[z4zorba]

Thanks

For people chasing the analogue path from source to processor does the issue with lip synch become a hit and miss?

If for arguments sake I invested in an oppo 95 for its advertised superior analogue output and paired it to the audiolab 8200 for its high quality analogue pass through only to find I had a lip synch problem that cannot be corrected in the analogue domain I would then need to connect it all digitally.

I would then like to ask have both the above components been designed to give the same audio performance whether digital or analogue?

I hope I am still keeping on subject as I am trying to find a path.

[Mr_Sukebe]

Have to say that I'm really confused as to why anyone would buy the 8200AP (or 8000AP) just to use it for analogue passthrough. Surely a legacy processor would be a FAR cheaper option?

If you want lip sync control, go the digital route.

[z4zorba]

If you have chosen your source for its audio performance in the analogue domain would you not then need to preserve the quality of the audio through the preamp/processor so as not to add any further processing and be invisible as possible in the path.

The reason I am looking at analogue performance is that I want as much stereo performance as I do AV which is offered by some legacy processors. The 8200 I hope is a cross between a proper stereo preamp and av processor which should mean a better quality analogue passthrough or why else include those high performance analogue outs on the oppo.

I would like as few boxes as possible and want both music and av from one side of the room. I already have a pioneer bdp51(nearly at the end of its life) and a legacy processor but have lip synch issues. For this reason and answers from the posts above I will now not bother with an AV2 and chase av in the digital domain also as my music is now being digitised I hope to find a processor that can play AIFF/ALAC as musically as possible so as not to buy another dac for stereo.

I am now looking at 3 - marantz-audiolab-rotel

[Mr_Sukebe]

Originally Posted by z4zorba

If you have chosen your source for its audio performance in the analogue domain would you not then need to preserve the quality of the audio through the preamp/processor so as not to add any further processing and be invisible as possible in the path.

The reason I am looking at analogue performance is that I want as much stereo performance as I do AV which is offered by some legacy processors. The 8200 I hope is a cross between a proper stereo preamp and av processor which should mean a better quality analogue passthrough or why else include those high performance analogue outs on the oppo.

I would like as few boxes as possible and want both music and av from one side of the room. I already have a pioneer bdp51(nearly at the end of its life) and a legacy processor but have lip synch issues. For this reason and answers from the posts above I will now not bother with an AV2 and chase av in the digital domain also as my music is now being digitised I hope to find a processor that can play AIFF/ALAC as musically as possible so as not to buy another dac for stereo.

I am now looking at 3 - marantz-audiolab-rotel

Some thoughts:
- Of course it's right to focus on the simplest path possible for your source, what that should be is another matter.
- The 8200AP IS an AV processor, for one thing, it's full of digital circuits. Sure, it's fairly stripped down from a functionality point of view, but it's clearly far more complex than say a Naim 282.
- My comment about using legacy kit was aimed at the value for money ratio. The 8200AP is a brand new piece of kit DESIGNED to deal with HD audio data streams. If you're using it purely for analogue, then you could have probably bought say a Lexicon or similar unit for the same price or less and probably had better quality analogue throughput, as the Lexicon will have cost 2-3 times the amount of the 8200AP a few years ago
- I did think that the AV2 had 5.1 passthrough. I would be fairly surprised if the 8200AP is "better" than an AV2 if both are used in this mode. Having heard an AV2, my guess is that they'd be "different", rather than better or worse
- If you want to deal with ALAC, then the obvious routes would be either a Mac front via say an M2tech USB/Spdif or a Squeezebox via SPDIF. Either could be used into a dedicated DAC, then a pre-amp, OR you could use an AV processor. The AV2 would quite happily work as a DAC/pre-amp, which is actually why I auditioned one a few years ago
- The "best" route is another matter altogether. I've never heard an 8000AP or 8200AP. I have listened to an AV2 (wasn't impressed for stereo), a Thule 250 and 350, Bel Canto Pre-pro, a new Marantz AV7003(?) and some Meridian processors. I ended up with a Meridian processor (with HD621), which probably gives you an idea of my own take on things. Note that my focus was very much on getting the music right first, THEN worrying about dealing with the AV side of things.

[z4zorba]

Thanks for your reply.

If there was a BR player out there that could apply audio delay and then send the audio through its multi analogue outputs I would then try to track down an AV2 as it does have a 7.1 pass through.

[chienmetallique]

Think my old panasonic dmp-bd80 does this, via delay time.

[sneill]

Originally Posted by z4zorba

Thanks

For people chasing the analogue path from source to processor does the issue with lip synch become a hit and miss?

If for arguments sake I invested in an oppo 95 for its advertised superior analogue output and paired it to the audiolab 8200 for its high quality analogue pass through only to find I had a lip synch problem that cannot be corrected in the analogue domain I would then need to connect it all digitally.

I would then like to ask have both the above components been designed to give the same audio performance whether digital or analogue?

I hope I am still keeping on subject as I am trying to find a path.

I bought a Oppo 95 and used 5.1 analogue outputs into my old Arcam AV8
I encountered lip sync issues on most movies.
Oppo has no lip sync functionality and Oppo tech confirmed this cannot be addressed by firmware update due to hardware limitations.
Oppo did not respond to my query as to why their product is being marketed as a 5.1 analogue device yet lip sync adjustment was left out of the functionality.

I sold the oppo 95, bought a Oppo 93 and sold my Arcam AV8 for an Anthem MRX300 and now use HDMI = no lip sync issues anymore.

When i followed the oppo 95 owners thread at the time before/after my Oppo 95 purchase very few owners reported lip sync issues.
It was a showstopper for movie watching/enjoyment or me and a real oversight by Oppo designers.

[z4zorba]

sneill

I too contacted oppo to confirm a volume control in the player as I was thinking oppo straight into power amps and front LR into av bypass on a dedicated integrated for stereo. I was told there was a volume control for the multi analogue out with no loss of audio quality in the volume range although no audio delay - as you say a real show stopper and can't understand how some report it and some don't. It must be pot luck and depend on the display device.

chienmetallique

THANKS! I have been looking for a BR player that can do this for the last 2 years. Do you know if the delay effects the audio quality?

Cheers

ps. I will stop derailing the thread - cheers

[chienmetallique]

Originally Posted by z4zorba

sneill

I too contacted oppo to confirm a volume control in the player as I was thinking oppo straight into power amps and front LR into av bypass on a dedicated integrated for stereo. I was told there was a volume control for the multi analogue out with no loss of audio quality in the volume range although no audio delay - as you say a real show stopper and can't understand how some report it and some don't. It must be pot luck and depend on the display device.

chienmetallique

THANKS! I have been looking for a BR player that can do this for the last 2 years. Do you know if the delay effects the audio quality?

Cheers

ps. I will stop derailing the thread - cheers

Having checked the manual these delay times are for speaker distance NOT lipsync, sorry.

[blauridsen]

I am looking for a used Marantz AV 8003, because I’m thinking that it has better analogue inputs than av 7005? And have DSD over HDMI. I play a lot classic music.
Has anyone heard and perhaps compared it with other near- high-end processors I am aware that 7005 is better on the digital front, but that is not my first priority.