2006, 7:00 AM

after reading the dvd manual i can confirm that progressive should be ok on NTSC and PAL format so it should not be the region of disk that is causing the issue here. Has no-one encountered this before?

sjp1966 · 30-08-2006, 1:01 PM

ok, after some investigation, i found an article here: http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-...?reviewid=4542 which says the following when talking about connections? i

...and a single set of component video
RCAs. Strangely, the latter won’t accept
standard 576i from a DVD player but will
accept 576p PAL progressive scan, so those
with decks that only feed interlaced signals
can’t use the connection. However, you can
pipe high-def 1080i from a D-VHS player.
For those who don’t own a PAL
progressive scan DVD deck there are RGB
Scart, S-video and composite video
alternatives.

am not sure if this is relevant for me as further on in the article it says:

Movie Plus is disabled when using
component video input, but this isn’t
a problem as, for example, PAL prog
scan pictures fed from Harman
Kardon’s DVD30 looked sublime.

I have a DVD 22 which is the next model down so they have been viewed on HK kit in these tests, what i am wondering though is could this be a problem with my region 1 disks as everything above mentions PAL

although Philips confirm that the TV is NTSC compatable, but quite frankly im lost

Graham_E · 30-08-2006, 11:04 PM

turn off pixel plus, i'm uessing to "prog scan".

pixel plus is (as i've been told, don't take it as a fact =) ), a way of making non interlaced signals progressive.

sjp1966 · 31-08-2006, 7:06 AM

Pixel plus is off on the TV, both the TV and DVD are set to progressive scan, but in all honesty the problems with the pic are there no matter if it is on prog scan or pixel plus.

the TV is supposed to accept 576p PAL progressive scan, mine is a progressive scan multi region, i am wondering if this is the problem

Matt Horne · 31-08-2006, 8:47 AM

Turn off the prog scan on the dvd player and let the tv do the work (use pixel plus for example) I doubt the dvd players progscan chip do a better job than the tv... (set the tv back to auto otherwise NTSC dvd's will probably judder)

Matt

sjp1966 · 31-08-2006, 9:22 AM

I would, but after reading some blurb on the TV it will only accept a progressive scan component connection, it will not accept an interlaced component connection.

See paste from the article below

..and a single set of component video
RCAs. Strangely, the latter won’t accept
standard 576i from a DVD player but will
accept 576p PAL progressive scan, so those
with decks that only feed interlaced signals
can’t use the connection. However, you can
pipe high-def 1080i from a D-VHS player.
For those who don’t own a PAL
progressive scan DVD deck there are RGB
Scart, S-video and composite video
alternatives.

am not sure if this is relevant for me as further on in the article it says:

Movie Plus is disabled when using
component video input, but this isn’t
a problem as, for example, PAL prog
scan pictures fed from Harman
Kardon’s DVD30 looked sublime.

So from this i gather that Progressive HAS to be on, on the DVD Player. as there is no picture on the Ypbpr channel if the DVD is set to Interlaced. So i am sconfused, if the TV only accepts progressive scan component connections, and the DVD provides that why these problems are occuring.

So basically it (i assume) is a limitation with the TV, so i again assume that i will need to use RGB scart until i change the TV

Matt Horne · 31-08-2006, 9:41 AM

What a strange lcd... Have you got a friend with a different player to try ?

Sounds like RGB Scart will have to do as you said..

Matt Horne · 31-08-2006, 9:43 AM

I would search the forums for your tv... :

http://www.avforums.com/forums/archi.../t-143983.html

sjp1966 · 31-08-2006, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Horne

What a strange lcd... Have you got a friend with a different player to try ?

Sounds like RGB Scart will have to do as you said..

I will ask around, not sure if my mates have any with componenet, but wont hurt to ask

sjp1966 · 31-08-2006, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Horne

I would search the forums for your tv... :

http://www.avforums.com/forums/archi.../t-143983.html

Thankd for that link, very handy, weird though in that it says it accepts an 1080i connection, i thought eh i stood for interlaced, where it already says the TV doesnt accept an Interlaced component connection.

I hope it is the TV at fault, my rental comapny can take it back and give me a shiny new one

dingwall · 31-08-2006, 10:22 AM

If the TV is set to PAL, then make sure the DVD is set to PAL. (Or both on AUTO).

Otherwise, a strange one. Of course, could be the cable as well...

Scart would probably have been just as good for PQ anyway.

sjp1966 · 31-08-2006, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dingwall

If the TV is set to PAL, then make sure the DVD is set to PAL. (Or both on AUTO).

Otherwise, a strange one. Of course, could be the cable as well...

Scart would probably have been just as good for PQ anyway.

DVD is set to PAL, TV i cannto alter, but it is set to PAL (according to Philips anyway), as for scart and pic quality i am begining to think your right, it was a good quality RGB scart too, oh well

dingwall · 31-08-2006, 10:47 AM

Sorry - I suggested that because you said you'd set the TV to PAL.

Is this happening on both NTSC and PAL discs? (Does not necessarily correlate with region).

PS I hope your telly is buggered too! (I mean instead of the DVD player, not as well as..oh you know what I mean)

sjp1966 · 31-08-2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dingwall

Sorry - I suggested that because you said you'd set the TV to PAL.

Is this happening on both NTSC and PAL discs? (Does not necessarily correlate with region).

PS I hope your telly is buggered too! (I mean instead of the DVD player, not as well as..oh you know what I mean)

Well what is strange is this, i put in a region 2 disk (charlie and the chocolate factory) and it seemed fine, so i them put in a region 1 disk (Doom - yeah yeah i know im sorry) and the problems started happening, then if i put Charlie and the choc factory back in the problem sometimes went and sometimes stayed, so it seems that a region 1 disk throws it out, but then i tried Blade 2 (after powering off and on) region1 and it was fine, so it seems initially to be determind by the disk. one other thing it does it the picture slightly shakes from side to side.

If they do chaneg the TV whats the betting that they have another of the same model Grrrrr

dingwall · 31-08-2006, 11:02 AM

Not to put a spanner in the works, but I am on my third DVD22 due to transport problems (freezing and jumping) so they're not the most reliable bit of kit in the world. Cracking sound mind and damn does it look sexy in black!

sjp1966 · 31-08-2006, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dingwall

Not to put a spanner in the works, but I am on my third DVD22 due to transport problems (freezing and jumping) so they're not the most reliable bit of kit in the world. Cracking sound mind and damn does it look sexy in black!

I hope that isnt the case, i had no end of problems with the previous DVD player AND the AVR 8500 AMP, i know have the AVR 7300 and the DVD 22, both of which have been fine for now, i may take the dvd around a mates house to check the connection.

thanks for the info though

sjp1966 · 01-09-2006, 1:02 PM

Yayyyy they are changing the TV as they could not replicate the problem with another TV and another DVD (although that means nothing to my connection setup)

Booooo - i think it will be the same model

the thing is now if they plug it all in and it is the same problem then it means my DVD is the problem, i will be taking it around a mates who has a sony KDLV2000 to test

sjp1966 · 01-09-2006, 2:09 PM

WHEN TVs GO BAD

Damn, new TV came (although same model) and the same problem, looks like it is the DVD player.

dingwall · 01-09-2006, 2:21 PM

Remember to take your cable and check that too. Still could be any one of the three at fault, chin up. Heh.

sjp1966 · 01-09-2006, 2:31 PM

I have arranged to take both Player and Cable to the shop local to me tomorrow to check both out. I am hoping it is a quirk with the TV, after reading the bit that says...

...when talking about connections? i

...and a single set of component video
RCAs. Strangely, the latter won’t accept
standard 576i from a DVD player but will
accept 576p PAL progressive scan, so those
with decks that only feed interlaced signals
can’t use the connection. However, you can
pipe high-def 1080i from a D-VHS player.
For those who don’t own a PAL
progressive scan DVD deck there are RGB
Scart, S-video and composite video
alternatives.

am not sure if this is relevant for me as further on in the article it says:

Movie Plus is disabled when using
component video input, but this isn’t
a problem as, for example, PAL prog
scan pictures fed from Harman
Kardon’s DVD30 looked sublime.

but i guess i wont know for sure until tomorrow, although i will be digging out my paperwork as im hoping if it is the player it maybe under guarantee

sjp1966 · 04-09-2006, 7:36 AM

it would seem that it is a quirk with the TV

Rental company brought another TV and it had the same problem, i though it was the player or the cable.

took both the player and the cable to a specialist shop, plugged it in and all is ok, so anyone with a philpps 30pf9975 you may find you have the same issue when connecting via component.