[Mr_Sukebe]

Earlier this year, I did a comparison between a BD35 and a PS3. Out of the bag, the BD35 looked a little more punchy.
However, I played with the video calibration settings on my projector, and the result was that I could happily get the PS3 to look (to me) indistinguishable from the BD35.
That suggested to me that Panny were simply playing the equivalent of the "loudness wars" with their BD players.

More recently, I was in a Sony shop, and it got me thinking. Sony TVs are generally setup to be eye bleedingly vibrant whilst on show. Initially impressive it might be, but it's far from realistic.
So is it possible that the PS3 and other similar Sony BD players are designed to work in conjunction with their own TVs, and as part of that are a little deliberately "toned down" in the video area.
The result being that if you put a PS3 on say a Panny plasma and compare it with say a Pioneer BD player, that maybe the Pioneer is not so "toned down", and as a result looks more vibrant?

It would be interesting if other people who have multiple BD players could run a few tests to see whether there's some mileage in this idea, or whether I'm simply barking up the wrong tree.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Mr_Sukebe

Earlier this year, I did a comparison between a BD35 and a PS3. Out of the bag, the BD35 looked a little more punchy.
However, I played with the video calibration settings on my projector, and the result was that I could happily get the PS3 to look (to me) indistinguishable from the BD35.
That suggested to me that Panny were simply playing the equivalent of the "loudness wars" with their BD players.

More recently, I was in a Sony shop, and it got me thinking. Sony TVs are generally setup to be eye bleedingly vibrant whilst on show. Initially impressive it might be, but it's far from realistic.
So is it possible that the PS3 and other similar Sony BD players are designed to work in conjunction with their own TVs, and as part of that are a little deliberately "toned down" in the video area.
The result being that if you put a PS3 on say a Panny plasma and compare it with say a Pioneer BD player, that maybe the Pioneer is not so "toned down", and as a result looks more vibrant?

It would be interesting if other people who have multiple BD players could run a few tests to see whether there's some mileage in this idea, or whether I'm simply barking up the wrong tree.

It's certainly possible that manufacturers tweak elements of the image to create visual differentiation.

Some example of this including the PS3 can be seen here - September and October - Blu-ray player shootout

These images in the link are raw capture from the players not influenced by a brand of display. Personally I don't think players are tweaked to work better with a brand of display.

AVI

[Mr_Sukebe]

Originally Posted by Avi

Personally I don't think players are tweaked to work better with a brand of display.

Wouldn't you expect Sony to build it's BD players to work at their best with their own TVs?

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Mr_Sukebe

Wouldn't you expect Sony to build it's BD players to work at their best with their own TVs?

Did you have chance to read the article I linked ?

Also what does work at "their best" really mean ? What happens if you accurately calibrate a Sony TV that means it's different to it's default showroom settings ?

Pioneer have a preset option on some of their Blu-ray models that they it claims is optimum for use with their PDP's. If I recall correctly it plays with gamma level.

I believe it's possible and proven in some cases that manufacturers tweak their product to produce visual differentiation. If you download and compare the Denon image to the others in the article you should see a difference in gamma.

If the display chain is calibrated to a standard this may equalize differences such as gamma etc hence why some people may notice a difference and others don't.

AVI