[benpyett]

Originally Posted by Nitro626

Do you have to set speaker impedance on the 2021 like its sister model, LX55 is it?

Yes you are meant to set the impedance if you intend to use speakers of 6Ohm although I have this impedance speakers and haven't bothered as have read that it's unnecessary, along as you use some common sense with your volume dial

It is recommended that you do not use speakers below 6Ohms

[mark133]

Originally Posted by mark133

Okay been having a bit of a play and im thinking its the amp causing the problem.

HDMI 1 out into Plasma etc
HDMI 2 out into a projector

plug a pc/laptop with HDMI out into amp

select HDMI 1 out and select PC/Laptop (both are NVIDIA) as source OK

select HDMI 2 out and select PC/Laptop (both are NVIDIA) as source BAD image is offset

select HDMI ALL out and select PC/Laptop as source everything is okay as long as i have Projector and plasma on at the same time, if i turn the plasma off the image shifts and becomes offset on the projector



Dont know if anyone has the time or similar setup that they could try this?

Cheers

Mark

Hi all thought I would just update you all as I have progress

All is working, I can see my Optoma 3d projector via my Pioneer VSX2021

This link is what sorted it for me: http://forums.nvidia...howtopic=191096

Hope it helps

Ive attached all 3 .inf so you can see what i started with and the final .inf file ie.Pioneer VSX2021 and Optoma HD67N.inf

Cheers

Mark

[R B Customs]

Originally Posted by jawilson59

How is ur pioneer connected to home network? Pioneer wl300 or direct wired to hub?

It's connected to an unmanaged netgear 8 port gigabit switch - the switch is connected to the NAS and the router. The switch is new to the setup to be honest and has not made a difference - I've always had this issue. each device - the NAS, router and switch are connected with 50cm cat6 cables, all brand new.

This error happens on my Ipod touch too. It's pretty much every time the phone / ipod locks or gets left a lone for a bit it looses it and when you go back to the app you have to select the product, wait for it to refresh, sometimes manually refresh it a few times before it finds it. and then go back through the menus to gain control again. It's very annoying if the phone rings or something and you just want to quickly mute / adjust volume.
I've set my phones wifi to always stay on, even when locked / in standby.

I'm streaming music from it now, I last used the app when I started typing this - I have not locked my phone and I've just gone back to it to skip an annoying song and I'm back to that error.

To add to all of this, the app is now not displaying anything in any lists from the HMG. they appear on the screen of the reciever and the TV but not on the app any more. there's just a list of 'UNKNOW' (not even 'unknowN' and when you choose one of them you get an even longer list of 'UNKNOW'
Lists from my connected Ipod are showing and playing fine, so I've gone back to using that for now.
I've tried all of the usual steps - un installing apps, powercycling netwrok equipment etc etc nothing has worked so far.

My phone is a nexus S running android 4.0, but wad the same when I was on android 2.3.5. The ipod is running ios5.



My next problem is even more disapointing. one of the main reasons I bought this amp was so that I could use zones 2 and 3. I knew it would be a while before I had the equipment in place in my extra zones and made sure I talked everything through with the reps at the AV show to ensure that it would do what I wanted.

I've just got a little amp and some speakers for the bedroom and connected it up using the pre-outs for zone 2 from the reciever. The app (when It's connected) lets me turn the zone on (yey!) and choose the source, choose the music - brilliant so far! but the volume knob is greyed out!
Am I missing something obvious here? I want to set the zone 2 amp to a set value (use it as a poweramp pretty much) and use the Pioneer to control the volume. My understanding of a 'pre-out' would allow me to do exactly this.

I was also told that this amp had powered zone 2 (by the rep) and remember discussing whether it would be best to run pre-outs or speaker cables to speakers tot he second zone. It seems like even that isn't possible though - the amp seems to have 'powered zone B' rather than ' powered zone 2' - so it's just a stereo version of the main 'zone'

Does anyone else use the extra zones on this amp on a regular basis? I'm getting pretty fed up of every discovery I'm making with this amp in practice, despite going through every possible flaw like this before I bought it.

sorry for bringing so much negativity to this thread guys - This amp was genuinly my favourite on demo and looked like it ticked every box and more.

[jawilson59]

Originally Posted by R B Customs

It's connected to an unmanaged netgear 8 port gigabit switch - the switch is connected to the NAS and the router. The switch is new to the setup to be honest and has not made a difference - I've always had this issue. each device - the NAS, router and switch are connected with 50cm cat6 cables, all brand new.

This error happens on my Ipod touch too. It's pretty much every time the phone / ipod locks or gets left a lone for a bit it looses it and when you go back to the app you have to select the product, wait for it to refresh, sometimes manually refresh it a few times before it finds it. and then go back through the menus to gain control again. It's very annoying if the phone rings or something and you just want to quickly mute / adjust volume.
I've set my phones wifi to always stay on, even when locked / in standby.

I'm streaming music from it now, I last used the app when I started typing this - I have not locked my phone and I've just gone back to it to skip an annoying song and I'm back to that error.

To add to all of this, the app is now not displaying anything in any lists from the HMG. they appear on the screen of the reciever and the TV but not on the app any more. there's just a list of 'UNKNOW' (not even 'unknowN' and when you choose one of them you get an even longer list of 'UNKNOW'
Lists from my connected Ipod are showing and playing fine, so I've gone back to using that for now.
I've tried all of the usual steps - un installing apps, powercycling netwrok equipment etc etc nothing has worked so far.

My phone is a nexus S running android 4.0, but wad the same when I was on android 2.3.5. The ipod is running ios5.

My next problem is even more disapointing. one of the main reasons I bought this amp was so that I could use zones 2 and 3. I knew it would be a while before I had the equipment in place in my extra zones and made sure I talked everything through with the reps at the AV show to ensure that it would do what I wanted.

I've just got a little amp and some speakers for the bedroom and connected it up using the pre-outs for zone 2 from the reciever. The app (when It's connected) lets me turn the zone on (yey!) and choose the source, choose the music - brilliant so far! but the volume knob is greyed out!
Am I missing something obvious here? I want to set the zone 2 amp to a set value (use it as a poweramp pretty much) and use the Pioneer to control the volume. My understanding of a 'pre-out' would allow me to do exactly this.

I was also told that this amp had powered zone 2 (by the rep) and remember discussing whether it would be best to run pre-outs or speaker cables to speakers tot he second zone. It seems like even that isn't possible though - the amp seems to have 'powered zone B' rather than ' powered zone 2' - so it's just a stereo version of the main 'zone'

Does anyone else use the extra zones on this amp on a regular basis? I'm getting pretty fed up of every discovery I'm making with this amp in practice, despite going through every possible flaw like this before I bought it.

sorry for bringing so much negativity to this thread guys - This amp was genuinly my favourite on demo and looked like it ticked every box and more.

U sure u have speaker setting right? Shld be zone 2? Manual def says 5.1 source in main room and different stereo source in zone 2 using powered spkr outputs.

If urs isnt doing that perhaps theres smthg wrong, or we all have more gripes than we knew about!!

[jawilson59]

New query

Both stereo and digital outputs (coax and opt) on my denon 1930 dvd player. Was gonna connect one of this up for cd playback and allocate it to the cd source on the amp. Is there any benefit in sending cd audio to the amp via digital instead of stereo?

[dante01]

Originally Posted by jawilson59

New query

Both stereo and digital outputs (coax and opt) on my denon 1930 dvd player. Was gonna connect one of this up for cd playback and allocate it to the cd source on the amp. Is there any benefit in sending cd audio to the amp via digital instead of stereo?

It depends on the player in question. A high end player is more likely to have better onboard DACs so its digital to analogue conversion will result in a superior analogue signal than lesser DACs on a budget AV receiver. But the DACS onboard some higher end AV amps outperform those found on some budget CD players so it may be better to send the digital stream to the amp to convert rather than let the CD player do it onboard. Your ears are the best judge of which to use

[mark133]

Originally Posted by jawilson59

U sure u have speaker setting right? Shld be zone 2? Manual def says 5.1 source in main room and different stereo source in zone 2 using powered spkr outputs.

If urs isnt doing that perhaps theres smthg wrong, or we all have more gripes than we knew about!!

Hi ive just wired my zone 2 into the kitchen and all is working along with iControlAV have full and seperate control over the volume in each zone.

My setup is 5.1 in the main room and zone 2 is connected to the surround back.

Just remembered I did have a greyed out Vol control in iControlAV but this rectified itself by turning the amp off and then back on.

[jawilson59]

Originally Posted by mark133

Hi ive just wired my zone 2 into the kitchen and all is working along with iControlAV have full and seperate control over the volume in each zone.

My setup is 5.1 in the main room and zone 2 is connected to the surround back.

Just remembered I did have a greyed out Vol control in iControlAV but this rectified itself by turning the amp off and then back on.

Nice one!

[mark133]

Originally Posted by jawilson59

U sure u have speaker setting right? Shld be zone 2? Manual def says 5.1 source in main room and different stereo source in zone 2 using powered spkr outputs.

If urs isnt doing that perhaps theres smthg wrong, or we all have more gripes than we knew about!!

Thought I would just check you have set that option in the HOME MENU/SYSTEM SETUP/MANUAL SP SETUP/SPEAKER SYSTEM

[KWB1]

Whats the difference between this Amp and the Pioneer VSX -LX55 other than £300?

[jawilson59]

Inclusion of the wifi and bluetooth adaptors i think

[benpyett]

Originally Posted by jawilson59

Inclusion of the wifi and bluetooth adaptors i think

You're absolutely right although I only thought the wifi adapter was included, although those adapters can be purchased for half that price

[Speedluvver]

It has a metal front too... The 2021 is plastic - although you have to look closely to see...

[jawilson59]

Can anyone confirm if the audio input selector can be setup for each individual source or is i global?

I.e. the manual doesnt explicity state ( unlike onkyo) that the audio selector can be chosen for each channel, signal sel function on the pioneer. This would mean that when watchin sky hd ( and thus digital optical was preffered over hdmi) that i would have to swich to hdmi prioritisation for the dvd player or ps3 etc which wld be bitstreaming, hopefully it does or this is another black mark against the pioneer.....

These functions are referenced on pages 28 & 38 of the manual.

Can anyone confirm is it individual or global?

[benpyett]

Originally Posted by jawilson59

Can anyone confirm if the audio input selector can be setup for each individual source or is i global?

I.e. the manual doesnt explicity state ( unlike onkyo) that the audio selector can be chosen for each channel, signal sel function on the pioneer. This would mean that when watchin sky hd ( and thus digital optical was preffered over hdmi) that i would have to swich to hdmi prioritisation for the dvd player or ps3 etc which wld be bitstreaming, hopefully it does or this is another black mark against the pioneer.....

These functions are referenced on pages 28 & 38 of the manual.

Can anyone confirm is it individual or global?

My understanding is that it can be configured for each AV channel (ie BD, TV, BD/DVD etc)....I'm not at home now so not near 2021....but each channel has a page somewhere where the name, whether it shows up, etc is setup and at this point the default channel audio inputs are configured.

[jawilson59]

Originally Posted by benpyett

My understanding is that it can be configured for each AV channel (ie BD, TV, BD/DVD etc)....I'm not at home now so not near 2021....but each channel has a page somewhere where the name, whether it shows up, etc is setup and at this point the default channel audio inputs are configured.

Ok, can u confirm later if u get the chance.

I rem seeing some posts where people who thought they had correctly allocated optical digital i puts for sky etc where still getting hdmi stereo and had to cycle through the audio inputs using signal sel. If this was the case then perhaps the allocation done on pg 28 isnt being carried through. Or maybe they just could t read the manual!! Lol

Could u also confirm if a crossover setting can be set for each individual speaker channel or is it one global one. Manual makes me think global but that cld be misleading. Thanks

[Cyruszaydan]

Just to confirm,the audio input selector can be setup for each individual source. I don't have to do any manual switching. The sound passes through the optical cable when watching Sky, but through HDMI when using the Playstation, Apple TV and blu ray, with the sound going through component ables with the Wii. Once set, the AVR does all the switching.

As far as crossover setting is concerned, that has to be universal I'm afraid. I wanted to set the crossover for my fronts to 50Hz and the others to 80 Hz, but could not. Reading up online, I don't think the is possible with the 2021.I'd love to be told I am wrong though.

[jawilson59]

Can each input have its own sound option chosen? I.e. auto for bd, exended stereo for cd etc etc?

[Cyruszaydan]

That's a good question. I'm afraid that I don't know the answer to that one. Hopefully someone else will

[jawilson59]

Originally Posted by Cyruszaydan

That's a good question. I'm afraid that I don't know the answer to that one. Hopefully someone else will

How have u urs set up?

Perhaps when i get my ass home from holiday i can take mine out of the box and set the damn thing up. Made a mistake by not having everything ready to go and then order the amp!! Didnt ge enough time over xmas to do speaker runs etc and tidy cable into conduits on walls !!!

[KWB1]

Anyone with any links on where its available for the cheapest please

ta Ken

[mark133]

Originally Posted by KWB1

Anyone with any links on where its available for the cheapest please

ta Ken

Got mine from here


Pioneer VSX-2021 AV receiver | Pioneer Home Cinema | Tottenham Court Road Direct
£599 next day free delivery

[KWB1]

Originally Posted by mark133

Got mine from here


Pioneer VSX-2021 AV receiver | Pioneer Home Cinema | Tottenham Court Road Direct
£599 next day free delivery

Yes seen that - think Richer Sounds are doing it for the same

[Nitro626]

Originally Posted by jawilson59

Can each input have its own sound option chosen? I.e. auto for bd, exended stereo for cd etc etc?

Yes DVR HDMI i have my PS3 connected to always goes to PCM, when i switch to SKYhd and select Auto Surround it will auto switch stereo or DDigital however if i put into extended stereo the amp will stay in this mode even if DD signal is recieved or i switch HDMI input.

Also my mrs bought mine from tottenhamcourtroaddirect.co.uk she paid £635 2 weeks before xmas, the customer service was excellent. At the time we ordered they were out of stock, but call and emailed us to tell us that they would have stock one week before xmas and it should be with us the tuesday before xmas. It arrived monday 20th.

[Nitro626]

Originally Posted by Cyruszaydan

As far as crossover setting is concerned, that has to be universal I'm afraid. I wanted to set the crossover for my fronts to 50Hz and the others to 80 Hz, but could not. Reading up online, I don't think the is possible with the 2021.I'd love to be told I am wrong though.

Ok i might have this wrong but go here and have a look
2e.Acoustic Cal EQ settings

Enter "Home Menu" on your full AV remote Option "2" then option "e" simply adjust.

[jawilson59]

Originally Posted by Nitro626

Yes DVR HDMI i have my PS3 connected to always goes to PCM, when i switch to SKYhd and select Auto Surround it will auto switch stereo or DDigital however if i put into extended stereo the amp will stay in this mode even if DD signal is recieved or i switch HDMI input.

Also my mrs bought mine from tottenhamcourtroaddirect.co.uk she paid £635 2 weeks before xmas, the customer service was excellent. At the time we ordered they were out of stock, but call and emailed us to tell us that they would have stock one week before xmas and it should be with us the tuesday before xmas. It arrived monday 20th.

Sorry, not clear on what ur saying. If u leave one input on say dolby or dts and switch to say the cd input, is it automatically on dolby / dts or is it on the last setting u used before u switched from that source, eg stereo....?

[Nitro626]

The amp will remember the last setting for each input, yes sorry, reading it back it wasn't very clear :-)

[jawilson59]

Originally Posted by Nitro626

The amp will remember the last setting for each input, yes sorry, reading it back it wasn't very clear :-)

No probs. thx

How u finding it? What did u have before and did u find the mcaac thingy useful?

Are u using the airplay features or the iphone control app. R u having the dropout / reconnect issues everytime ur phone comes out of standby?

[Nitro626]

Originally Posted by jawilson59

No probs. thx

How u finding it? What did u have before and did u find the mcaac thingy useful?

Are u using the airplay features or the iphone control app. R u having the dropout / reconnect issues everytime ur phone comes out of standby?

Hello Ja,

Yeah I like the 2021, but the HDMI standby passthrough issues annoyed me in the start, not working the way I would have liked. But I wanted it for the sound it makes not the video it switches.

I had a Denon 1802 before, I upgraded for the DD HD and DTS HD and the HDMI switching.

The Airplay works great too, I already had apple TV so I use that because of the video, but all my devices give the VSX2021 or ATV as an option.

I am using two Iphone 4's and an ipad2 with the avcontrol2 app and I've had no issues at all. My best mate has a VSX920 and a pioneer blu-ray and is having major problems with the app. I wired his network so I know that's all good but he has a BT router, I am in the process of configuring him a Dlink635 router which is my old router to sort his issues.

I am using a Dlink655 router, I manually set the ip address on the amp. All devices connect as they should I can even turn the amp On and Off via the App.

The MCAAC is pretty good, I think pioneer first used a system like this in their car audio back in the 90's that was pants thou. I have B&W fronts and Center speakers, Wharfdale Surrounds but the MCAAC has set everything up on memory 1 and the blend is pleasant.

So my question for you is are you going to get yours out the box or return it? You must hear it before you return it !

[R B Customs]

Originally Posted by jawilson59

U sure u have speaker setting right? Shld be zone 2? Manual def says 5.1 source in main room and different stereo source in zone 2 using powered spkr outputs.

If urs isnt doing that perhaps theres smthg wrong, or we all have more gripes than we knew about!!

HI,
sorry my bad - made a total error here. and I've finally got tot he bottom of this whole zone control mess.

the amp does indeed have powered zone 2. I've tested it and it works. WHen it's set to 5.1 + zone 2 the surround back sp[eaker outputs get turned into 'zone 2' powered outputs. and when you have speakers wired up to these outputs you have volume control either from the remote, amp or app.
what's more interesting is that the zone 2 pre-outs still work too. so you could actually have zone 2, plus another system which mirrored zone 2. I've tested this and it works. just to go over that again you can have speakers connected to the 'zone 2' spekaer outputs aswell as an amp + speakers connected to the zone 2 pre-outs and both will work. HOWEVER the pre-outs volume is set at one level changing the volume on the amp / remote / app only has an effect on the speakers wired directly to the amp - not the the system which is using the pre-outs.

This is highly annoying! I don't want to have to run nealry 50 meters of speaker cable to the bedroom and have to buy new 6+ ohm speakers just to have an all in one volume control solution. I want to be able to run pre-outs to the amp in the bedroom (which is denon mini reciever / dvd 2.1 system) so I can use that same system with other sources. I can do that but it means when I'm using the 2021 as the source through pre-outs I have to use the denon remote as a volume control.

Does anyone know of any reason why the zone-2 pre-outs are set at a constant level? I thought the whole idea of pre-outs was to be able to pass them to a power amp, and therefore the volume should be contoled on the 'preamp' which in this case is the 2021

Originally Posted by mark133

Hi ive just wired my zone 2 into the kitchen and all is working along with iControlAV have full and seperate control over the volume in each zone.

My setup is 5.1 in the main room and zone 2 is connected to the surround back.

Just remembered I did have a greyed out Vol control in iControlAV but this rectified itself by turning the amp off and then back on.

That sounds correct from what I've found with mine. HAve you used the pre-outs at all?


back to the iphone/ipod/android app problems then:

I've still got the 'Unknow' issue with the app. On android it just lists every item as 'unknow' although they display correctly on the TV. On ipod / iphone app the list is just empty (black - not text saying 'empty') the only remedy I've found is to factory reset the amp (holding enter and power on start-up) this is highly annoying as it looses all the pre-sets, input names, MCACC data - everything. but it does allow the app to function as normal again.

THe disconnect issues are relentless. they can happen within 10 seconds of using the app. I was using it - switched to camera, and back again and it was dissconnected. I find that inputting the IP address manually makes it far more likely to disconnect and takes much longer to find it again once it has disconnected. leaving it on 'auto' as it were is a much safer bet.

that whole part of the app is just silly though - does it presume everyone has 10+ recievers and visits 12 locations a day who also have 10 recievers which all need to be controled? the reciever is there, it does not move, my phone / devices are never off the network, the amp is never off the network - why must it do this?>!

this is what I see at the same time on the app / tv

I've seen other people who have reviewed the app on the android market place saying they have this problem too.


[may have solved sound delay issues with ps3 - will report later]
Rick