Wrath of Khan - poor LFE

[dfield2000]

Got the 2 disk Special Edition of the Wrath of Khan in the HMV sale for £9 last week, and I watched it for the first time last night.

I've seen the films loads of times before, but I thought that watching it on DVD with a DD5.1 soundtrack would give it a new lease of life for me.

I was really dissapointed however, as the soundtrack was totally weedy, with no bass at all. Explosions and the like sounded pathetic - it was like the sub was switched off. I kept my eyes on the LFE readout on the front of the amp and it hardly registered anything during the whole film.

Real shame, as this is the best trek film of the lot.

Anyone else found this

[nathan_silly]

Fine on my R1 SE version, rumbling for the starship fly-by, LF blast when the computer consoles explode too.

The genesis explosion is has enough to add to the film. Overall it's not overblown (which IMO would be degradatory to the film)

[dfield2000]

Originally posted by nathan_silly
Fine on my R1 SE version, rumbling for the starship fly-by, LF blast when the computer consoles explode too.


I know the picture quality can vary between R1 and R2, but I'm not sure what the score is with soundtracks.

Originally posted by nathan_silly
which IMO would be degradatory to the film

Perhaps it's down to different 'tastes' then - I usually like the sub turned up enough so that I can hear the windows shaking in their frames.

[nathan_silly]

Originally posted by dfield2000
Perhaps it's down to different 'tastes' then - I usually like the sub turned up enough so that I can hear the windows shaking in their frames.

Don't blame the audio engineer for doing a good job on the mix, if you prefer OTT bass-head taste then. If you want overblown bass, buy 10 Servo 15's, run each at full gain, with the subwoofer channel output at max as well.:rolleyes:

Oh yeah I have a better processor than you.:laugh: ;)

[dfield2000]

Originally posted by nathan_silly
If you want overblown bass, buy 10 Servo 15's, run each at full gain, with the subwoofer channel output at max as well.:rolleyes:
;)

Don't think I need to go to those lengths, like I said, my current set up is capable of shaking my windows - don't think I want to actaully blow them out.

Anyway, just found this review which says that its a pretty crap mix and that the LFE is indeed poor.

http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_5/startrekii_se.html

I suppose it's just all down to personal preferences.

[rebel_scum]

It's a film that's over twenty years old. What the [swear word edited by mod - is it really necessary to be quite so blunt?!] do you want?

[nathan_silly]

Spot on. Good picture, good sound, good mix, no sign of edge enhancement. 2 disc edition.

Maybe Dfield expects a BJ from 7 of 9 as well?:rotfl:

[james.miller]

wow. for somebody who seems to know so much you totally dissapoint me nathan.
Originally posted by rebel_scum
It's a film that's over twenty years old. What the [deleted by admin] do you want?
a speical edition with a 5.1dd soundtrack? i'd expect it to be notably better.

[nathan_silly]

Just sick of daft comments. It's out, with no major flaws. Be happy with the release. It sounds fine to me, and the video transfer is good.

Say the same for Star Wars 1-3 (I class A New Hope, Empire & Jedi as 1-3, not the terrible sequals) ooops it's not out- perhaps moan about that instead?

[Lex]

If dfield2000 is unhappy with what he hears then surely he is perfectly entitled to enquire how other people feel without being slated by you nathan_silly & rebel_scum! It is after all a matter of personal taste, there are no right or wrong answers here.

[dfield2000]

Originally posted by nathan_silly
Just sick of daft comments.

If your sick of daft comments then why are you posting a load of immature drivel yourself ?

Originally posted by rebel_scum
It's a film that's over twenty years old. What the [swear word edited by mod - is it really necessary to be quite so blunt?!] do you want?

I wanted a better mix with more LFE. I thought that was obvious from the title of the thread. Pay more attention next time.

Originally posted by nathan_silly
Maybe Dfield expects a BJ from 7 of 9 as well?:rotfl:

I certainly wouldn't say no to her. Not sure what oral sex has to do with the sound mix though - I think you might be going off topic slightly here - but it's a nice thought anyway.

Originally posted by nathan_silly
Be happy with the release.

Who the hell are you to tell me to be happy with the release ? I have found the sound poor, as have other people, and I'm asking if anyone else has found the same thing. Instead I get a load of immature pathetic comments from NATHAN_STUPID and REBEL_TWIT. You have managed to drag this thread down to gutter level, you have insulted me and posted foul language. I thought this was against forum rules ? If you don't have anything sensible to say then please don't post in my threads. Just out of curiosity Nathan, do you mind if I ask how old you are ?

[nathan_silly]

I'm 27.

Who the hell are you to tell me to be happy with the release

At least the DVD is out! Say the same for other DVD's- Star Wars, Disney OOP's, The Simpsons S4 onwards (will take YEARS for S14 to be out).

What about Space 1999 boxset (Region 1) Apparently awful picture quality, same for The Feebles, and some of the Day of the Dead series (and Evil Dead etc) - Anchor Bay re-re-releasing films, and Fox titles (Aliens-low quality film/grainy) , Die Hard 3- edge enhancment, X-Files- sub quality quality films as well), Battle of Britain- Edge enhancment, Gangs of New York- edge enhancment.

The sound mix is not ST II is not messed up (ie like Jurrasic Park DTS, Jaws DD,Galaxy Quest Region 2)- ok it might not have the bass extension of Nemesis/First Contact but what do you expect? Do you expect films like Seven Samurai should be remixed into a 5.1 DD & DTS full bitrate audio system?

There's always something, Indy Jones finally came out and someone moaned about the lack of extras.:rolleyes:

[dfield2000]

Originally posted by nathan_silly
There's always something, Indy Jones finally came out and someone moaned about the lack of extras.:rolleyes:

What the hell has that got to do with me ???

Originally posted by nathan_silly
Do you expect films like Seven Samurai should be remixed into a 5.1 DD & DTS full bitrate audio system?


No, of course I don't. Seven Samurai is a much older non-Holywood production. What has Seven samurai got to do with this ?

I think you are getting desperate to get the last word and try to win some pathetic argument that you seem to have started.

If I feel that the LFE mix on a Special Edition 5.1 disc is lower than I thought it would be, and I'm entitled to ask other people if they thought the same.

I have no idea why you have started ranting about other films. You are now talking about the picture quality on Day of the Dead, X-Files etc. What has that got to do with anything ?

[nathan_silly]

What the hell has that got to do with me ???

Because people like to complain- Indy Jones came out with excellent picture and sound, yet lacking in features. ST II WOK came out with excellent picture and a good audio mix. It sounds fine TO ME, with a decent system. If the audio source is low quality, how do expect the sound engineer to bring out a audio mix that rivals the latest sound tracks? He can only do what's he given.

What has Seven samurai got to do with this ? Because it's a older film, with low quality audio track, again it's low-fi and mono. I was giving the example that older films cannot (and shouldn't) be mixed to compete with the latest sound tracks.

You are now talking about the picture quality on Day of the Dead, X-Files etc. What has that got to do with anything ? I see that example went right over your head. I'm talking about the ST II WOK DVD as a whole, compared to other films. Be grateful that ST KOH hasen't the rubbish picture quality of the DVD's I mentioned.

[dfield2000]

Originally posted by nathan_silly
Because people like to complain- Indy Jones came out with excellent picture and sound, yet lacking in features.

People like me ?? So according to your logic, if I say I think the LFE is low in STII, then I am also agreeing with the people who complain about the lack of features on Indiana Jones ? You are clutching at straws here and have tried to bring in Indian Jones into the argument to try to make some point which has nothing to do with this thread.

Originally posted by nathan_silly
ST II WOK came out with excellent picture

Yes, fine, I have not said anything about the picture quality. Why do you keep referring to picture quality ?

Originally posted by nathan_silly
and a good audio mix. It sounds fine TO ME

Well if you think the audio mix is good then that's fine - your entitled to your opinion. You appear to have taken this thread personally and you feel the need to defend the soundtrack of this film. I have not said that you are wrong or right - I have simply asked people for what they though of the mix. I think you have some persecution issues here. You need to chill out a bit mate.

Your not a very nice person and have been abusive and agressive un-necessarily. Most people on this forum are pleasant and I enjoy interacting with them - I'm just glad they're all not like you.

Thank you for completely messing up this thread and turning it into a childish slagging match.

[baldbird]

Indy DVD's haven't been released yet.

So if you've got some and the quality isn't good then you've probably bought some dodgy malaysian vcd's...

I agree with dfield on this one, why be nobby when someone's just asking if anyone's noticed something - not everyone buys dvd's for the same reasons. I'm more of a features man - but if people drone on about sound then that's they're perogative 'cause its what they're into.

So there.:p

[nathan_silly]

Indy is out, and recieved on R1 DVD.

[baldbird]

Good for you - I'm genuinely happy for you and hope you enjoy it.

But why bother moaning about peoples opinions when everyone's entitled to thier own. If someone is more concerned about sound then that's down to them. If I had an issue with features, I'd probably ask for peoples opinions and hope that someone didn't just hijack the thread saying that people that are into features are nobs....

You've got a lot of posts in a short space of time - a lot of angst.. maybe a visit to some sort of therapist and people could get on with proper discussions.

Enjoy indy.

[Xusia Of Delos]

I have a radio in my car.

[Lex]

Okay - the argument is over - dfield2000 wins hands down. :clap:

It is a shame that a thread on a perfectly sensible topic of conversation got ruined by nathan_silly and his inexorable need to offend people.

[Stuart Wright]

He is gagging for a ban, isn't he?