sony strda2400 or yamaha rxv765

kevo35 · 10-07-2009, 7:08 AM

Too many choices in the world of amps

would the yamaha be alot better than the sony ( i know its £100 more ). what about the 2400 compared to the new 800? i have everything sony but would get a yam if it was worth it. As you can guess i,m a total novice. Thanx for any suggestions

dante01 · 10-07-2009, 7:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kevo35

Too many choices in the world of amps

would the yamaha be alot better than the sony ( i know its £100 more ). what about the 2400 compared to the new 800? i have everything sony but would get a yam if it was worth it. As you can guess i,m a total novice. Thanx for any suggestions

There is no comparison between the STRDA2400ES and the DH800. The STRDA2400 is part of the ES range while the DH800 is Sony's entry level HD audio receiver. The STRDA2400ES is superior in every respect and well worth the £100 extra.

The choice between the Yamaha and the Sony would be more dependant of your own preferences for sound. The Yamaha will be warmer, but slower with fast paced audio while the Sony will be faster and more clinical. The build quality of the Sony is also better than what you can expect from the Yamaha. This drop in build quality is something you cn expect from all the new Yamaha models.

The new Yamaha models are also awaiting a firmware update in order that they can assign optical audio from SKY boxes to an ssociated HDMI input. The Sony STRDA2400ES doesn't suffer from this issue. Yamaha have acknowledged the issue, but it isn't known when they'll actually supply a fix?

The Sony has assignable inputs which the Yamaha lacks.

The Yamaha can pass-through HDMI to a display while in standby, meaning you can connect HDMI components to it and still access both audio and video on the display while the receiver is powered down. The Sony doesn't have this ability.

Both receivers are very good and I don't think there's very much to base a decision on apart from your own ears, although the price of the Sony does make it rather more appealing.

Tone-uk · 10-07-2009, 8:01 AM

The Sony represent better value for money imo. The issues with the 765, like build quality and the problem with assigning is not something I'd expect at this price point.

I was going to recommend taking a look at the Yamaha 663 which is well built and gives a performance on a par with the 863se (difference is no upconversion and it's a european model) but, just remembered even it had blacker and black and whiter than white issues. I'm sure this is only a problem in the real world with HTPC'S and calibration though and does not deflect from the fact it is a step up from the 2400es.

Better value for money than the 2400es would be the Denon 1909 if you can find one. Some are floating around I am told at around £300.

richardb70 · 10-07-2009, 8:38 AM

Sorry to hijack the thread(!). For some reason, I seem to only be looking at the Yamaha 765 vs the Denon 1910. I guess it's because I've owned Denons and Yahamas in the recent past.

No official reviews yet of either which is frustrating! Has anyone auditioned both of these?

Tone-uk · 10-07-2009, 8:54 AM

You are probably better off going to avs forum to see what the Americans are saying?? Should be more owners over there.

IF you can stomach it!!

dicklodge · 10-07-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kevo35

Too many choices in the world of amps

would the yamaha be alot better than the sony ( i know its £100 more ). what about the 2400 compared to the new 800? i have everything sony but would get a yam if it was worth it. As you can guess i,m a total novice. Thanx for any suggestions

I would put the Denon 1910 into the mix ---- price wise, half way between the 2400 and Yam 765 and Denon are known for their quality.

The non assignable inputs on the new Yamahas have really put me off them, however, depending on what you intend to connect, it may not be a problem at all --- they are going to partially fix it so that Sky HD can connect via HDMI and optical.

The Denon 1910 has full assignability, and like the 2400, and 765, 4 HDMI in

As noted above, they are new so reviews are hard to come by but contrary to what the misguided

(re nausea), Tone-UK says, the AVS forums are a very good place to go for information!

DENON AVR1910 Video Review << UK >> AVLAND Denon AVR-1910 Home Cinema Dolby TrueHD & DTS HD Master Audio Receiver 1910

AMPs, Receivers, and Processors - AVS Forum

saltyworm · 10-07-2009, 11:05 AM

anyone know if the denon can do HDMI pass thru without turning the amp on?! thanks

Tone-uk · 10-07-2009, 11:12 AM

AV Receivers that can Pass Through in Standby?

This thread has only just started though and I'm sure there are others.

saltyworm · 10-07-2009, 11:17 AM

thanks

by the sound of it if the 1909 can do this surely the new 1910 can right?!

Tone-uk · 10-07-2009, 11:19 AM

Misguided?!

Some do not like taking advice from Americans.

Not me though - I love them.

Yeeha cowboy !!

Rolling, rolling, rolling.....

dicklodge · 10-07-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by saltyworm

thanks

by the sound of it if the 1909 can do this surely the new 1910 can right?!

Just trying to see if I can find a definitive 'yes' to that!

Tone-uk · 10-07-2009, 11:41 AM

The good old americans come out tops again. See this thread

*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1910/790 Owner's Thread - AVS Forum

Point 4 of "other relative minor functional differences"

Also for more info on "hdmi control" just to back this up

BATPIG'S DENON-TO-ENGLISH DICTIONARY

About 3/4 down.

So it's a "yes" from me!

dicklodge · 10-07-2009, 11:46 AM

USA manual --- no UK one that I can see on the Denon site. Manual Page 28 --- looks like it can:
http://www.usa.denon.com/AVR-1910-OM_E_005.pdf

dicklodge · 10-07-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tone-uk

Misguided?!

Some do not like taking advice from Americans.

Not me though - I love them.

Yeeha cowboy !!

Rolling, rolling, rolling.....

You just love those spurs, don't you!

Tone-uk · 10-07-2009, 11:56 AM

It's the saloons and wenches that do it for me!!

I like Samity Sam too. Trigger happy!

Tone-uk · 10-07-2009, 12:02 PM

Think we'd better stop this "friendly fire" before we get into trouble with the mods.

dicklodge · 10-07-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tone-uk

Think we'd better stop this "friendly fire" before we get into trouble with the mods.

Too late, check out the 863/7002 thread.

Good Idea though. stopping now.

richardb70 · 10-07-2009, 3:00 PM

Gah, the Denon 1910 is looking more impressive every time I look(!). The main problem with Denons is that the manuals are woeful and obviously aimed at Stephen Hawking.

But the Audyssey, lack of assignment issues and solid build - it looks like it's got the edge over the Yamaha currently....

P.S. Batpig's Denon setup guide looks very useful too.

dicklodge · 10-07-2009, 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by richardb70

it looks like it's got the edge over the Yamaha currently....

I'm a Yamaha fan, but definitely have to agree.

McKinley · 10-07-2009, 5:46 PM

I've presently got a Yamaha 763 and was considering changing to the 765 due to the BtB & WtW issues of the former. With Limited Range RGB compliant source material it shouldn't be a problem, but in reality there are BD's (Dirty Dancing being an example posted over on AVS) where black had been set at 0 instead of 16, leading to the complete loss of much shadow detail with last year's Yamahas. This would cheese me off no end.

However, the 765 weights 800g less than the 763 and you have to wonder what's been chopped.

From reading one of Dantes posts in another thread the Sony STRDA2400 might sound too bright with my Mordaunt Short Alumni's.

Which leads me to my question... Is it better to stick with the 763 (I don't have an HTPC and it sounds great), or switch to the Yamaha 765, Denon 1910 or Sony STRDA2400?

It might be tricky for me to get a demo of all of these with the Alumni's so any assistance to help decide to stick with the 763, or change and narrow down the field would be appreciated.

dante01 · 10-07-2009, 5:50 PM

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Originally Posted by McKinley

I've presently got a Yamaha 763 and was considering changing to the 765 due to the BtB & WtW issues of the former. With Limited Range RGB compliant source material it shouldn't be a problem, but in reality there are BD's (Dirty Dancing being an example posted over on AVS) where black had been set at 0 instead of 16, leading to the complete loss of much shadow detail with last year's Yamahas. This would cheese me off no end.

However, the 765 weights 800g less than the 763 and you have to wonder what's been chopped.

From reading one of Dantes posts in another thread the Sony STRDA2400 might sound too bright with my Mordaunt Short Alumni's.

Which leads me to my question... Is it better to stick with the 763 (I don't have an HTPC and it sounds great), or switch to the Yamaha 765, Denon 1910 or Sony STRDA2400?

It might be tricky for me to get a demo of all of these with the Alumni's so any assistance to help decide to stick with the 763, or change and narrow down the field would be appreciated.

The Denon AVR1909 or 1910 would be better suited to your speakers and would also be better than the Sony when it comes to SQ.

McKinley · 10-07-2009, 5:51 PM

Thanks

Any idea how the 1910 (or 1909) compare to the 763?

dante01 · 10-07-2009, 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by McKinley

Thanks

Any idea how the 1910 (or 1909) compare to the 763?

I think I'd prefer the Yamaha, but only because I like the Yamaha signature sound. Both the AVR1909 and 1910 are better spec'd than the 763 though.

McKinley · 10-07-2009, 6:13 PM

The spec's not so important as the Yamaha does what I need (other than the 2 HDMI connections, but you can add a switch box to overcome that), and I love both the sound and the learning remote which is way nicer than those produced by Harmony for £60-70.

Infact the only annoyance is the BtB & WtW 'issue', and if the source material is correctly mastered I shouldn't have a problem. I'd switch to an 861SE, but I don't want titanium.

kevo35 · 10-07-2009, 6:38 PM

Thanks for all your comments. Next dilema I have kinda got my heart set on the monitor audio bronze br5 av as i like the style of them (not heard them), but dante wrote they are not best suited to the sony, does anyone have any ideas (style wise and sound) which you can recommend for the sony.

dante01 · 10-07-2009, 7:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kevo35

Thanks for all your comments. Next dilema I have kinda got my heart set on the monitor audio bronze br5 av as i like the style of them (not heard them), but dante wrote they are not best suited to the sony, does anyone have any ideas (style wise and sound) which you can recommend for the sony.

Anything by Tannoy would go with the Sony. I found these earlier today, but there isn't a sub with the package:

https://www.forumhifivisual.co.uk/Sp...FERS_2288.html

Not too sure whether the price is just for the floorstanders or the floorstanders, centre and rears?

The KEF IQ series should also suit the Sony.

kevo35 · 10-07-2009, 11:31 PM

what about the denon 1910 dante, which speakers would suite that?

dante01 · 10-07-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kevo35

what about the denon 1910 dante, which speakers would suite that?

Monitor Audio
B&W
Mordaunt Short

Monitor Audio would be my preferred choice.

KEF and Q Acoustics are good matches for both Sony and Denon. Wharfdale too, but they are slightly better with warmer amps such as Denon or Yamaha.

sasker · 11-07-2009, 8:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kevo35

Too many choices in the world of amps

would the yamaha be alot better than the sony ( i know its £100 more ). what about the 2400 compared to the new 800? i have everything sony but would get a yam if it was worth it. As you can guess i,m a total novice. Thanx for any suggestions

I Have a Sony and a Yamaha amp and in my eyes their is no comparison as Yamaha wins every time for me.

My Sony is only a budget DG820 amp and my Yamaha is a mid range 765.

The Sony's sounds too bright when you compare them to the likes of Yamaha. I can't really compare my 2 as it's night and day in terms of sound quality between them both

The 765 is a bargain now at £499 in my eyes and I even have it with Tannoy speakers who some say are too warm and don't go with the warm yamaha sound but it's clearly not true to be honest.

It sounds awesome.

The assignable inputs will be sorted soon, in the next few weeks with a firmware update from yamaha so it will solve the Sky HD issue

The musical capability of the 765 is excellent too. This model is also a world apart from the 565 Yamaha that is next below it in price so I think most poeple compare Yamaha amps to these more commonly heard models and form the opinion that it is not much good for music.

The build quality is very good and were people can say the the build quality isn't very good is beyond me.

The weight of the amp does appear to be slightly lighter than last years mid level range but it should not be an issue at all. 1 year on and manufacturing of parts does change and improve so just because something weighs less does not mean it is worse as the parts may be better.

To conclude the brightness of the Sony amps in my opinion does let them down and Warm amps sound so much better I have found.

Both are good amps but depends on your preference for sound really and spending that much you want to hear both setup really

dicklodge · 11-07-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sasker

The assignable inputs will be sorted soon, in the next few weeks with a firmware update from yamaha so it will solve the Sky HD issue

Will the firmware update give full assignability to all the normal assignable inputs (as it used to be) or just allow an HDMI inputting video to be assigned to an optical or coaxial audio input to fix the Sky problem?