If this is true, bluray wins

[Ferry]

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/a...kuphddvd-tool/

HD-DVD hacked?

[andythescientis]

Originally Posted by Ferry

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/a...kuphddvd-tool/

HD-DVD hacked?

From the link it's AACS that's been hacked (if you believe it) which is used by both HD DVD and Blu-ray so it makes no difference for either format. You could equally do the same thing with a blu-ray disk player in a lap top.

Not particularly supprised if it's true. While any format is available on both stand alones and PCs they will get hacked.

[dino2021]

Saw this earlier.

I don't see why hd dvd is finished, thought the new AACS were meant to be adaptable to cover problems like this.

I will believe it when I see it in the public domain, shaky camcorder footage proves nothing. I saw a magician make a car vanish once

[av-phile]

Whether true or not, I have never had any doubt the AACS can be cracked sooner or later. Cracking AACS is not just bad news for HD DVD but also for Blurry. Though BLurry still has a security ace up its sleeve in the BD+.

I am just a bit concerned that if this is true, and the crack becomes available to pirates at this time, then this will surely be a disincentive for studios to bring out any more titles to high def. I had hope something like this would happen when both formats have already reached critical mass the studios can't ignore. The same way studios can't help but release new DVD titles even if they knew there'd be pirated versions in a matter of days.

[zeroprobe]

Seems to be legit, wish I had the equipment test it.

[neilios]

There's a thread discussing it here .

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=776280
Good news lol.

[toycollector]

As long as big companys try to fleece the public.Their will be someone around trying to stop them.Prices for many electrical items are far higher in the UK than the US.Just do a price search for the Toshiba HDD player.When i first read about the price of the Samsung Blue Ray i honestly thought that it was a recordable machine.Their have been many reports of price fixing on the LCD tv front.So good luck to anyone who gets one over on the big guys.(if they can hack this then it doesn't look good for the Governments ID cards!!)

[StooMonster]

Originally Posted by toycollector

(if they can hack this then it doesn't look good for the Governments ID cards!!)

The Guardian hacked the new 'secure' passports -- same tech as ID cards -- within hours.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homea...838754,00.html

Now criminals can sit outside airports with RFID readers and steal your entire 'secure' identity ... nice move Tony Blair.

Of cource USA has abandoned RDID tags in their passports / ID cards as they are too insecure, but they demand that countries like UK issues them to their citizens for 'easy of use' at US border controls. Poodle-Blair stands up for British again.

StooMonster

[andythescientis]

Originally Posted by StooMonster

The Guardian hacked the new 'secure' passports -- same tech as ID cards -- within hours.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homea...838754,00.html

Now criminals can sit outside airports with RFID readers and steal your entire 'secure' identity ... nice move Tony Blair.

Of cource USA has abandoned RDID tags in their passports / ID cards as they are too insecure, but they demand that countries like UK issues them to their citizens for 'easy of use' at US border controls. Poodle-Blair stands up for British again.

StooMonster

Only thing with this is what's the point of copying the chip? You put it in a fake passport, but unless they have your key (fingerprint, or iris) it's useless and can't be used. That's the whole point it ties the passport to the individual. Before we get into fake fingerprints and iris contact lenses this is the real world not MI3

Don't however get me started about traveling into the US, 1 hour que's every time you travel are nothing short of a disgrace. I often wonder how americans would react if we had a que specifically for them when they come and visit europe, with one instpector on for 500 people, while we waltz through a section with 10 inspectors for 50 people....

[StooMonster]

Originally Posted by andythescientis

Only thing with this is what's the point of copying the chip? You put it in a fake passport, but unless they have your key (fingerprint, or iris) it's useless and can't be used. That's the whole point it ties the passport to the individual. Before we get into fake fingerprints and iris contact lenses this is the real world not MI3

So maybe one criminal step, cloning passports may be slightly harder because they haven't managed to re-encrypt (yet) ... although they can read your biometric keys (finger-prints and iris scans), surely useful to criminals for 'identity theft'? A perfect digital clone of all your ID details and proof of ID all in one place will prove much more lucrative than fake passports.

Or how about criminals sitting at airport / border control and scanning a family leaving for holiday to acquire their name and address details, so they can use their name and property for whatever they want whilst they are away?

The Dutch have been lumbered with the same tech, and had their biometric passports cracked and biometric data read nearly a year ago. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01...assport_crack/

StooMonster

[andythescientis]

Originally Posted by StooMonster

So maybe one criminal step, cloning passports may be slightly harder because they haven't managed to re-encrypt (yet) ... although they can read your biometric keys (finger-prints and iris scans), surely useful to criminals for 'identity theft'? A perfect digital clone of all your ID details and proof of ID all in one place will prove much more lucrative than fake passports.

Or how about criminals sitting at airport / border control and scanning a family leaving for holiday to acquire their name and address details, so they can use their name and property for whatever they want whilst they are away?

The Dutch have been lumbered with the same tech, and had their biometric passports cracked and biometric data read nearly a year ago. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01...assport_crack/

StooMonster

I totally accept the points you're making, however i do thing people tend to get a bit carried away with this sort of thing.

What can any criminal do with your fingerprint data or iris, without your fingers and eyes. I've now had my fingerprints taken in the US a half a dozen times. It's never worried me what they might do with that biometric data. The point of that data on passports is you need to present both your passport and your fingers on entry, if they don't match then you get a free trip to a deportation center. Criminals won't be able to use the data to steal your identity.

As for scanning for families going on holiday. Less scrupulous taxi drivers have been doing this for years. Where's the greater risk here?

I do find it interesting to debate these things If it was me i'd have everyone DNA on record too though, i'm not big on civil liberties, when it comes to preventing crime

[StooMonster]

Originally Posted by andythescientis

If it was me i'd have everyone DNA on record too though, i'm not big on civil liberties, when it comes to preventing crime

Preventing crime? Like all the camera watching our every move make UK have the lowest crime rates in Europe?

Bunch of bureaucratic box-ticking control-freaks spending billions of pounds of tax payers money, with the goal that National Identity Register can track your every transcation to ensure you are not avoiding tax ... which pays to keep them in jobs.

StooMonster

[dino2021]

can we keep this on topic please

[andythescientis]

Originally Posted by StooMonster

Preventing crime? Like all the camera watching our every move make UK have the lowest crime rates in Europe?

Bunch of bureaucratic box-ticking control-freaks spending billions of pounds of tax payers money, with the goal that National Identity Register can track your every transcation to ensure you are not avoiding tax ... which pays to keep them in jobs.

StooMonster

Cameras are a very lazy public stunt to make some individuals feel better, and keep jerramy beedle in a job.

A national DNA database however would catch an untold number of criminals. However we'd have to begin kulling prisoners on a large scale to keep them at managable numbers. That or we need to find another australia to send them all too, er what about the moon.......

[andythescientis]

Originally Posted by dino2021

can we keep this on topic please