New 56" And 65" D-ila 1080p

[Redjay]

I have just read that JVC are updating there 56" HD-ila Tv and bringing out a 65". Both will be 1080P and only 27 and 30 cm deep!

They sound great. Has anybody else heard anything?

[Razor]

Why have they gone down from a 70" to a 65"

Shame.

[Phill1978]

Originally Posted by Razor

Why have they gone down from a 70" to a 65"

Shame.

*** some people are never happy


this is great news, i remember asking only a month or two ago and getting the "wont be happening for ages or at all" shpiel.

glad to see this is out hope its priced aggressivly as a.) lcd`s are getting bigger,better,cheaper and feature 1080p HDMI and plasma`s have that viewing angle and great colours + blacks to support their over power hungry low detail, heavy screen burned asses

[NicolasB]

I'd almost made my mind up to buy a 55A2000, but if these are coming any time soon I might have to change tack. Anyone have any idea about UK release dates? And about price or performance compared to Sony?

[AnD]

Originally Posted by Razor

Why have they gone down from a 70" to a 65"

Shame.

They didn't they have 58" 65" 70" sizes.

look for photos here:
http://www.hdtv.com.pl/forum/showthread.php?t=11457

AnD

[pppp1]

What about HDMI 1.3?

AVSForum link here for those that don't speak polish.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=801488

[Razor]

Originally Posted by AnD

They didn't they have 58" 65" 70" sizes.

look for photos here:
http://www.hdtv.com.pl/forum/showthread.php?t=11457

AnD

A big thank you a 1090p 70" screen, looks very nice from the pictures shown. I m looking forward to seeing this in the flesh.

pppp1 - Isnt HDMI mainly for HD sound and doesnt make a difference on the picture. It gives the sound channels extra bandwidth for 7.1 HD DTS and Dolby.
I think this is the only difference.

[pppp1]

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6679129-1.html

What do you think?

[NicolasB]

Originally Posted by pppp1

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6679129-1.html

What do you think?

The question you need to ask is: if you were to take a present-generation TV and change its HDMI input from (say) version 1.1 to version 1.3, what difference would that make to the TV's capabilities? The answer is: absolutely no difference whatever. I think you would be most ill-advised to hold off a purchase because of HDMI version.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by NicolasB

The question you need to ask is: if you were to take a present-generation TV and change its HDMI input from (say) version 1.1 to version 1.3, what difference would that make to the TV's capabilities? The answer is: absolutely no difference whatever. I think you would be most ill-advised to hold off a purchase because of HDMI version.

I agree. Maybe it would be relevant for a receiver purchase (ie the HDMI 1.3 gives you Dolby TrueHD and HD DTS due to the extra bandwidth over HDMI).

[pppp1]

How do you see the possibility of 10-bit (and higher) films and games being released?

[NicolasB]

Originally Posted by pppp1

How do you see the possibility of 10-bit (and higher) films and games being released?

You'd need an entire new data format for that. No TV in existence (including the ones with HDMI 1.3) would be able to understand the signal, and no player currently in existence would even be able to read the data off the disc. Any film released like this would have to be remastered. Even if the TV could be made to understand the signal, you'd probably also have to wait for next-gen display technology (laser, LED-backlight, etc.) to actually be able to display that kind of dynamic range.

Basically it would be an entire new generation of products for both the hardware and the software. I think you're talking years rather than months before we see it.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by NicolasB

You'd need an entire new data format for that. No TV in existence (including the ones with HDMI 1.3) would be able to understand the signal, and no player currently in existence would even be able to read the data off the disc. Any film released like this would have to be remastered. Even if the TV could be made to understand the signal, you'd probably also have to wait for next-gen display technology (laser, LED-backlight, etc.) to actually be able to display that kind of dynamic range.

Basically it would be an entire new generation of products for both the hardware and the software. I think you're talking years rather than months before we see it.

You bet me to it.

pppp1 - Its a bit like these displays that are sold as HD displays just because they accept a 720p, 1080i, 1080p HD signal over a digital connection with HDCP but only have a resolution 852 x 480.

[welwynnick]

Originally Posted by pppp1

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6679129-1.html

What do you think?

What a lot of rubbish. HDMI V1.1 can carry 1080p60 YCbCr 4:2:2 12 bit video and 5.1 24/96 LPCM audio. What more do you need?

Nick

[Liam @ Prog AV]

A minor point on 1.3 - it will have integated AV sync delay which I would imagine will need feedback from the display on which specific point in time it is showing what frame. However I also agree that it is total madness to wait for a HDMI 1.3 display, for one thing AV sync can easily be solved elsewhere. For another, by the time and useful HDMI 1.3 functions have hit the main market you will be almost onto buying your next telly! Probably cheaper over the next 10 years to buy a decent priced HDMI 1.2 now and then a decent priced HDMI 1.3 in 5 years time than to pay over the odds for 1.3, which won't be available until the end of the year, which will be a very early model and probably not realise the technology in full anyway.

Anyway, rant over, to my post. Was at JVC yesterday auditioning the HD1 in their nice new projection room (brilliant machine by the way, although the VXP gave up some line twitter and moire that I didn't expect). On the way in I was caught by this fantastic looking RPTV sat in the corner of the showroom which turned out to be a pre-production of the 56" 1080p model, and quite usefully was also sat right next to the older 720p 70" for a wee bit of comparison. I can without doubt say this is going to be one of the best RPTVs on the market. THe contrast and blacks achieved were incredible. I toyed around with the system (which was on very basic beta software) and the range of contrast I could get in what weren't the best conditions really did blow me away. And this was the 10,000:1 pre-production chip when the final unit later this year will be 15,000:1 . I wish I could go on abouth the PQ but I was dissapointed with the video processing compared to the older unit which they put down to the DILA chip but I was less sure of. Some detail loss was evident compared to the 70" where lots of EE was evident instead! So being such an early unit they can be forgiven, for now.... But I must say it's one of those things where I woke up this morning and my first thought as I was watching Sky News on my Panasonic plasma was that the JVC would have probably done a better job.

I was expecting to go to JVC and find a load of cheap CE crap (which I did) and only the projector being anything I could use for installs. This TV has totally brought me back to RPTV and has reinspired my respect for JVC. Not least of all because it's only about a foot deep, has 1080p input and RS232 control, discrete IRs, a bezel that is about 2cm at most on top and sides, and they have a specially made wall kit where you cut out a section of wall and just push in the screen until it is about 6cm or so proud of the wall i.e. looks like a sunken in plasma screen. Someone's definitely got their thinking hat on at JVC. Just wish they're sales guys actually had an idea of price and launch dates