pioneer lx508d isf calibration

[tausifs]

hi

i am near birmingham. are there any isf techs in this area who could use official pioneer software to calibr8 my plasma tv ?

if yes, then pls pm me,
thank you, tausifs.

[Neil Davidson]

The only software currently abole to communicate with the G8 is ColorFacts Pro with latest C3 interface installed - another option is almost certain to be available by the end of the month though.

There are several people who could do this for you but on this forum search for Gordon Fraser or Steve Kemp (Bumtious) who can do great things on these panels.

[kingfats]

There are several people who could do this for you but on this forum search for Gordon Fraser or Steve Kemp (Bumtious) who can do great things on these panels.

Hi :)
Just this recently had my LX Pioneer calibrated by Steve (bumtious) and extremely pleased with the results.Recommended. :smashin:

[jolly]

I had my 506xde calibrated by Gordon , what a differance

Also he installed a lumagen hdq for me , that made evan a bigger differance
highly recommened

I think i will upgrade to the radiance xd when the hmd 1.3 version comes out

steve

[Bilbo77]

Hi :)
Just this recently had my LX Pioneer calibrated by Steve (bumtious) and extremely pleased with the results.Recommended. :smashin:

Got my LX508 ISF calibrated yesterday and it was a huge difference :)

The only problem was that we couldn't set the sharpness correct :(

My source is Arcam's FMJ DV139 and when we tried to set the sharpness correct using the built-in video display calibration, we could'nt get it low enough with the ISFccc software.

Any ISF calibrator out ther who knows how we can fix this?

Thanks for a great forum :thumbsup:

[kingfats]

Got my LX508 ISF calibrated yesterday and it was a huge difference :)

The only problem was that we couldn't set the sharpness correct :(

My source is Arcam's FMJ DV139 and when we tried to set the sharpness correct using the built-in video display calibration, we could'nt get it low enough with the ISFccc software.

Any ISF calibrator out ther who knows how we can fix this?

Thanks for a great forum :thumbsup:

Hi mate :)
Gordon,bumtious or Piers...........all should be able to calibrate your display easily. :smashin:

[joshyuk]

Hi all, i'm new to these forums in as such as although i often read the posts i've never actually posted one. Please therefore bear with me. I've recently purchased the pioneer lx508d and am keen to get it calibrated. i've seen the names Gordon Fraser or Steve Kemp (Bumtious) but how do i contact them?

Thanks in anticipation of a reply.

P.s. love the forum

[jolly]

Hi all, i'm new to these forums in as such as although i often read the posts i've never actually posted one. Please therefore bear with me. I've recently purchased the pioneer lx508d and am keen to get it calibrated. i've seen the names Gordon Fraser or Steve Kemp (Bumtious) but how do i contact them?

Thanks in anticipation of a reply.

P.s. love the forum

Contact Gordon on his website

http://www.convergent-av.co.uk/

[joshyuk]

Jolly, you're a star. thank you very much.

[jolly]

Jolly, you're a star. thank you very much.

No problem, Gordons a top bloke

:)

[mremulator]

Guys, actually there is no FULLY functional software for Pioneer 8th gen screens at the moment...

From a well respected ISF calibrator and prominent forum member:

"I have calibrated 6 of the Pioneer 8G plasmas. ******** produced the best results according to the laptop. Colour balance wasn’t perfect at very low IRE values (close to black) but was spot on above 30 IRE. I have seen much the same results with the other 5.

The new Sencore software corrects the colour balance problems close to black but still doesn’t allow access to the critical image enhancement settings. I cannot use the Sencore software with a clear conscience at present. Perfect colour balance with wrong enhancement settings won’t produce a picture that either of us will accept.

The relatively new Sencore OTC1000 non-contact meter that I have been using for the past 4 months is far more accurate than the previous contact probes and shows up defects that previously went undetected by machines, though trained human eyes might have suggested that all was not well.

The Pioneer colour management system (RGBCMY settings under pro adjust) were dire with the pre-8g screens. They appeared to be much better on the 8G screens but extensive testing suggests that they still don’t work. I can shift each of the primary and secondary colours using the CMS to align almost exactly with the REC 709 standard. What I cannot do is to align them and also keep their luminance value (brightness) correct. Gordon has found the same problem and may be going to expose this on AV Forums, though it won’t go down well. Making big adjustments within the CMS system to correct primaries also still impacts on the grayscale and makes it impossible to get an accurate D65 setting."

I personally have been waiting months for a proper calibration, anyone claiming a perfect calibration on 8th gen Pioneer screens is either misinformed or deluded I'm afraid.

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

David,

The person who sent you this uses Sencore software. It is NOT as functional as the datacolor software on the 8G's and they are correct that it doesn't work to a high enough standard as it doesn't give control of all the options. The datacolor tools, if used correctly, can get you a much more accurate calibrated image. Yes it's not possible to get perfect colouromitry but then it never has been. Sensible use of the CMS can get you a more accurate image with low delta errors for primaries and secondaries. This isn't really a big secret.

If you really want the most accurate image fidelity then get a Radiance......

Gordon

[kingfats]

I personally have been waiting months for a proper calibration, anyone claiming a perfect calibration on 8th gen Pioneer screens is either misinformed or deluded I'm afraid.

Hi mremulator. :)
Loads of members on this forum have had their Pioneer 8th gen's properly calibrated. :smashin:
All the best.

[Turbe]

The person who sent you this uses Sencore software. It is NOT as functional as the datacolor software on the 8G's

Greetings,

ControlCAL is another option that also allows full access to all the ISFccc Controls in the 8G's.

-Shawn

[Piers]

The Sencore solution that Gordon referred to was a beta version from prior to Christmas 2007. It is much improved since then and now offers most of the controls that were lacking in the beta. Good results can now be obtained with the Sencore software.

A Lumagen Radiance will indeed sort out primary / secondary luminance values which cannot be optimised with any software that merely alters the Pioneer menus - Sencore, ColorFacts etc. etc

[mremulator]

Guys, I was under the distinct impression that up until a few weeks ago there was NO fully functional software for Pioneer 8th gen screens... is this not actually the case? :confused:

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

There has been software available since before Xmas that has had the ability to control every adjustment that Pioneer made available in the ISF menu tree. As Piers said I was referring to an early beta sample of the Sencore software. I have no knowledge of what it can now control.

[mremulator]

There has been software available since before Xmas that has had the ability to control every adjustment that Pioneer made available in the ISF menu tree. As Piers said I was referring to an early beta sample of the Sencore software. I have no knowledge of what it can now control.

Thanks Gordon.

I thought you and Piers did training/seminars together?

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

We do. ISF training. Not SENCORE training.

Gordon

[mremulator]

We do. ISF training. Not SENCORE training.

Gordon

My point is that one would think that fellow ISF calibrators would know what is happening in the market with regards to ISF software. Obviously not.

I try to keep up to speed with what other circuit protection manufacturers (my field of expertise) are up to for example.

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

I am not aware of how beta testing of other maufacturers products is progressing. I am aware of the players in the market, their relative performance and functionality.

[Neil Davidson]

Guys,

Some interesting discussion that I feel compelled to comment on...

I was a little surprised by the negative tone of this comment.

My point is that one would think that fellow ISF calibrators would know what is happening in the market with regards to ISF software. Obviously not.

The clear implication, and terrible misunderstanding here, is that the mysterious "ISF Software" is the key factor differentiating ISF calibrators.

If I could flip this statement back around...


I try to keep up to speed with what other circuit protection manufacturers (my field of expertise) are up to for example.

I would ask if you regularly investigate the oscilloscopes that your competitors use to measure the performance of their products? Would I be correct in assuming that their choice of test equipment is the only thing differentiating them from you?

I don't do any end user calibrations these days but as a distributor of Sencore test equipment and previously of the Datacolor ColorFacts tools, this is a subject I can claim some insight in to!

The core functionality of each piece of sftware is to interface to a measuring probe and then report back the colour of light falling on the probe head. How accurate this data is is laregly dependent on the probe used but all of the Pros I know (and, since apart from Gordon and Piers recent session,T+W have held pretty much every session in Europe over the last couple of years, I guess that is most of them) have a probe that offers acceptable accuracy. Professional debates over low light accuracy or measurement speed are important but irrelevant to this discussion.

What you are paying for is the skill and experience of the calibrator. They know what to change to make that little box move in to the box or to make the error less obnoxious or whatever other little tweak or adjustment will get you a more accurate image. Despite the odd claim to the contrary, no one ever started to get miraculously more accurate results just by changing their tool chain.

The one item that seems to have cuased more chagrin than anything else to those in the business, is Pioneers insistence on using closed software to hide their calibration options. Why a simple password lock isn't good enough...!

Anyway, Pioneer do not themselves offer the tools to access their displays and it is left to the third party vendors to offer a solution. This software is not complicated in operation but bug checking it for correct operation across the myriad of Pioneer models available across the globe is decidedly tricky.

The first software available to work on the G8 Pioneers was included with ColorFacts. The tool wasn't totally bug free but it does give full access to all controls in the display. the one downside was that the adjustment range on each control was limited due to legacy design choices. This only impacted the sharpness control which ideally could do with being a couple of clicks lower. This is a minor drawback compared to the major improvement made to the rest of the image though.

In December, Sencore released a Beta version of their Pioneer C3 interface tool that worked well but only for a subset of the original controls. This was not meant to go on general release but as is always the case with these things it got out there somehow!

In the last couple of weeks a further Beta was made available that includes all controls and with a much wider adjustment range than the ColorFacts C3 tool. This means the sharpness control can be fully corrected as well. No one should realy have this software but I am guessing that at least two of the calibrators who visit AV Forums will have this in their possesion by now.

For now therefore it is not hugely important which tool set your chosen calibrator is using - the skill of that person is what you need!

Going forward, it is almost certain that Datacolor will not come to market with a tool for the G9 Pioneer models leaving Sencore as the main supplier (but note other calibration tools are available which may allow access to the G9 C3).

I hope this post clears up a number of issues.

[Turbe]

(but note other calibration tools are available which may allow access to the G9 C3).


ControlCAL has internal support for the G9's now and I have the G9 Profiles created but I am not making them available outside of Pioneer at this time (though they will be available when the G9's ship, most likely with a new C3 Only Interface for ControlCAL).


-Shawn

[mremulator]

The clear implication, and terrible misunderstanding here, is that the mysterious "ISF Software" is the key factor differentiating ISF calibrators.

If I could flip this statement back around...

I would ask if you regularly investigate the oscilloscopes that your competitors use to measure the performance of their products? Would I be correct in assuming that their choice of test equipment is the only thing differentiating them from you?

I was referring to the range of products my competitors offer to the trade and industry and how they are marketed etc. Basically, keeping my finger on the pulse so to speak. :rolleyes:

I was also under the distinct impression, that the NEW Sencore software was the only FULLY functional software, that allowed ALL of the necessary adjustments for a precise calibration to 8th Gen Pioneers? I'm no expert, therefore, have to believe what I'm told! I thought that no matter how good the ISF calibrator was, that unless they were able to make the necessary adjustments, that the calibration may not be as good as it should be? I then simply wanted to point this out to a few fellow 8th gen owners; I was then told by Gordon that the Datacolor software was in fact fully capable of a full and accurate calibration.

I'm not trying to play Gordon off against Piers or anything like that, however, simply trying to find out which software is more capable if that makes sense?

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

[Turbe]

I was also under the distinct impression, that the NEW Sencore software was the only FULLY functional software, that allowed ALL of the necessary adjustments for a precise calibration to 8th Gen Pioneers?

There are 3 apps, Sencore's (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/Pioneer%20Elite%20Kuro%20ISF%20Toolkit%20v2.0.zip) Utility, C3Remote and ControlCAL (http://www.controlcal.com/).

-Shawn

EDIT: Support for Sencore's App and ControlCAL HERE (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11)

[Fishbones]

Here is the Sencore/Pioneer V2.0 utility.

Kuro ISF C3 Utility (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/Pioneer%20Elite%20Kuro%20ISF%20Toolkit%20v2.0.zip)

[Turbe]

Here is the Sencore/Pioneer V2.0 utility.

Kuro ISF C3 Utility (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/Pioneer%20Elite%20Kuro%20ISF%20Toolkit%20v2.0.zip)

Support HERE (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28)