How long till HD1 level performances for the masses?

[gazbarber]

How long till this level of performance is reached either through other techs or via cheaper HD1's for the magic £1000 barrier?

As the pace of tech in the projector field seems to be going faster than anything else at the mo, will the next generation models due out this winter come close to the level of Blacks, Shadow detail, contrast and general detail/picture quality?

Or will we see a slightly more incremental upgrade, where little changes maybe better scaling but otherwise everthing is the same.

Really can DLP/LCD compete and bring the price down, and will maby mainstreem manufacturers start using JVC's tech?

[stuart-f]

By way of example I bought a Sony VPL10 in 2001 at a cost of £3,500. The same quality, probably better, can be had for less than a grand now.

Decent LCD PJ's were rarer then and that Sony was one of the first home cinema PJ's worthy of the title so price was really high. I now have an HS60 that I bought just over a year ago for £1400, you'll get one now for less than £900.

I reckon the HD1 will be sub £2k in less than 2 years but can I wait.

[warbie]

I'm hoping the HD1 hits 3k pretty soonish.

[Zag]

Originally Posted by warbie

I'm hoping the HD1 hits 3k pretty soonish.

I'd 2nd that.

I also reckon with the pace of PJ developments, HD 1 performance will be available for about 2K in a year and around 1K in 2 years. Meaning a 2nd hand HD-1 in 2 years time will be worth under a grand!!

Just look at what a 2nd hand 7205 or H78/79 is worth now.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Zag

I'd 2nd that.

I also reckon with the pace of PJ developments, HD 1 performance will be available for about 2K in a year and around 1K in 2 years. Meaning a 2nd hand HD-1 in 2 years time will be worth under a grand!!

Just look at what a 2nd hand 7205 or H78/79 is worth now.

According to a source on AVS JVC will be introducing two new models. One will be positioned above the HD1 and the other below. I'm guessing early 2008 will see the launch.

AVI

[Zag]

I wonder if the one 'above' will use the new 4k panels??

20,000:1 Contrast, 4k res and 1000+ ANSI lumens and the boys across the pond will go crazy...

Not sure if the 4K panels will be ready though for a domestic projector in 2008.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Zag

I wonder if the one 'above' will use the new 4k panels??

20,000:1 Contrast, 4k res and 1000+ ANSI lumens and the boys across the pond will go crazy...

Not sure if the 4K panels will be ready though for a domestic projector in 2008.

I don't think we will see 4k for a while yet.

AVI

[Timbo21]

Originally Posted by Zag

20,000:1 Contrast, 4k res and 1000+ ANSI lumens and the boys across the pond will go crazy...

Why are they going to make 4k panels for the consumer market? We've barely got 1080 off the ground. I would imagine 1080p will be staying for some time, so I can't see any benefit and only some downsides because of scaling.

T.

[gazbarber]

JVC develops smallest ever 4K2K D-ILA chipset

[Zag]

Some more detail

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2007/infoc...r_release.html

Rumours are JVC are readying a 4K home cinema projector for 2008, but I don't see the need for it to be honest, just yet. Besides 2008 still sounds rather optimistic.

[anibap]

a competitor for JVC---

http://www.projectorreviews.com/Shar...agequality.php

[Zag]

Originally Posted by anibap

a competitor for JVC---

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In a word ' NO '. £6K to £7K for a rainbow generator.

Serioulsy though despite the fact that DLP has done next to nothing to address its biggest flaw for those susceptible to the RBE, it's an excellent projector by the look of things.

Personally due to my own sensitivities I wouldn't bother.

I like prefer projectors that mix their colours up before projecting them......

However to keep balance if you are in the HD-1 market it certainly is worth a demo to find out.

[monkeykong]

Originally Posted by Zag

In a word ' NO '. £6K to £7K for a rainbow generator.

Serioulsy though despite the fact that DLP has done next to nothing to address its biggest flaw for those susceptible to the RBE, it's an excellent projector by the look of things.

Personally due to my own sensitivities I wouldn't bother.

I like prefer projectors that mix their colours up before projecting them......

However to keep balance if you are in the HD-1 market it certainly is worth a demo to find out.

I have the Z20000's younger brother (12000 MkII). I have had over 30 people come over and watch films and not one has complained of rainbows. IMO the whole rainbow thing is blown out of proportion. The black levels are the closest thing you will get to the JVC (this is not my opinion but what I have read from installers over at avs). If you havn't demo'd the Sharp I would consider it. If its better than my 12K it must be outstanding. The upper end of Sharp projectors use excellent optics and this is reflected in the brilliant picture. I personally used to see rainbows on DLP's and they used to make my head hurt, but I have never seen one on my projector.

Back to the original post though, I do believe it is possible to get JVC performance at a fraction of the price. You can always import if you are up for the risk. I bought my Sharp 12k for £1k in the US. My sister in law carried it over for me and I paid zero customs and tax so all it cost me was $2050 . I wouldn't swap it for any 1080p projector below the Ruby and they all cost much more.

The Sharps performance has shown me how crucial black levels are compared to contrast ratios which most people consider to be king. IMO you can get performance very close the JVC at a fraction of the price.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by monkeykong

Back to the original post though, I do believe it is possible to get JVC performance at a fraction of the price. You can always import if you are up for the risk. I bought my Sharp 12k for £1k in the US. My sister in law carried it over for me and I paid zero customs and tax so all it cost me was $2050 . I wouldn't swap it for any 1080p projector below the Ruby and they all cost much more.


The Sharps performance has shown me how crucial black levels are compared to contrast ratios which most people consider to be king. IMO you can get performance very close the JVC at a fraction of the price.

Interesting comment about the Ruby as many would argue the Pearl performs better overall. How do you find the Ruby compares to the JVC based on your viewing experience ?

AVI

[Zag]

Originally Posted by monkeykong

IMO you can get performance very close the JVC at a fraction of the price.

I'll agree with you on that, but only via the DLP & LCOS route. The Pearl as well but that is a rather big fraction of the JVCs price.

LCD alas is still playing catchup in terms of intra scene contrast although actual black level can be very good.