Yamaha YSP-30D & YSP40D Discussion Thread

[onkeh]

Welcome to the YSP-30D/40D thread! (YSP-3000/4000 outside of Europe) These models are the follow up to the YSP-700/1100 models. They now feature HDMI repeater systems (2 in, 1 out) as well as DAB and video-upscaling (40D only).

RRP
YSP-30D - £799
YSP-40D - £1199

Dimensions in mm (WxHxD):
30D - 800x155x152 - 11.5 kg
40D - 1030x198x144 - 16 kg

FAQ
Q. What are they?
A. Sound projectors, otherwise known as "surround emulation". If you are unable to have speakers all over the place (or just hate wiring), a sound projector will provide 5.1 emulation from a single box.

Q. Does it work?
A. Yes! Obviously it's never going to be as good as a proper 5.1 system, but as alternatives go, it's pretty top notch. Other major brands also produce sound projectors, such as Bose, B&O and Wharfedale, so this isn't some bodge-job one-off that doesn't work.

Q. I don't understand! Explain more!
A. That's not a question The sound projector contains dozens of smaller speakers which, once caliberated, fire sound beams in various directions which bounce around the room and come at you from all angles, just like a 5.1 system.

Q. Do I still need an amp?
A. No! Both the new range models include HDMI repeater systems, 2 coax inputs, 2 optical inputs and DAB for an all-in-one soluion. The 40D also features analogue video upscaling to 720p/1080i.

Q. What's the difference between the 30D and 40D?
A. Apart from size and weight (see above), the 30D contains half the number of speakers compared to the 40D, providing half the wattage (42W vs 80W). The 40D also includes 3 sets of component ports (2 in, 1 out) and video HD upscaling for all analogue input sources.

Q. Where can I get more info?
A. They have their own site. Check here: http://www.digitalsoundprojectors.co.uk/

Q. Do I need a sub? Can I attach one?
A. They are advertised as not requiring one, however they can be attached and many users of the previous models have said that they benefit greatly from doing so.

Q. Is there a compatible iPod dock I can use with this?
A. Yes, Yamaha make their own (YDS-10), though it is rather pricey.

Q. Where's the cheapest I can buy these currently?
A. Here for 30D and here for the 40D.

[onkeh]

OK seems there's a 3000 model too, according to the comparison, the 4000 puts out a higher wattage, has component passthrough and analogue/digital upscaling (to 1080i). It also has a serial port but I have no idea why you'd want one of those.. connect a 10 year old mouse maybe Ooo decisions, decisions!

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/soundprojectors/

I rang up Yamaha UK and they said they'll be coming out over here around October time, but will carry different model numbers. The guy didn't know (or wouldn't say) what differences the Euro version will have to warrant a new model number (definitely no scart input/upscaling), so I guess we'll have to wait a few weeks for specifics My guess could be DAB since the US version features XM sat. radio.

[onkeh]

OK according to this Euro press release, it gives prices:

http://www.cinenow.com/uk/view-press-release-814.html

YSP-3000, 900 euros
Available as of October 2007
Housing finish: silver, black

YSP-4000, 1300 euros
Available as of October 2007
Housing finish: silver, black

[onkeh]

Well I guess I'm the only one excited by this

[thfccambs]

Looks like it might be time to change my YSP-1.

[onkeh]

Originally Posted by hunts1uk

Looks like it might be time to change my YSP-1.

How "surround" like is the surround, in your opinion?

[onkeh]

Looks like Yamaha have a website just for these things, surprise surprise, no mention of the new range despite the apparent release being only a month away

http://www.digitalsoundprojectors.co.uk

[charliecossie]

How does HDMI pass through (AKA HDMI switching) allow you to listen to SACD?

[onkeh]

Originally Posted by charliecossie

How does HDMI pass through (AKA HDMI switching) allow you to listen to SACD?

Via a PS3. SACD won't output over optical because of lack of HDCP.

[charliecossie]

You're confused.
HDMI switching does not mean an amp will process an audio signal.

[Chris Moseley]

Hi

The YSP3000 and YSP4000 will not be UK models. Instead we will have two UK models. Won't post any specs or differences as I'll be breaking forum rules. I will say, to answer the confusion regarding the HDMI discussion though, that all have HDMI v1.3a repeater systems - not just passthrough switches.

Regards

Chris Moseley
Yamaha UK

[onkeh]

Originally Posted by charliecossie

You're confused.
HDMI switching does not mean an amp will process an audio signal.

Heck! Can you please explain a little bit more, this whole decent audio thing is new to me! (been using TV speakers me whole life lol)

As I understand it, if you have your PS3 connected to an amp via optical, SACDs won't output anything more than 2-channel due to HDCP.

Where as if you have your PS3 connected to the YSP via HDMI, then have the YSP connected to the TV via HDMI, that should work right? since the audio is entering the YSP (and playing through the speaker) and the video is being passed to the TV? Is that not right?? What's the point of even having the switch if it doesn't support HDMI audio? I might as well just connect the PS3 directly to the TV and then run an optical cable between the PS3 and the YSP.. what a bummer, I'll probably just get the 1100 then, save a few quid

[Chris Moseley]

Hi onkeh

Originally Posted by onkeh

As I understand it, if you have your PS3 connected to an amp via optical, SACDs won't output anything more than 2-channel due to HDCP.

Almost correct - due to licensing and the SPDIF (the optical and coaxial connections) standard you can not send DSD down this connection. Only HDMI (v1.2a or above) has the potential to support this signal. Very few source devices output DSD though - again due to licensing

Originally Posted by onkeh

Where as if you have your PS3 connected to the YSP via HDMI, then have the YSP connected to the TV via HDMI, that should work right? since the audio is entering the YSP (and playing through the speaker) and the video is being passed to the TV? Is that not right?? What's the point of even having the switch if it doesn't support HDMI audio? I might as well just connect the PS3 directly to the TV and then run an optical cable between the PS3 and the YSP.. what a bummer, I'll probably just get the 1100 then, save a few quid

Exactly right. Some products are available with an HDMI switch - which does not allow audio processing. As you say these are largly pointless as they offer no functionality at all other than an extra HDMI input for your TV. They can not deal with the new audio formats offered by HDMI connections. Other products (such as the YSP30D and 40D) have HDMI repeater systems - which switch between HDMI sources but also process audio. What you want is an HDMI repeater.

Regards

Chris Moseley
Yamaha UK

[ruffage]

Originally Posted by onkeh

Well I guess I'm the only one excited by this

Nope, I'll join the party. I've been on the fence looking at the YSP's for some time, and now my wallet has a heartbeat again.

Can anyone confirm if the YSP-1100 or newer models have the ability to tweak the audio delay, as I'm worried about lip sync issues that seem to occur with receivers?

[onkeh]

Originally Posted by Chris Moseley

Hi onkeh



Almost correct - due to licensing and the SPDIF (the optical and coaxial connections) standard you can not send DSD down this connection. Only HDMI (v1.2a or above) has the potential to support this signal. Very few source devices output DSD though - again due to licensing



Exactly right. Some products are available with an HDMI switch - which does not allow audio processing. As you say these are largly pointless as they offer no functionality at all other than an extra HDMI input for your TV. They can not deal with the new audio formats offered by HDMI connections. Other products (such as the YSP30D and 40D) have HDMI repeater systems - which switch between HDMI sources but also process audio. What you want is an HDMI repeater.

Regards

Chris Moseley
Yamaha UK

Ah-ha, so the new YSPs WILL do what I want! Fantastic! Roll on October..