AVForums.com is the UK's biggest & best home consumer electronics discussion resource New to AVForums.com? Start by reading our introduction here.


Go Back   AVForums.com > Home Electronics > Camcorders and Video Editing

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-02-2003, 1:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
Member
 
Phatboy's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 82
iTrader: (0)
Thanks: Gave 1, Got 0
Video Capture

Advise needed!

Can anyone comment on how best to capture videc to your PC?

I can't quitre understand why I might need a £500 capture card ie pinacle when I could use an IEEE connection which comes as standard on most PCs. I have heard that the original footage is compressed as its captured and hardware does this better than software. I would like to keep the quality as high as possible when capturing. Any one know about this stuff?
__________________
Mark

Give me a Snowboard & Fresh Untracked Powder !
Phatboy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2003, 3:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
Prominent Member
 
MartinImber's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Worcester
Posts: 3,391
iTrader: (0)
Thanks: Gave 11, Got 24
I'm using a Leadtek Myvivo video card for analogue capture with SB Audigy 2 Platinum for sound

Works well
__________________
Martin - Sony KDL46W4500, STRDB930, SLHF950 SuperBeta, Pioneer 575, Castle Pembroke, Keep, & Clydes, Pace Twin PVR, BTVision. Sony TRV33 video camera. PS3
MartinImber is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2003, 2:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
Member
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Godmanchester, Cambs
Posts: 916
iTrader: (0)
Thanks: Gave 3, Got 27
Phatboy,

If you have a digital camcorder with digital in/out, then there is absolutely no need for a capture card, and this will only reduce you capture quality through D/A conversion.

I capture digitally through an IEEE Firewire link into Adobe Premiere at 100% quality. I then edit digitally and output digitally, all at 100% quality, so the edited movie still has first generation digital resolution.

If maximum quality is your goal then you should be looking to remain in the digital domain from input to output.
CarlB is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2003, 12:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
Member
 
Phatboy's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 82
iTrader: (0)
Thanks: Gave 1, Got 0
Thanks Carl

I intend replacing my current digital camera with one with Digital in/out so will be able to download direct to my PC via firewire.

Assuming I use this approach ie all via software how long does it take to down load say 30min of raw footage? is it CPU, memory or HDD dependant?
__________________
Mark

Give me a Snowboard & Fresh Untracked Powder !
Phatboy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2003, 12:59 AM   #5 (permalink)
EvilMudge
Guest
Posts: n/a
Phatboy,

DV footage from most camcorders is read in real time over a 1394 link - in fact I don't think I've seen one that goes faster - so 30 minutes of footage takes 30 minutes to capture.
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2003, 10:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
Member
 
Phatboy's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 82
iTrader: (0)
Thanks: Gave 1, Got 0
Thanks

I assume that via IEEE the quality is unaffected at this rate ie same bitrate on camera is reproduced on PC? Does software choice make much difference in capturing video? If I don't capture at max quality its all down hill from there! I intend outputting to DVD at max quality assuming ive still got some after capture and edditing!
__________________
Mark

Give me a Snowboard & Fresh Untracked Powder !
Phatboy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2003, 10:57 PM   #7 (permalink)
Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Rainham Essex
Posts: 6,792
iTrader: (20)
Thanks: Gave 6, Got 308
When you capture via ieee1394 the quality is fixed at DV quality.
The software on makes a difference to how easy etc it is to work with the camcorder during capture and then what effects etc are available when editing.
When you output the final footage to DVD it needs to be compressed into MPEG-2 format (from DV). This is the standard used on all DVD's and therefore will look equal to your origional footage.
Remember that captured DV will give 4minutes per Gb of disk space and then MPEG-2 will give around 2hours to a 4.7Gb DVD-R so you will need plenty of spare disk space.

Back to your origional question. You do not need to spend £500+ on a DV capture card. Around £20 wqill get you a card and £50 will get a card and some basic editing software.
The expensive cards do a lot of the work in hardware, thus putting less of a load on the PC hardware and often speeding things up. Converting a 2 hour masterpiece from DV to MPEG-2 on most PC's will need all night and a lot of the next day to complete. Cards such as the Matrox RT-X100 will speed this up, but then they cost several hundred pounds.

Mark.
__________________
Lexicon MC-8B. L/C/R: Blue Sky 6.5's, SL/SR/SBL/SBR: Blue Sky 5's, Sub: Velodyne DD-15
Panasonic NV-HS830, VTX-D800U via TiVo, Arcam DV29 & Sony BDP-S500 > Lumagen VisionHDP > Panasonic TH-46PZ85B. Marantz RC9200
MarkE19 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2003, 11:56 PM   #8 (permalink)
Member
 
Phatboy's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 82
iTrader: (0)
Thanks: Gave 1, Got 0
Thanks Mark

At last this is all starting to make sence! (well sort of).

As long as I know I can capture via firewire at full DV quality I can then concern myself with the spec of my new PC and editing software. I intend getting a very fast PC - AMD 2400 with a 1GB memory and a 120GB drive for video 60GB drive for software. Only thing I would still like advise on is graphics cards I cant really tell the difference between their specs and what level i really need.

Any views would be welcom on suitable PC spec for DV video to DVD.
__________________
Mark

Give me a Snowboard & Fresh Untracked Powder !
Phatboy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2003, 2:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Rainham Essex
Posts: 6,792
iTrader: (20)
Thanks: Gave 6, Got 308
Well the PC specs you have listed look fine for editing. As I said above, the faster the PC the better.
Graphics! Most graphics cards with a large amount of memory will do a good job for editing. Most of the 3D features etc. are not needed, but can be handy. Another feature that could be very useful is a duel head card. When editing you will have several windows open at a time, so having 2 monitors will make life a lot easier. This is only a realistic option if you are doing regular editing (due to cost of a second monitor!). I use the Matrox 550 duel head and this is a great card. There are many makes & models that will do an equaly good job. Check the compatability list on the manufacturers web site with any other hardware before deciding on your card.

Mark.
__________________
Lexicon MC-8B. L/C/R: Blue Sky 6.5's, SL/SR/SBL/SBR: Blue Sky 5's, Sub: Velodyne DD-15
Panasonic NV-HS830, VTX-D800U via TiVo, Arcam DV29 & Sony BDP-S500 > Lumagen VisionHDP > Panasonic TH-46PZ85B. Marantz RC9200
MarkE19 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2003, 6:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
Member
 
Phatboy's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 82
iTrader: (0)
Thanks: Gave 1, Got 0
Mark

Thanks for all advise
__________________
Mark

Give me a Snowboard & Fresh Untracked Powder !
Phatboy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2003, 10:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Rainham Essex
Posts: 6,792
iTrader: (20)
Thanks: Gave 6, Got 308
Quote:
Only thing I would still like advise on is graphics cards I cant really tell the difference between their specs and what level i really need.
Once you have decided on the editing software that you want to use, check the recommended hardware specs. This way you will know what is required without going over the top with specs and budget

Mark.
__________________
Lexicon MC-8B. L/C/R: Blue Sky 6.5's, SL/SR/SBL/SBR: Blue Sky 5's, Sub: Velodyne DD-15
Panasonic NV-HS830, VTX-D800U via TiVo, Arcam DV29 & Sony BDP-S500 > Lumagen VisionHDP > Panasonic TH-46PZ85B. Marantz RC9200
MarkE19 is offline  
Reply With Quote

Bookmarks

Tags
capture, video


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 3:37 AM.

AV ForumsOptimised for Firefox.
RSS Feed
AVForums.com is owned and operated by M2N Limited.
Copyright © 2000-2008 M2N E. & O. E.
Global Gold
Web Hosting