View Full Version : Superman Returns HD DVD - Poor PQ!
ScouserAndy
21-12-2006, 9:35 PM
Is it just me or does anyone think superman returns on HD looks rubbish, no where near MI:3 standards!!
Very dissapointed :(
Rob100
21-12-2006, 10:07 PM
Is it just me or does anyone think superman returns on HD looks rubbish, no where near MI:3 standards!!
Very dissapointed :(
For a new movie, the PQ of SR is terrible on both SD and HD-DVD. I was also very dissapointed with the PQ and TBH the movie itself :boring:
nwgarratt
21-12-2006, 10:47 PM
I recently watch it on SD DVD and thought the picture quality was awful despite being 7.2GB.
Max Payne
22-12-2006, 8:45 AM
Have to agree here (in relation to the SD one) - the picture is not impressive and the sound is quite awful in the dialogue parts.
The hole film is a massive :thumbsdow from me
Army Bloke
22-12-2006, 10:31 PM
I've actually been going on about the poor PQ on the SD disc since it was released...but other people here seem to think it's OK. The revirewer at AVPlay gave the picture 10/10 IIRC...and used the word "breathtaking"...:god:
It has the worst macroblocking and solarisation I have seen for many years.
Review here (http://avplay.avforums.com/index.php?showreview=8284)
Rob100
23-12-2006, 9:00 AM
I've actually been going on about the poor PQ on the SD disc since it was released...but other people here seem to think it's OK. The revirewer at AVPlay gave the picture 10/10 IIRC...and used the word "breathtaking"...:god:
It has the worst macroblocking and solarisation I have seen for many years.
Review here (http://avplay.avforums.com/index.php?showreview=8284)
One reason not to trust reviews... How it can be described as lush and colourful is quite beyond me. I think dull, flat and lifeless would be a better description.
Geoff_D
24-12-2006, 11:10 PM
The HD-DVD has superb TrueHD sound and very good picture quality. The only thing that lets the PQ down is occasional colour banding in some underwater shots.
wolftag
25-12-2006, 2:59 AM
Well, this is a relief :) This is the first movie I watched on my new LCD flat panel with upscaling Sony DVD player. The macroblocking and banding was terrible! This is just plain old DVD, so knowing that the HD DVD is also bad puts me at ease.
John Pickles
25-12-2006, 8:52 AM
I have not seen the HD version, only the SD disc. I agree that the cour pallete is very muted, almost sepia in places. I think a lot of the blame for this must go to the Director, who chose this to try and give a 40's & 50's 'feel' to the film. As I remember, it was much the same in the Cinema.
ScouserAndy
25-12-2006, 9:02 AM
Have you seen any of the extras yet? They shot the film using a brand new type of digi camera made by sony, wonder if the blueray disc will look better???
Rob100
25-12-2006, 3:48 PM
The HD-DVD has superb TrueHD sound and very good picture quality. The only thing that lets the PQ down is occasional colour banding in some underwater shots.
And you're watching this on what hardware...? There's NO WAY you can say it has good picture quality :confused: :lease:
Packetfront
25-12-2006, 4:27 PM
Looks great on Blu-ray.
Will Scarlet
25-12-2006, 5:10 PM
Can't comment on HD DVD but it looks great on R2 SD DVD.
Macroblocking? you have got to be kidding, I suggest you check your equipment.
HitmanKelly
25-12-2006, 5:50 PM
Can't comment on HD DVD but it looks great on R2 SD DVD.
Macroblocking? you have got to be kidding, I suggest you check your equipment.
My R3 SD was very poor indeed! That final scene with Superman in the bedroom..:eek:
Great movie though :thumbsup:
Army Bloke
25-12-2006, 6:39 PM
Can't comment on HD DVD but it looks great on R2 SD DVD.
Macroblocking? you have got to be kidding, I suggest you check your equipment.
The equipment's fine thank you. How do I know? Everything else looks fine and dandy...including all four Chris Reeve films in the tin.
Will Scarlet
25-12-2006, 7:22 PM
Okay Armoured I'm blind, I can't see macroblocking but it is there. Neither can Chris McEneaney, a reliable and trusted AVPlay reviewer, with a setup that would undoubtedly put yours and mine to shame. Actually, neither can any reviewer of the DVD I've so far read. Sure they say the picture is a little soft but this is by design and not a PQ issue. The DVD is a fair representation of what was shown in the cinema in both colour palette and picture softness.
So I apologise if I insulted you, it was not my intent, but you either have a dodgy DVD or a dodgy setup.
P.S.
Having just a cursory look in the Denon section of the forum I have found some information regarding the Faroudja chip in your DVD player. Apparently they are prone to macroblocking, it is a design flaw. It would interest me to know whether you are using HDMI and upscaling SR, because if you are your Denon is almost certainly the problem.
nwgarratt
25-12-2006, 11:18 PM
The SD DVD is pretty awful. It was the poor choice of colours and everything looked so dull and lifeless.
Will Scarlet
25-12-2006, 11:52 PM
The SD DVD is pretty awful. It was the poor choice of colours and everything looked so dull and lifeless.
I give up. Do me a favour NW, find me a review that states SR has macroblocking and is a DVD with poor PQ. Don't listen to me I'm obviously deficient in the vision department, go find a reviewer that supports the the OP point.
The fact that you don't like the colour palette or focus is not the issue here.
nwgarratt
26-12-2006, 12:04 AM
I give up. Do me a favour NW, find me a review that states SR has macroblocking and is a DVD with poor PQ. Don't listen to me I'm obviously deficient in the vision department, go find a reviewer that supports the the OP point.
The fact that you don't like the colour palette or focus is not the issue here.
I didn't say it has macroblocking. I don't need a review. I have seen it on three different projectors and two TV's and they all looked the same. Ha;f the time the red cape looked brown then red then brown again. It was way too dark as well.
R4 Review (same transfer to R2)
http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ID=7445
Originally shot in high definition using the new Panavision Genesis HD camera, I was expecting a lot out of this transfer. Ultimately, it disappoints. Whilst not a bad picture, it is certainly not clear and in many places is undeniably soft. The other consideration is that it's a long movie, so it could be compression related. I'm not sure what the culprit is. Being the first film being shot on this camera perhaps WHV had the training wheels on for this transfer. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray reviews are positive so the master must look good. Too bad that our SD transfer falls short.
Shadow detail is not great either as the picture tends to get a little muddied and grainy when the shot is not brightly lit.
Colours are on the muted side and not as real world bright as they should be. Many scenes look surprisingly drab.
[nothing]
26-12-2006, 12:18 AM
Looks great on Blu-ray.
..I would just like to point out, that both the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD versions look exactly the same to me. And by this I mean that they both look a little drab, understated and hardly the stuff that i'd recommend showing anyone as an example of the next generation of visual media.
I much prefer how the original Superman movie (and the directors cut of the second for that matter) looks on HD-DVD.
Will Scarlet
26-12-2006, 12:45 AM
I didn't say it has macroblocking. I don't need a review. I have seen it on three different projectors and two TV's and they all looked the same. Ha;f the time the red cape looked brown then red then brown again. It was way too dark as well.
I knew after I'd posted that you'd be able to find at least one negative review, dumb of me really. I think your quote above says a lot though. In point of fact the cape was not red nor was it supposed to be. The cape was maroon, and the script even points to this by asking if Supermans outfit is new, thus highlighting the fact that his outfit has changed. In fact the cape remains maroon for the whole film, it is only the lighting that changes from scene to scene. Like life really.
P.S.
Michaels Review Equipment
DVD Marantz DV4300, using Component output
Display Sony VPL HS10 projector on 100 inch 16x9 screen + Palsonic 76WSHD. Calibrated with THX Optimizer. This display device is 16x9 capable.
Audio Decoder Sony STR-DE685. Calibrated with THX Optimizer.
Amplification Pioneer
Speakers DB Dynamics VEGA series floor standers + centre, DB bipole rears, 10" 100W DB Dynamics sub
Forgive me but, with the greatest of respect, I nearly fell out of my standing when I read Michael used 'THX Optimizer' to calibrate his system. I thought everyone on the planet knew that 'THX optimizer' is disc specific and is only useful for the title it is shipped with. I'm sorry but with an error this basic I can hardly take your reviewer too seriously.
Tejstar
26-12-2006, 9:50 AM
Well I'm glad it wasn't just me then. I saw this on HD-DVD last night and was left completely underwhelmed by the picture. At one point I had to check to make sure I was playing the HD-DVD side of the combo disc as it was no way near the transfer of KK on HD-DVD. I'm sure they could have done a lot better with this release.
nwgarratt
26-12-2006, 10:19 AM
Forgive me but, with the greatest of respect, I nearly fell out of my standing when I read Michael used 'THX Optimizer' to calibrate his system. I thought everyone on the planet knew that 'THX optimizer' is disc specific and is only useful for the title it is shipped with. I'm sorry but with an error this basic I can hardly take your reviewer too seriously.
I didn't know that and that sounds so a dumb idea for THX to do. The last thing people will want to do is spend x amount of time calibrating everytime they put a DVD in. I thought the THX was the same on every disc and you did it just once. I am glad I don't bother with any that. I would end up spending more time calibrating than actually watching something.
He is only reporting exactly what I saw (I read it after I saw the DVD) and many other people have. I would take it a lot seriously than anyone who claims the picture is perfect or even every just very good.
Army Bloke
26-12-2006, 11:15 AM
Well WS...seems like you are actually in the minority here with this POS excuse for a modern DVD release. Maybe it's your kit that needs calibrating, mine was only installed and calibrated by a THX certified install engineer (Mark Cheffins) who used DVE to calibrate the screen and a SPL metre calibrated at Skywalker ranch.
So, while I agree that the reviewers set up is better than my humble 50inch DLP and THX certified sound system, I would disagree that it's been set up/calibrated better than mine.
How come you can't see the banding that is obviously there (as pointed out by several members) yet you accuse us of having inferior/poorly calibrated equipment? I watched it on a 7 year Pansonic DVD player and 14 inch Bush TV in my sons room to prove it wasn't my kit...and the banding was there.
The colours I don't understand...I believe that Brian Singer delibratly lowered the tone of the suit, and can honestly say what I see is actually crimson and not brown. So everyone else must have a crap system...:thumbsdow :grin: :lease:
...and it's a well known fact in the industry that the THX optimizer on Star Wars Ep IV is actually pretty much reference standard and can be used fto set up any system. Some people may find the simplicity of the optimizer easier than navigating DVE...
Pincho Paxton
26-12-2006, 11:51 AM
People who are seeing a scarlet cape in this film in dark scenes are just lying, or imagining things, or on drugs. The cape is brown in the dark, and scarlet in very bright light. Scarlet does not turn brown in the dark, it turns.. dark scarlet.. surprisingly.
Will Scarlet
27-12-2006, 4:51 AM
The colours I don't understand...I believe that Brian Singer delibratly lowered the tone of the suit, and can honestly say what I see is actually crimson and not brown. So everyone else must have a crap system...:thumbsdow :grin: :lease:
Well for starters I'm not having that. At no point in any post have I suggested anyone elses system was crap. All I said was that Chris McEneany probably had a better system than either of us and given that neither his nor any other review I'd read had mentioned macroblocking, that you might check your setup as it could be dodgy. By dodgy I meant faulty, not crap. I also did some research in the Denon section of the forum and on some other AV sites and discovered interesting stuff regards your players chip. This information I then relayed in a post. If you were insulted by this then I'm sorry, but these are hardly the actions of someone bent simply on disparaging your system.
By the way, you didn't answer my question as to whether you were using HDMI and upscaling SR with your Denon.
Maybe it's your kit that needs calibrating, mine was only installed and calibrated by a THX certified install engineer (Mark Cheffins) who used DVE to calibrate the screen and a SPL metre calibrated at Skywalker ranch. So, while I agree that the reviewers set up is better than my humble 50inch DLP and THX certified sound system, I would disagree that it's been set up/calibrated better than mine.
My system too has been calibrated using DVE and an SPL meter.
How come you can't see the banding that is obviously there (as pointed out by several members) yet you accuse us of having inferior/poorly calibrated equipment? I watched it on a 7 year Pansonic DVD player and 14 inch Bush TV in my sons room to prove it wasn't my kit...and the banding was there.
Please read my posts properly, I accused you of nothing and only suggested that the macroblocking could be caused by your players Faroudja chip. Banding was not mentioned by me and at no point did I claim that banding did not occurr. In fact in a post in another thread I pointed out that I found three occassions of banding/haloing, two underwater scenes and one outerspace, but put it down to possible innadequecies in my system. Anyway, I thought these occassions pretty insignificant and would not mark the PQ down by much for that. These were the only issues I found. Chris gave it an 8/10 and I found no reason to disagree with that assessment.
...and it's a well known fact in the industry that the THX optimizer on Star Wars Ep IV is actually pretty much reference standard and can be used fto set up any system. Some people may find the simplicity of the optimizer easier than navigating DVE...
Sorry but this is simply incorrect, THX don't even claim this. In fact they make it clear that the 'THX Optimizer' on their discs is specific to the title it ships with. Yes it's reference standard but only for the DVD it is supplied with. The following from the THX website (link below):
"THX Optimizer is a unique DVD feature from THX Digital Works that optimizes the sound and picture performance of home theater systems for individual DVD titles. This section details the THX Optimizer system and illustrates the maximum benefit the technology delivers.
THX Optimizer consists of a series of tests that make it easier to fine-tune the audio and video performance of a home theater system. But best of all is that the signals used are equal to the final reference levels set during the mastering of each individual release. Thus, the system’s performance can be tailored to each specific movie. As a result, the movie is seen as the director intended."
http://www.thx.com/mod/products/dvd/optimizerIntro.html
He is only reporting exactly what I saw (I read it after I saw the DVD) and many other people have. I would take it a lot seriously than anyone who claims the picture is perfect or even every just very good.
Fair point NW, but whilst I seem to be in a minority in this thread I still quite like the picture. As I've already said, the colour palette and picture softness were stylistic choices and, to me anyway, the transfer seems pretty faithful to that which was shown in the cinema. Horses for courses I guess.
People who are seeing a scarlet cape in this film in dark scenes are just lying, or imagining things, or on drugs. The cape is brown in the dark, and scarlet in very bright light. Scarlet does not turn brown in the dark, it turns.. dark scarlet.. surprisingly.
Sorry Pincho, but having read your lengthy posts on the 'BROWN' tinted Matrix original and your stunning posts on Aspect Ratio and Subtitles:rotfl:, I'm afraid I can't take anything you say seriously. One thing I must point out though is that I have never claimed people were lying or being insincere in their posts. Why have you?
Finally, I'd like to apolgise for going off on a tangent here talking about the SD DVD. The original post was a question about the PQ of the HD DVD of SR. Sorry:oops:
Army Bloke
27-12-2006, 2:11 PM
Will,
I congratulate you on your use of the forums quote facility...:grin:
However, the FACT is - you are in the minority...you (and some reviewers it seems) are not seeing what the rest of us are. In the reviewers case, some of them are probably blinded by the fact that hey'll get no more review discs if the DARE say anything bad...(I said SPME Phil...not all...:))
My DVD player is connected via component and outputting an interlaced signal to my TV which is doing the de-interlacing using it's Farudja chip...which, BTW, is the same one as is in my player...and the muched loved Oppo players here as well.
I've read the reviews on the Denon as well - the problem is the upscaling to 1080p...why would I want to do that if my TV is 720p? :confused:
If you see a perfect picture with no banding in dark and underwater scenes, then good for you. You either have a disc that is different from everybody elses', super duper high end kit that none of us can afford or you are blind...:grin: :grin: (That :grin: means I'm joking about the blind bit BTW...)
Seth Gecko
27-12-2006, 2:14 PM
In the reviewers case, some of them are probably blinded by the fact that hey'll get no more review discs if the DARE say anything bad...(I said SPME Phil...not all...:))
I sincerely hope you don't really think we would write a glowing review JUST because of review copies, because believe me, that's so not the case. (And I think the word you're looking for is SOME not SPME.)
With regards to Superman Returns HD, I can't comment directly because to be absolutely honest, it bored the hell out of me too much to even care about the picture.
Tejstar
27-12-2006, 3:07 PM
With regards to Superman Returns HD, I can't comment directly because to be absolutely honest, it bored the hell out of me too much to even care about the picture.
Lol - echoes my thoughts exactly! :laugh:
Army Bloke
27-12-2006, 5:26 PM
I sincerely hope you don't really think we would write a glowing review JUST because of review copies, because believe me, that's so not the case. (And I think the word you're looking for is SOME not SPME.)
Ypre right. But the p buttpn dpsen't wprk pk my cpmputer!!:clown:
And no, I didn't think you would give it a glowing review for review copies sake...but there are a few places that would...just like hardare reviews.
Lakes_Puma
14-02-2007, 10:33 PM
I have just watched a rental copy of this film (SD) and was very disappointed with the PQ, OK I know the 3910 is susceptible to macroblocking, but in this film it was terrible, along with the previously mentioned banding.
I watched MI:3 last night on exactly the same setup and the PQ was in a different league.
Crabman32
17-02-2007, 10:57 PM
I have to agree with the majority here. I watched the SD version of Superman Returns and was appalled at the PQ. the night and underwater scenes were shocking. I thought it was just my plasma not being up to scratch. then I bought King Kong on HD and it blew me away so I thought I would get the HD version of Superman. Yes, it looks better, but the datker scenes still suck and even some day scenes have loads of grain. Gutted. Read some reviews of the HD disc and they said it was stunning. Thought it was my set up again but how can King Kong look so good and not Superman. Waiting for The Departed to arrive next week and will have a better idea if it is just my display or that the Supes transfer is complete bobbins. I'll let you know the verdict.
I'm currently watching this on a Sharp 42XDE1 through HDMI (1080p) Oppo 981.
It has one of the worst transfers I have ever seen. The macroblocking is dreadful.
My 4 year old "Mask of Zorro" Superbit is HiDef by comparison.
Heck even my SD version of "The Mummy" (still excellent) blows it away.
alpha10
18-02-2007, 5:34 PM
I have to agree with the majority here. I watched the SD version of Superman Returns and was appalled at the PQ. the night and underwater scenes were shocking. I thought it was just my plasma not being up to scratch. then I bought King Kong on HD and it blew me away so I thought I would get the HD version of Superman. Yes, it looks better, but the datker scenes still suck and even some day scenes have loads of grain. Gutted. Read some reviews of the HD disc and they said it was stunning. Thought it was my set up again but how can King Kong look so good and not Superman. Waiting for The Departed to arrive next week and will have a better idea if it is just my display or that the Supes transfer is complete bobbins. I'll let you know the verdict.
I thought Superman was OK in places but mainly quite poor by comparison to many of my other HD-DVDs.
Watched 'The Departed' last night, it was very good in places but soft most of the way through. This appears to be another one which some people are suggesting as one of the best, well I didn't see it that way......Great film by the way.
Cheers
bosque
18-02-2007, 6:35 PM
The Departed doesn't look soft on my set-up, but then I'm not watching it from a projector which you presumably are. I've got a 32" Loewe LCD with the sharpness setting at 3. When I hear people say their HD-DVD looks soft I wonder if they have the sharpness setting turned off (as is often recommended). Some sharpness adds a little spice to the picture so don't disable it the function.
alpha10
18-02-2007, 6:39 PM
The Departed doesn't look soft on my set-up, but then I'm not watching it from a projector which you presumably are. I've got a 32" Loewe LCD with the sharpness setting at 3. When I hear people say their HD-DVD looks soft I wonder if they have the sharpness setting turned off (as is often recommended). Some sharpness adds a little spice to the picture so don't disable it the function.
Yeah, I'm on an 8 foot screen and it is not very forgiving of the source material, don't get me wrong some of the film looked amazing just wasn't consistant all the way through unfortunately.Still brilliant film, even her in-doors enjoyed it:eek:
Just got my Xbox HD-DVD drive and I ordered this movie because I liked it but kinda wish I checked some sites to see what was the best HD-DVD PQ wise.
Now I have never watched a HD-DVD before and when I put this film on to check it I have to admit I was pretty impressed, still not quite what I was expecting but miles better than DVD.
My TV is an LG 32LC2DB and I have my 360 connected via VGA. I haven't sat down and watched it yet (will do tonight) but from looking at certainly bits for like 10mins each time, I haven't seen anything wrong with the picture at all. The sound is very low but then I don't have a surround sound setup yet, so that doesn't bother me.
Obviously I have no other HD-DVD's to compare to this one yet but like I said first impressions for me were very good. The picture is nice and crystal clear just like when playing games on my 360 and the colours are very nice.
So for me this gets the thumbs.
On a side note while I'm posting here anyone got a suggestion of what HD-DVD I should get to see the best PQ on HD-DVD so far?
High_Def DVD
19-02-2007, 4:25 PM
Just got my Xbox HD-DVD drive and I ordered this movie because I liked it but kinda wish I checked some sites to see what was the best HD-DVD PQ wise.
On a side note while I'm posting here anyone got a suggestion of what HD-DVD I should get to see the best PQ on HD-DVD so far?
King Kong is a master piece. Look also at this http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475628
King Kong is a master piece. Look also at this http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475628
Thanks mate. I've got King Kong on DVD but I might have to get it on HD-DVD aswell now lol.
Just finished watching Superman Returns and I have to agree with everyone on here, it isn't consistent throughout. Some scenes looks really good but then others are very bad. Some parts are very grainy like the bit when the earthquake happens and once it hits the Daily Planet and shows the TV's smashing inside, it looks extremely grainy in that part. I also saw the macroblocking under the water which isn't very eye pleasing.
In general though it was very good but just bits let it down for me because I was expecting it to be perfect all the way through but I guess not :(
Crabman32
19-02-2007, 8:32 PM
I think we should all ask for a refund for our Superman Returns HD DVDs as this is not what Hi Def is supposed to be like. A new film like that should be pristine as it was alll shot on digital cameras. No excuse. Warner Brothers should be ashamed of themselves. I paid £25 for my copy as well. Feel a proper mug. :mad:
nwgarratt
19-02-2007, 8:42 PM
It was the way the film was edited. Both the DVD and HD DVD suffer from the same problems. A digital camera doesn't mean it will be pristine. They create a certain look to the film (look at 28 Days Later).
Crabman32
19-02-2007, 8:47 PM
It was the way the film was edited. Both the DVD and HD DVD suffer from the same problems. A digital camera doesn't mean it will be pristine. They create a certain look to the film (look at 28 Days Later).
Are you trying to tell me that Bryan Singer deliberatly meant for Superman Returns to look washed out, excessivly grainy in some shots and uneven in sharpness levels? Hardly. Its poor authoring. Simple as that.
Smurfin
19-02-2007, 9:08 PM
It was grainy and washed out in the cinema, you think that's poor authoring ;) (although macro blocking is a different story)
Crabman32
19-02-2007, 9:16 PM
I have to say i didnt notice any of those problems at the cinema. I just cant believe that a film that cost $200 million to make was shot with such inconsistency using state if the art Genesis Panavision cameras. Doesnt make any sense to me. Anyway, regardless of whether it is a problem with the DVD or its just the way it was shot, it still looks complete bobbnis to me. Shame because I genuinely liked the film and was really looking forward to watching it on King Kong quality HD. Suppose Im just severly dissapointed. Oh well, got The Departed coming tomorrow. Fingers crossed, although from what I have read the transfer is superb. Huzzah! :thumbsup:
ScouserAndy
19-02-2007, 9:46 PM
I have to say i didnt notice any of those problems at the cinema. I just cant believe that a film that cost $200 million to make was shot with such inconsistency using state if the art Genesis Panavision cameras. Doesnt make any sense to me. Anyway, regardless of whether it is a problem with the DVD or its just the way it was shot, it still looks complete bobbnis to me. Shame because I genuinely liked the film and was really looking forward to watching it on King Kong quality HD. Suppose Im just severly dissapointed. Oh well, got The Departed coming tomorrow. Fingers crossed, although from what I have read the transfer is superb. Huzzah! :thumbsup:
Where did you get your copy of the departed from?
Crabman32
19-02-2007, 10:13 PM
Where did you get your copy of the departed from?
Got it from PlayUSA mate. £17.99. Not cheap I know but it was in stock and shipped in 48 hours.
irascian
20-02-2007, 6:43 AM
It was grainy and washed out in the cinema, you think that's poor authoring ;) (although macro blocking is a different story)
I recall being very impressed with the picture at the cinema (admittedly it was an Imax screening with parts of the film in 3D). The HD-DVD on the other hand, was flat and lifeless. Made me glad I actually went to the cinema to see it, where usually even the standard DVD has better colour rendition/print quality than I'm used to seeing in the cinema (I think "Brokeback Mountain" was the worst - yellow almost sepia-toned lifeless, soft print compared with the beautiful colours and crystal-clear clarity of the DVD).
Overall, I'd agree that "Superman Returns" is a disappointing HD-DVD transfer.
the_pauley
21-02-2007, 12:36 AM
My TV is an LG 32LC2DB and I have my 360 connected via VGA.
I had my XBox and HD DVD drive connected by VGA for a few days. Then I tried the component connection - wow! Noticeable difference. Deeper blacks / better contrast levels, richer colours, better skin tones and overall a more detailed, sharper picture. Switching back to the VGA blacks and dark scenes in particular looked a touch washed out in comparison.
suniil
21-02-2007, 7:26 AM
But there are some serious bass moments, but PQ is poor
Crabman32
21-02-2007, 9:18 AM
I had my XBox and HD DVD drive connected by VGA for a few days. Then I tried the component connection - wow! Noticeable difference. Deeper blacks / better contrast levels, richer colours, better skin tones and overall a more detailed, sharper picture. Switching back to the VGA blacks and dark scenes in particular looked a touch washed out in comparison.
I agree. Component does look better but it still cant make this cacky transfer look upto HD standards.
It's down to personal preference because I've seen other sets with VGA and component (games) and I prefer VGA. I haven't tried component on my TV because I had to get a core on release otherwise I wouldn't of got a 360.
I might end up buying a component lead to see what it's like though because I could be getting a shuttle to sit under my TV and would to need to free up either the HDMI/DVI port which my upscaling DVD player is plugged in or the VGA which my 360 takes up.