[benny]

Just got my new onkyo 5009 to replace a 906.

Ran audyssee albeit only 3 positions and turned my MX150 thx sub(only1) from thx ref to manual volume and like blue said was at 91/92 db but after calibration base was really weak, also sound seamed thin on my front 3 s150 but dialogue was sublime.
Re ran audysee last night and done 8 point cal,
Made soundstage far more fuller but clarity of centre not as good this time,
Base still weak so flicked sub back to thx and reduced sub from +3 to -9 (what i used to have on 906) and far better, so think Blue is right maybe you should run the calibration at 92db instead of volume matching to 75db.
Will have another go tomorrow.
5009 is more refined than my 906 with better detail and a more solid soundstage.
Had a A1hd denon and Lexicon rv8 on loan 2 year back and at £5000 this onkyo for half the price is right up there.
Denon was warmer maybe slightly more solid with the lex being the best ive heard, with having audysee xt32 on the onkyo its prob got the edge.
Any tips would be appreciated.

[TheBlueFalcon]

Well it was just a theory that I wanted to put out there, but it's interesting that I'm not the only person who feels that calibrating the Sub at a higher volume and then adjusting it, seems to work better. Good to know.

[DodgeTheViper]

Originally Posted by TheBlueFalcon

Well it was just a theory that I wanted to put out there, but it's interesting that I'm not the only person who feels that calibrating the Sub at a higher volume and then adjusting it, seems to work better. Good to know.

I did exactly this when I first got my 3009. When I started the calibration the sub level was quite high, and it asked me to turn the level down, which I ignored. Then I did the usual multi point calibration, and after that was finished I adjusted the levels accordingly. The result from the sub afterwards was astonishing when I think back. But something told me that I did it all wrong because I ignored what Audyssey told me to do. So I did another calibration and followed the rules like a good boy.

But now BlueFalcon has posted this, I'm going to try it again.

[DodgeTheViper]

I've recalibrated and followed what BlueFalcon suggested, and there is a marked difference. Not something that can be purely measured with an SPL meter, but the difference is definitely there.

[TheBlueFalcon]

Originally Posted by DodgeTheViper

I've recalibrated and followed what BlueFalcon suggested, and there is a marked difference. Not something that can be purely measured with an SPL meter, but the difference is definitely there.

I've been talking to an expert about system calibration and he is not in total agreement about Subwoofers being calibrated at 75dB. In some circumstances it may not make any difference, but in others it may not allow an accurate calibration.

[DodgeTheViper]

Or indeed an acceptable result

[djnickm]

This is all very interesting. I found a similar thing when installing my sub eq unit. The volume it wanted to do it at was very low. We continued on.

But since I have turned the dial up on the sub and lowered the pre amp output. And noticed a marked improvement. Even tho the sub is still at the same output level on a test tone, it just seams to have more depth and slam.

I think I will have to get ashmanuk down to me again to re calibrate my sub but at a higher level.

When I have the sub set for calibration for how audyssey wants it's, on the dial it will be at perhaps one or two. No where near reference. But then it wants the sub level at the pro setup at +8-9 db.

Now on my theory, if you have the subs volume turned right down are we not potentially starving the sub of current? I also worry about having the pro up so high as that could cause the pre amp to clip. Especially with peq etc.

But lastly, is there much point in re calibrating. Surely a 75db tone will excite the same room modes as a tone at 90 db?

[Ideal AV]

Originally Posted by Lev80

Hope Onkyo will make a controll app for the Windows Phone 7,5 as they did for android.

is anyone using the "Oremote" app to control their 5509 or anything Onkyo for that matter.

give it a try, for £2.99 its bloody fantastic

[DodgeTheViper]

Originally Posted by Ideal AV

is anyone using the "Oremote" app to control their 5509 or anything Onkyo for that matter.

give it a try, for £2.99 its bloody fantastic

I'm using just the standard Remote2 App. So is that one much better ?

[DodgeTheViper]

Just had a quick look, and it looks interesting, my 3009 fully supports all functions as well

[Ideal AV]

Originally Posted by DodgeTheViper

Just had a quick look, and it looks interesting, my 3009 fully supports all functions as well

one of my customers is a beta tester for it and showed it to me yesterday, as soon as I saw it I paid and installed it and it really is the best app i`ve seen so far for the Onkyo`s

[Dav1dF]

Been using Oremote since I got my 5509.

[DodgeTheViper]

I might just have to give it a go.

[DodgeTheViper]

Originally Posted by Dav1dF

Been using Oremote since I got my 5509.

Oh now you tell us.

[Dav1dF]

You didn't ask! :D

It was mentioned a long time ago, if I recall correctly

[aandpwoodley]

It's been around for ages, I've been using it with my 5008, great app although I do use my Harmony 900 more.

[Ace71]

New firmware available:

Onkyo | Support - Downloads - Firmware

[TheBlueFalcon]

Originally Posted by Ace71

New firmware available:

Onkyo | Support - Downloads - Firmware

Thanks. I'm updating mine now.

Release notes are:

Improves the operation when HDMI Through is set to on

Stabilizes the operation of Network Control

Corrects the video output when the Picture Mode is set to "Through"

[SimonO]

Originally Posted by TheBlueFalcon

The standard calibration of XT32 with the 5508/5509 will give you far better results than using the Pro Kit with the 886.

Really What makes you say that??

[TheBlueFalcon]

Originally Posted by SimonO

Really What makes you say that??

XT32 if far superior to XT. In comparison, the standard XT32 calibration will give better results than XT with the Pro Kit.

[SimonO]

Originally Posted by TheBlueFalcon

XT32 if far superior to XT. In comparison, the standard XT32 calibration will give better results than XT with the Pro Kit.

I agree that XT32 is a huge improvement over XT, but surely the 886 and 5509 will be exactly the same with the Pro calibration, assuming the same Audyssey software version!? The number crunching is done in the laptop and not in the Onkyo.

I'd always assumed that a Pro calibrated 886 should out perform a standard XT32 5509, due to the higher quality individually calibrated mic.

If I'm wrong then it will be a good excuse to upgrade

[TheBlueFalcon]

Originally Posted by SimonO

I agree that XT32 is a huge improvement over XT, but surely the 886 and 5509 will be exactly the same with the Pro calibration, assuming the same Audyssey software version!? The number crunching is done in the laptop and not in the Onkyo.

I'd always assumed that a Pro calibrated 886 should out perform a standard XT32 5509, due to the higher quality individually calibrated mic.

If I'm wrong then it will be a good excuse to upgrade

Use of the Pro Kit doesn't make them the same I'm afraid. If you look at XT and XT32, there is quite a big difference in the technology - not just to the filter resolution. This is why even the Pro Mic is unable to get XT anywhere near XT32 with the standard Mic.

[TheBlueFalcon]

Originally Posted by TheBlueFalcon

I'm waiting to get confirmation about the -4.5dB thing, but I would expect that Audyssey does it as part of the calibration.

I was correct. Chris at Audyssey is not sure why Onkyo suggest this and says it should be ignored.

[samhain]

If you didn't want to fork out for separate amplification, would such a processor be able to be connected to an existing AV Amplifier, such as the Yamaha Z11?

[Dav1dF]

Originally Posted by samhain

If you didn't want to fork out for separate amplification, would such a processor be able to be connected to an existing AV Amplifier, such as the Yamaha Z11?

Yes.

[samhain]

Originally Posted by Dav1dF

Yes.

Thanks David, The Z11 is a difficult amplifier to 'upgrade' away from; it really is a fantastic performer. But as was said previously, power design usually doesn't change but processor technology and things like XT32 bring real changes to a system

[Dav1dF]

Agreed - top notch amp.

[Webmonkey]

yes the Z11 is great. But I wish Yammy made processors so I can add proper power to it :-D

[Dav1dF]

Originally Posted by Webmonkey

yes the Z11 is great. But I wish Yammy made processors so I can add proper power to it :-D

We do too! An up to date Z7 or Z11 processor would be rather nice...

[jason1wood]

I'm waiting to move into my new apartment to set my gear up. Have been using a Z7 receiver but have now a rotel power amp and just going to use the Z7 as a processor. Would I be better off selling the Z7 and without adding funds, buy a secondhand processor, not sure I could afford one with XT32. Just some advice from the 'guys in the know' would be nice.