Windows Vista

[Strobe]

Hi folks, after some assistance please. I have just installed Vista Beta 2 (Build 5384). I understand that there are now later releases. I can't track down the original link I used for the download. Does anyone know if there is any way I can 'upgrade' to the latest build (RC1?)? Most things are running fine, but have been getting Error 1603 and Error 1305 when trying to install Quake 4 from disc. Any help much appreciated.

[Singh400]

Windows Vista RC1 will be released to the public very soon. Just keep an eye for it. IIRC you can upgrade from one build to another (depending on build), but it is not recommended.

[Retain]

RC1 (build 5600) is out on MSDN now... should have a public release in the next few days.

[Strobe]

Just noticed the Q4 disc was very scratched - probably explains the two different error messages when installing. All pretty stable now. Bit of a RAM hog though.

[mjn]

RC1 (build 5600) is out on MSDN now... should have a public release in the next few days.

and there's a 64-bit version! :clap:

[Singh400]

and there's a 64-bit version! :clap:Which is terrible compared to the 32-bit or so I've read.

[NC11]

Just looked at the MSDN subscribers downloads site. Couldn't find RC1...

Any special location for it?

NC.

[WelshBluebird]

Vista RC1 is on the MS site available to the public now!

link - http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download.htm

I'm currently getting 125KBps on a 1Mbps line (so its maxing it out atm)

[mjn]

Vista RC1 is on the MS site available to the public now!

link - http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download.htm

I'm currently getting 125KBps on a 1Mbps line (so its maxing it out atm)

I was getting 1.74 MB/sec :) :grin:

[Spaced_K]

So someone exaplain to me why i would need this over XP Pro??
Also, practically, how does it compare to Media Center?

[mjn]

So someone exaplain to me why i would need this over XP Pro??
Also, practically, how does it compare to Media Center?

download it, and demo it, and find out? or visit the M$ Vista page.

[Spaced_K]

download it, and demo it, and find out? or visit the M$ Vista page.


Im getting 207 kbps at the mo ..... only up to 1643mb !!!!

I got MCE running downstairs and not sure whether to put the laptop AND PC onto Vista or keep XP Pro.

[Trist]

I'm considering installing this on my main PC but I just wanted to check with the clever people on here that it should work ok the way I want it to.

Basically my PC's has 2 hard drives (1x30GB and 1x130GB) so my plan is to format the 30GB drive (that’s currently only got music on it) and install Vista on that. Then I’d still have XP installed on the other hard drive in case anything goes wrong.

Oh and currently the 130GB drive is setup as the master drive… should the above work?

Cheers for your help people! I’m normally pretty happy fiddling around my PC’s but I really don’t fancy having to format my whole PC so if I can install Vista on a separate drive and use it from there that would be ideal.

Trist
:thumbsup:

[DanH]

Does anybody know when they are opening the Customer Preview Program again (If ever)? I cant find my key from when i downloaded Beta2. I ended up not installing it when i found out only US 360's worked as MCE extenders.

[Spaced_K]

Does anybody know when they are opening the Customer Preview Program again (If ever)? I cant find my key from when i downloaded Beta2. I ended up not installing it when i found out only US 360's worked as MCE extenders.

Thats the problem i got. Downloaded the Beta, but didnt use it and now forgot/lost my key.

[Singh400]

The keys were sent in an email, you should still have that email. Unless you delete it for some where and unknown reason.

[WelshBluebird]

The MS site says

If you are not registered but would like to receive Windows Vista RC1, the CPP will open to new participants in the coming weeks. Please check this site periodically for updates.

So that implies it will open up again

[Spaced_K]

The keys were sent in an email, you should still have that email. Unless you delete it for some where and unknown reason.


:smashin: :oops:

[KelvinS1965]

The MS site says



So that implies it will open up again

So I downloaded it and I can't install it because I don't have a key.:oops: It took me 3 attempts on 2 PCs as well.:blush:
I'll have to keep a look out for it to open up the CPP

[Singh400]

:smashin: :oops::grin: Ya figured someone would do that.

Heres a tip, don't use any 3rd party apps to make a partition for Vista or even to format a pre-made partition. Vista reads the partition as corrupt and ****s up your installation.

[Retain]

:grin: Ya figured someone would do that.

Heres a tip, don't use any 3rd party apps to make a partition for Vista or even to format a pre-made partition. Vista reads the partition as corrupt and ****s up your installation.

Does it? I used Partition Magic running on MCE 2005 to split my primary parition and formatted that through Vista's setup... worked a treat :rolleyes:

[Trist]

So I downloaded it and I can't install it because I don't have a key.:oops: It took me 3 attempts on 2 PCs as well.:blush:
I'll have to keep a look out for it to open up the CPP
You should be able to install it by just clicking add key later. I managed to get it all up and running last night. Although I think it will only work for a couple of days before it starts getting angry about me not entering a key!

Hopefully by then they will have opened up the beta again and I’ll have a key to enter! :thumbsup:

So far I’ve quite impressed. The download of the .iso and installation went very smoothly, just started it off and left it… poked my head around the corner every now and then to check it was still going… eventually came back and it was all installed :) Much quicker and painless than previous re-installs that I’ve done.

First up the fickle part… it looks very nice! :cool: Performance seems a little sluggish in places but not that far off XP. Here’s my spec.

Intel 3200 processor.
1024MB RAM.
Radeon 9600 128MB graphics card.

Certainly nothing overly special… bought it 3 years ago and haven’t upgraded anything since (I’m going to have to at some point though…).

I only had a chance to mess about for about 30 minutes so I didn’t really get dug too deep into anything. The media centre looks quite good and I’m definitely going to have a play around with that over the weekend and get all my music and videos loaded up.

The sidebar is quite an interesting addition… not sure how long I’ll keep it though as it takes up quite a bit of space and probably uses quite a lot of CPU resources, maybe I’ll grow to live with it.

My primary reasons for installing Vista was to

a) See if my computer could run it ok… so far so good.
b) Check out Media Centre and link up with Xbox 360… still to do.
c) … I’m nosey!

Initial impressions are pretty good...

[KelvinS1965]

You should be able to install it by just clicking add key later. I managed to get it all up and running last night. Although I think it will only work for a couple of days before it starts getting angry about me not entering a key!


Thanks for that, I'll have a play with it over the weekend on a spare hard drive I have.....my reason is mainly because I'm nosey too:)

[Singh400]

Does it? I used Partition Magic running on MCE 2005 to split my primary parition and formatted that through Vista's setup... worked a treat :rolleyes:Yeah, but you formatted that partition using Vista setup, not Partition Magic. Thats the difference ;) :P

[DanH]

You should be able to install it by just clicking add key later. I managed to get it all up and running last night. Although I think it will only work for a couple of days before it starts getting angry about me not entering a key!
Nice one, didnt know you could do that. How long is it likely to last without a key? Anybody know? Might last us till they open up the CPP again with a bit of luck.

Im gonna go ahead and install it as i want to use the 360 as an MCE extender but im not forking out £70 for MCE2k5 this close to Vista's release.

[Singh400]

Nice one, didnt know you could do that. How long is it likely to last without a key? Anybody know? Might last us till they open up the CPP again with a bit of luck.

Im gonna go ahead and install it as i want to use the 360 as an MCE extender but im not forking out £70 for MCE2k5 this close to Vista's release.14 days

[Trist]

Nice one, didnt know you could do that. How long is it likely to last without a key? Anybody know? Might last us till they open up the CPP again with a bit of luck.

Im gonna go ahead and install it as i want to use the 360 as an MCE extender but im not forking out £70 for MCE2k5 this close to Vista's release.
Not sure... I think I read somewhere 3 days... but I might have just made that up!

EDIT: Actually its 14 days... Cheers Singh400!

Hopefully your right they will have release it out to the public again in a couple of days time... if not hopefully I'll be able to find someone with a spare key :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:grin:

I haven’t managed to get mine setup linked to my 360 to stream videos yet, I only had a bit of time to fiddle about with Vista last night… and for some reason I was having some problems with my Hyundai Q321 and Vista (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3444374&postcount=3345). But hopefully I’ll get it all working over the weekend :)

[KelvinS1965]

Got it installed last night so I can have a play for 14 days anyway...it didn't take too long to install anyway so I might just keep reinstalling it until I can get a key.:thumbsup:

The only problem I've got is that my on board network card isn't recognised, (the Vista compatability checker did point this out). I can't connect to the internet to try to download a suitable driver! I have the USB modem my ISP supplied somewhere so I'll have to try that. The interface is quite smart, but I haven't played with it enough to see if the performance matches the pretty looks. At least it hasn't crashed yet, so it seems stable and I'm not suffering the slow down that some have reported, although I can't run the aero effects due to my graphics card.

For information, it is installed on a Shuttle SN45V3 with an ATI9200 AGP card, 80gb SATA hard disc with 512mb of RAM.

[Strobe]

RC1 installed and ticking along quite nicely, but I have an issue with Steam. Connects to Steam OK but whenever I try HL2-DM I just get an error saying the game is not available. Anyone any ideas? This has been happening for a couple of days now so I am sure it's not an issue at the Valve end. Btw Beta 2 connected fine albeit was unplayable due to poor frame rates.

My setup ... P4 3gb, 1024 RAM, X800XT 256mb.

Also posted on PC Gaming forum.

[Spaced_K]

The keys were sent in an email, you should still have that email. Unless you delete it for some where and unknown reason.

I just got an email today saying that RC1 is available to download as i was an original part of the CPP.

WELL ....

It had my product key in that email. PHEW. :thumbsup:

[Embarker]

I got mine too, but can't d/l it via the download manager.

Any one know of somewhere where it is being hosted?

Cheers

Dangerous Dave

[Singh400]

I got mine too, but can't d/l it via the download manager.

Any one know of somewhere where it is being hosted?

Cheers

Dangerous DaveLook on the right hand side of this page (http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download.htm)

[Spaced_K]

Look on the right hand side of this page (http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download.htm)

But be warned, i did this, then accidentally disconnected from my network and lost 2GB of download in Mozilla !!

[Singh400]

But be warned, i did this, then accidentally disconnected from my network and lost 2GB of download in Mozilla !!LOL! :rotfl: Thats gotta hurt.

[Tom_Naz]

Is it possible to download Windows Vista if you were not part of the original testing?

If so where can you download it from?

Thanks

[Singh400]

Is it possible to download Windows Vista if you were not part of the original testing?

If so where can you download it from?

Thanks
http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download.htm

[Spaced_K]

Is it possible to download Windows Vista if you were not part of the original testing?

If so where can you download it from?

Thanks


But as mentioned before, if you were not an orignal part of the rollout then you wont have an activation code and can only use it for 14 days .... but by which time they might be dishing them out again.
:smashin:

[willsy2]

Sign up open again for RC1 product keys :thumbsup: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/en-gb/preview.mspx

[tinners]

nice one was wondering when they would open it up again :smashin:

[Trist]

Ok... just signed up, but when I try and enter the key it says I can't use it.

Do you recon its a slightly different build? So maybe I've got to download it again and re-install wilth the new key.... maybe....

Has anyone else tried?

[willsy2]

You're allowed 3 downloads each with different keys.
Haven't had a chance to try mine yet, but i did download it before the latest signups and also at the same time as the latest one and i think the file names were slightly different.

[Singh400]

Ok... just signed up, but when I try and enter the key it says I can't use it.

Do you recon its a slightly different build? So maybe I've got to download it again and re-install wilth the new key.... maybe....

Has anyone else tried?
Are you installing for real or via Vmware/Virtual PC?

[DanH]

Do you recon its a slightly different build? So maybe I've got to download it again and re-install wilth the new key.... maybe....
I just checked the version i downloaded last week, and its exactly the same file name as the CPP links too when you register for a key.

Not tried it installing it yet though, ran out of bloody DVD-Rs :rolleyes:.

[willsy2]

Mine's installing now - wouldn't accept the first product key had to use the second one. Don't know how it'll perform on a P4 2.4 with a 9800Pro (i'll overclock it to 3gig if all is stable)

[KelvinS1965]

Don't know how it'll perform on a P4 2.4 with a 9800Pro (i'll overclock it to 3gig if all is stable)

Mine is running Vista RC1 fine on an XP2500 mobile clocked to 2Ghz with only 512mB and an ATI9200 AGP card.:thumbsup: I liked it so much, I've put a Vista skin on my XP installation, so I don't feel too homesick for Vista :)

[Spaced_K]

Im thinking of whacking it on this weekend. Trouble is, i got a Nova-T card and ive heard they done work with it.

Still,i need to seee what all the fuss is about,and if i hav trouble, im back to XP.

[willsy2]

running fine - first problem though, won't play any of my Xvid/DIVX files.

[Singh400]

running fine - first problem though, won't play any of my Xvid/DIVX files.
Did you install the codec? It plays mine fine.

[stevecol]

Use M$ Virtual PC. I have a Dell Inspiron Laptop 1.7Ghz, 2Gb ram 80Gb HD, Native OS is XP Pro, and i run 98 (i Love it!) ME (I want to be reminded just how bad this OS was!), 200 Pro, Server 200 and 2003, SBS 2003 and they all run on my Dell. Easy to install, fairly easy to use once you get the hang of it, and so bloody useful, if you upcock just bin the OS and load it up again.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=360cafd6-5098-4c64-9ca7-a30f225859f6&DisplayLang=en

Try that link for a free trial, once you have it you will not want to get rid of it! Just make sure you have plenty of ram if you want to get the best of this Programme.

Have just loaded Vista RC1 and it works a treat. Vista is using NIC, Graphics and Sound Card no problem.
Vista looks good!

[willsy2]

Tried installing the Xvid codec and got a "not a valid Win32 application" error. I'll have another go when i get a chance.

[willsy2]

Try that link for a free trial, once you have it you will not want to get rid of it! Just make sure you have plenty of ram if you want to get the best of this Programme.

According to this it's now free http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/virtualpc/default.mspx:)

Just downloaded it. Thanks stevecol :mad: as if i didn't have enough things to mess about with already :grin: :smashin:

[stevomacca]

Should i go for the 32 or 64 bit??
How long is this OS valid for?

[Singh400]

Should i go for the 32 or 64 bit??
How long is this OS valid for?I'd say 32, but if you've got a x64 cpu and willing to take the risk, then go for it.

It's valid till June/July 2007

[Barbarosa]

Have they sorted the Samba isuue that existed in Beta2?

[Spaced_K]

OK, i have decided to install it today, but i have not a clue how to actually start it off.

I got the very large file, but windows doesnt recognise it, what do i need to do to run it ?

Ta

[Singh400]

OK, i have decided to install it today, but i have not a clue how to actually start it off.

I got the very large file, but windows doesnt recognise it, what do i need to do to run it ?

TaYou need to burn the ISO to DVD.

In your selected burning app, select burn image to disk. Burn at the lowest speed possibly.

[Spaced_K]

Ta for that, just worked out, i had renamed them to "32" and "64" and forgot to put "ISO" at the end meaning windows want recognising it.

Ta

[Trist]

OK, i have decided to install it today, but i have not a clue how to actually start it off.

I got the very large file, but windows doesnt recognise it, what do i need to do to run it ?

Ta
I burnt the .iso file onto a DVD and then ran it from XP. It then goes through the setup letting you decide where you want it installed, I chose to install it onto a second (formatted hard drive) so I still had my XP install for anything that didn’t work.

Once you’ve burnt the disc its actually easy! At least it was for me ::thumbsup:

[Spaced_K]

Im planning on overwriting my C: drive as i have XP Home on a dell CD which i can easily put back on if needs be.

Does it give me the option to delete the C: partition and create it, then write onto the C: drive ??

[Singh400]

Ta for that, just worked out, i had renamed them to "32" and "64" and forgot to put "ISO" at the end meaning windows want recognising it.

TaYou don't have to rename anything....
Im planning on overwriting my C: drive as i have XP Home on a dell CD which i can easily put back on if needs be.

Does it give me the option to delete the C: partition and create it, then write onto the C: drive ??It wil give you an option to format the drive during setup.
The installation shouldn't take longer than 30 mins (took me 20mins).

[tinners]

You need to burn the ISO to DVD.

In your selected burning app, select burn image to disk. Burn at the lowest speed possibly.

Or if you are upgrading not installing from scratch, or installing on a virtual machine, you could install Daemon Tools which allows you to mount the ISO as a virtual DVD drive

[tinners]

Use M$ Virtual PC. I have a Dell Inspiron Laptop 1.7Ghz, 2Gb ram 80Gb HD, Native OS is XP Pro, and i run 98 (i Love it!) ME (I want to be reminded just how bad this OS was!), 200 Pro, Server 200 and 2003, SBS 2003 and they all run on my Dell. Easy to install, fairly easy to use once you get the hang of it, and so bloody useful, if you upcock just bin the OS and load it up again.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=360cafd6-5098-4c64-9ca7-a30f225859f6&DisplayLang=en

Try that link for a free trial, once you have it you will not want to get rid of it! Just make sure you have plenty of ram if you want to get the best of this Programme.

Have just loaded Vista RC1 and it works a treat. Vista is using NIC, Graphics and Sound Card no problem.
Vista looks good!

Virtual PC is now free (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/downloads/sp1.mspx). I installed Vista on VPC but graphics are non-Aero as emulated Gfx card is 64Mb and no sound as emulated sound card is ISA which is unsupported in Vista.

But in terms of a hassle free tryout of Vista it's recommended. For those 360 owners out there you can use the Virtual PC to stream media to your Xbox. But again you need a sizeable amount of memory for it to work OK. I have 1Gb and allocated 768 to VPC and it still runs like a dog :D

[Spaced_K]

Im loving Vista. Looks exactly how i would want my OS to look, v smart.

If i had to pick on one thing, is that its a bit slow.... its probably my PC's fault, but things like switching window takes a second or so (enough time anyway).

Apart from that. Excellent.

[springtide]

Virtual PC is now free (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/downloads/sp1.mspx). I installed Vista on VPC but graphics are non-Aero as emulated Gfx card is 64Mb and no sound as emulated sound card is ISA which is unsupported in Vista.

But in terms of a hassle free tryout of Vista it's recommended. For those 360 owners out there you can use the Virtual PC to stream media to your Xbox. But again you need a sizeable amount of memory for it to work OK. I have 1Gb and allocated 768 to VPC and it still runs like a dog :D


How does VMWARE compare to MS Virtual PC? Anyone tried both? Is the overhead about the same?

[tinners]

How does VMWARE compare to MS Virtual PC? Anyone tried both? Is the overhead about the same?

Sadly Vista doesnt install on VMWare WS - graphics driver issue or something. Worked with earlier betas. Apparently you can install on Server then port to WS but cant really be bothered with that. Will be better as gfx and sound are more up to date than VPC

[springtide]

Sadly Vista doesnt install on VMWare WS - graphics driver issue or something. Worked with earlier betas. Apparently you can install on Server then port to WS but cant really be bothered with that. Will be better as gfx and sound are more up to date than VPC

All is not lost, VMWARE Server is now free!

Note that Server installed and runs on XP Pro (although I don't think it's supported on ws) - but did have an issue during the install trying to enable/configure the Web server (for obvious reasons).

Spotted the (experimental) option within the "new guest OS" in Server
edition. You have to register and have to enter in the number of licenses required, but it's easy and very quick to get the license keys.

Now I must sign up for the Vista trail....!

[tinners]

All is not lost, VMWARE Server is now free!

Note that Server installed and runs on XP Pro (although I don't think it's supported on ws) - but did have an issue during the install trying to enable/configure the Web server (for obvious reasons).

Spotted the (experimental) option within the "new guest OS" in Server
edition. You have to register and have to enter in the number of licenses required, but it's easy and very quick to get the license keys.

Now I must sign up for the Vista trail....!

Yeah but you have to admit it's a faff :grin:

[springtide]

Found this...

http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=53835

Which basically says...

To install Vista RC1 on Workstation you must add these two lines to your VMX file:

svga.maxWidth = "640"
svga.maxHeight = "480"

And change:

usb.present = "TRUE">

to

usb.present = "FALSE"

I'm in the process of trying it now! - After a failed Virtual PC install :thumbsdow

Update: Vista now fully installed. Once installed...

1) Install the VMWARE Tools (basically drivers)
2) Shutdown Vista
3) Remove svga* entries from config file.
4) Restart.

I'm surprised how well Vista runs under VMWARE. It's very usable (apart from obviously streaming video - but thats expected)

[tinners]

Found this...

http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=53835

Which basically says...

To install Vista RC1 on Workstation you must add these two lines to your VMX file:

svga.maxWidth = "640"
svga.maxHeight = "480"

And change:

usb.present = "TRUE">

to

usb.present = "FALSE"

I'm in the process of trying it now! - After a failed Virtual PC install :thumbsdow

That says Installing Workstation 5.5.2 on Vista RC1 ? Not Installing Vista RC1 on Workstation 5.5.2 ?

LMK how you get on and will try it tomorrow

VirtualPC installed no probs for me just very slow.

[springtide]

All up and running and working. Actually submitting this post from Vista.

System OS: Windows XP Pro (AMD64 3200 2GB RAM)
VMWARE: VMWARE Workstation 5.5.1 (build 19175)
Virtual OS: Vista RC1 (32bit)

Performance is very good, although I do have 1GB of RAM allocated.

Installation was done by CD/DVD emulation to the ISO file. Installation took 30 mins max.

Sound from Vista also appears to be fine running VMWARE.

[tinners]

All up and running and working. Actually submitting this post from Vista.

System OS: Windows XP Pro (AMD64 3200 2GB RAM)
VMWARE: VMWARE Workstation 5.5.1 (build 19175)
Virtual OS: Vista RC1 (32bit)

Performance is very good, although I do have 1GB of RAM allocated.

Installation was done by CD/DVD emulation to the ISO file. Installation took 30 mins max.

Sound from Vista also appears to be fine running VMWARE.

Nice, tried those couple of params in the file and it's now past the point it froze at before :clap: . Am using VM WS v4.5.2 build 8848.
Taking ages (56% after 15/20 mins) to extract files will post back when it's finished !

Edit: It works :)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3199/vistayd5.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vistayd5.jpg)

Cheers for the tips !

[springtide]

I'm new(ish) to VMWARE - so you might know this already... If you "Disable" Snapshots - there is a worthwhile performance increase.

Back to my original question (tinners) now that you have Vista working on VMWARE and MS Virtual PC, how does the performance of the two products compare?

[tinners]

I'm new(ish) to VMWARE - so you might know this already... If you "Disable" Snapshots - there is a worthwhile performance increase.


In v4 of VM, snapshot and process priority settings are the 2 things outside of the actual VM session config (mem / HD etc) which can help performance:

This web page (http://www.vmware.com/support/ws45/doc/performance_program_ws.html) has some information


Back to my original question (tinners) now that you have Vista working on VMWARE and MS Virtual PC, how does the performance of the two products compare?

No question VMware as its graphics and sound compatibility are much better.
But as everything I guess you get what you pay for. :)

[springtide]

So far so good. MS have done a great job on improving the user interface.

Been used to WinXP for a number of years now and have not liked many of the 3rd party add-ons to improve the interface.

But, Vista is v nice. Changes are very small in some cases but work very well and address some of the issues with XP. i.e. the start menu when you have loads of applications - now the menu has scroll bars.

I like the gadgets. They've always been possible on XP, but somehow not as useable or likeable.

Anyway, another couple of months and the final version will be released.

[Singh400]

So far so good. MS have done a great job on improving the user interface.

Been used to WinXP for a number of years now and have not liked many of the 3rd party add-ons to improve the interface.

But, Vista is v nice. Changes are very small in some cases but work very well and address some of the issues with XP. i.e. the start menu when you have loads of applications - now the menu has scroll bars.

I like the gadgets. They've always been possible on XP, but somehow not as useable or likeable.

Anyway, another couple of months and the final version will be released.
Couple of more days and a new build is going to be released to beta testers. :clap: :clap: :clap:

[eternaldark]

Couple of more days and a new build is going to be released to beta testers. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Really!! any idea what the build no is? hopefully the next build will work on my pc :clap:

[Singh400]

Really!! any idea what the build no is? hopefully the next build will work on my pc :clap:Rumours are saying 5728. :D

[Spaced_K]

Rumours are saying 5728. :D


Will this be in the form of an automatic Windows Update, or do we need to download it?

[gosties]

I am currently using RC1 Build 5600 and have one minor issue with it at the moment. When I record a Tv program with Audio Description included it only includes that sound. I recorded a program at the weekend and thought at first that my sound card was faulty. I may go back to Build 5536 as I never had this problem beforehand.

[eternaldark]

Rumours are saying 5728. :D


Sounds like a substantial update - thanks for that :thumbsup:

will keep my eye out in the usual places ;)

[Singh400]

Will this be in the form of an automatic Windows Update, or do we need to download it?I don't think you'll be able to update your system from 5600 to the newer build by WU/MU at all. You will need to download the newer build when released (upgrading is supported)

Sounds like a substantial update - thanks for that :thumbsup:

will keep my eye out in the usual places ;)Don't use build numbers as progess indicator, there are many branches/forks of the Vista development. :)

[Singh400]

Well the new build is out. Official Beta Testers can download it @ Connect.

Build number is 5728. More info and screenies as it arrvies. Currently downloading it, should be done in 30-40mins.

[eternaldark]

keep us updated m8 with what its like :thumbsup:

[Singh400]

Installed! (posting this on 5728)

Started install at: 21.02
"Completeing installation" step started at: 21.15
"Completeing installation" step finished at: 21.18
Setup primary user (me) at: 21.21
Check computer performance stared at: 21.22
Check computer performance finsihed at: 21.25
Logged on at: 21.26

[springtide]

Installed! (posting this on 5728)

Started install at: 21.02
"Completeing installation" step started at: 21.15
"Completeing installation" step finished at: 21.18
Setup primary user (me) at: 21.21
Check computer performance stared at: 21.22
Check computer performance finsihed at: 21.25
Logged on at: 21.26

Don't tell those Linux fans - they'll not believe you :grin:

[eternaldark]

First impressions??

[andych732]

I don't know too much about Vista and VM so could someone guide me through some points.
I am currently running XP on a dual core AMD 64, 1GB ram, 6600GT GPU.

If I install VM and then download VISTA, will it effect my PC in any adverse way, ie, give me problems with XP, corrupt any files etc?
Once installed would I be able to stream films to my 360?
When I boot the PC will it give me an option of which OS to boot, or will it go to XP and then from XP do I chose to switch to vista?
Would I still be able to access all my files saved on my HD when running Vista, or would I have to switch back to XP to access them.
How long is the Vista trial period for, and will there be any problems in uninstalling it?

Thanks
Andy

[Moviebuff]

Finally just got round to loading the release candidate (RC-1 Build 5600), and it much simpler to install then XP - configures most things without user intervention. Infact, it only finished 5 mins ago and it picked up the net connection via ethernet much easier then i'd expected - just gave the system the same network name as my XP install (so as not to upset the routers security), and here I am!

If you install onto a spare unused partition, it automactically sets a dual boot menu on start-up. I must emphasise that I have a full backup of my XP install using Acronis True Image so in the scheme of things there's not much risk of trashing my system without having due course of repair.

FYI - System consists of 4800+, Asus A8n32 sli Mb, 2 7900GTX's, 2gigs Mushkin Redline Extreme. 2 x 300 Sata's. Dell 3007

Anyway, I've spent more time typing this then playing with Vista - adios! :)

[Stiggy]

Installed! (posting this on 5728)

Started install at: 21.02
"Completeing installation" step started at: 21.15
"Completeing installation" step finished at: 21.18
Setup primary user (me) at: 21.21
Check computer performance stared at: 21.22
Check computer performance finsihed at: 21.25
Logged on at: 21.26
What the hell are you installing this on? Is this done with RAM disks or something on an mega-PC?

If you want to show off that's fine, but don't mislead ordinary users that they will see this kind of performance. :mad:

[tinners]

I don't know too much about Vista and VM so could someone guide me through some points.
I am currently running XP on a dual core AMD 64, 1GB ram, 6600GT GPU.

If I install VM and then download VISTA, will it effect my PC in any adverse way, ie, give me problems with XP, corrupt any files etc?
Once installed would I be able to stream films to my 360?
When I boot the PC will it give me an option of which OS to boot, or will it go to XP and then from XP do I chose to switch to vista?
Would I still be able to access all my files saved on my HD when running Vista, or would I have to switch back to XP to access them.
How long is the Vista trial period for, and will there be any problems in uninstalling it?

Thanks
Andy

What a lot of questions :)

Yes you can install VM without breaking your PC
Yes you can stream to your 360 from VMWare. The VM PC is seen as another PC on the network.
I dont think you have enough memory to do this though as Vista is a hungry beast, especially under VM. Why not give it a try though ? Nothing to lose as it wont affect the rest of your PC. You have to make a couple of changes to the VMWare config files as highlighted in an earlier post on this thread but works great for me.

You can install Vista as a second OS and use Vista BootPro (http://www.vistabootpro.org/) to manage. You can also easily remove it if you want to and XP can remain your default OS for booting up.

Will let someone else answer the question on accessing files in your current XP partition as I havent tried this. On my PC my documents etc. are on a different hard drive from my XP instance and I can access them fine.

[eternaldark]

The new build is available for public download :clap: :clap:

http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download-5728.htm

Phew cos the torrent was taking ages!!!

[Singh400]

Don't tell those Linux fans - they'll not believe you :grin:Thats up to them ain't it ;)

First impressions??Well from RC1 onwards, it's just bug hunting. So nothing new has changed in UI/feature wise (you might notice small differences) virtual everything that has been changed in this build will "under the hood"

What the hell are you installing this on? Is this done with RAM disks or something on an mega-PC?

If you want to show off that's fine, but don't mislead ordinary users that they will see this kind of performance. :mad:Erm, I'm NOT showing off. One of the first questions that everyone always asks is "how long did it take to install?"

FYI, Comp. Specs.:-
CPU : Intel 3.0 Ghz with HT (530)
GFX: nVidia 6800 256MB
HDD: 30gb (partitioned)
RAM: 1 GB (2x512MB)

It actually takes a little longer than my XP install time (22mins). If I remember correctly RC1 (Build 5600) installed fast than Build 5728. I'll have to dig up those stats.

Edit* No I was wrong, RC1 took longer to install than 5728. RC1 (5600) took a total of 27 mins, 5728 took 24 mins. Now if Microsoft can optimize that to match me XP install, that'll be mint! :grin:

The new build is available for public download :clap: :clap:

http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download-5728.htm

Phew cos the torrent was taking ages!!! yarrr! you beat me to it! :thumbsup:

[WelshBluebird]

The new build is available for public download :clap: :clap:

http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download-5728.htm

Phew cos the torrent was taking ages!!!

I hope they don't keep doing this :rotfl:
Cos on my 1meg line, by the time I download a build, another one is released :rotfl:.

[eternaldark]

Well if you have seen some of my earlier posts I had major issues with RC1 when i installed the system was grind to a halt after 1-2minutes and be unusable. :(

I installed the 5728 build, crossed my fingers and :clap: :clap:

works like a dream!!!!

amy typing this on my Vista install, going to try a few programs now to see if they work. Well impressed microsoft

[Singh400]

I hope they don't keep doing this :rotfl:
Cos on my 1meg line, by the time I download a build, another one is released :rotfl:.tut tut, people complain when they don't get a new build - and they still complaing when they do! :grin: :rotfl:

Well if you have seen some of my earlier posts I had major issues with RC1 when i installed the system was grind to a halt after 1-2minutes and be unusable. :(

I installed the 5728 build, crossed my fingers and :clap: :clap:

works like a dream!!!!

amy typing this on my Vista install, going to try a few programs now to see if they work. Well impressed microsoft
Congrats! :clap: :clap: Welcome to Vista :grin: :thumbsup:

[eternaldark]

Thanks!! :hiya:

now if i can only get transcode360 to work :grin:

[eternaldark]

:( cant get transcode to work

I can get it to install but when i use the more function in the extender i get an error saying something about cannot use the addin

If i install transcode as a service it seems to work but just wont transcode anything.

Am hopeing that the latest build of transcode when its out will resolve this as they are supposed to be correcting vista functionality

[Singh400]

Is your account part of the administrator group?

Edit* Try the following:

The current version of Transcode360 does not officially support Vista yet, but It works for the most part.

You have to do the following:

1. Install .NET Framework 1.1
2. Install .NET Framework 1.1 SP1
3. Install Transcode360 Beta 4.1

Then whenever you want to play something just choose the Other option on the file and choose to Transcode it.

It does not work as smoothly as it does on MCE 2005, but it does work. The problem I encounter with it from time to time is it will just stop in the middle of watching an episode of Anime. I have to start the episode back up and fast-forward to wherver I was last at.

If it is not working for you, you most likely need to uninstall it, and then reinstall it following the directions above. If you forget to install either the .NET Framework 1.1 OR the Service Pack it will not work.

[eternaldark]

No i installed the net 1.0 & 1.1 packs first and tried transcode but when i go to transcode the file nothing happens

edit now transcode starts but windows media centre instantly crashes

[Singh400]

No i installed the net 1.0 & 1.1 packs first and tried transcode but when i go to transcode the file nothing happens

edit now transcode starts but windows media centre instantly crashes
Alot of people reporting (in vista ngs) that transcode360 doesn't work with 5728 at all. Guess thats put a dampener(sp?) on your vista experience huh?

:(

I'll let you know if anyone finds a solution.

[eternaldark]

Thanks, i was hopeful as according to Runtimes webiste, microsoft were supposed to be correcting a bug to enable transcode to work on the next version. (one of the devs is a transcode supporter)

Guess it was too much to hope for. Just have to wait and see if either theres a new build to try, or Runtime brings out an updated version.

BTW had a play with WMP11 and it does look like you could stream video to the 360 just not an option on the 360 to play them. Rumour has it the Fall Dashboard update may rectify this.

Also how sweet does MCE look on the 360! :smashin:

[Singh400]

Rumours say transcode360 is working in build 5730.

[eternaldark]

thanks - any ideas when that build is being released?

if i can get transcode and nero working, i'll be dead happy

tried the latest nero 7.5.1.1 and its not compatable with vista:(

[Singh400]

thanks - any ideas when that build is being released?

if i can get transcode and nero working, i'll be dead happy

tried the latest nero 7.5.1.1 and its not compatable with vista:(
5730 probably won't be released, we might see another new build soon. Although we're getting very close to rtm stage.

[eternaldark]

guess i'll just have to be patient (and hopeful) :grin:

[WelshBluebird]

I currently have the RC1 iso burned onto a disc, but hav't yet had a chance to install it. I've started to download build 5728, but I'm wondering, are the changes in 5728 compared to RC1 enough to warrent me downloading it (considering I'm only on a 1 meg connection, so downloading it would take quite a while).

[Singh400]

I currently have the RC1 iso burned onto a disc, but hav't yet had a chance to install it. I've started to download build 5728, but I'm wondering, are the changes in 5728 compared to RC1 enough to warrent me downloading it (considering I'm only on a 1 meg connection, so downloading it would take quite a while).
Like I said, 5728 is mainly bug fixes and under the hood stuff. So yes, I would say it warrants your time to download it.

[Singh400]

guess i'll just have to be patient (and hopeful) :grin:
Doh, I forget Wendy (Beta PM) said that this wouldn't be the last build us beta testers are going to get.

So yes, there will be a new build.

[eternaldark]

Found this program

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox360-tools/MCEVideoEncoder.php

it installs on vista, and looked promising but i could never get it to encode anything :(

if anyone fancies a play about with it

[Singh400]

Turns out the reason Transcode360 doesn't work is the same bug that has broken mpeg playback. This issue has been fixed in later builds. There is talk of an update/patch being released to fix this bug.

I'll keep you posted.

[Pbryanw]

I've heard that in build 5728 (and this is a good enough reason to upgrade to it from RC1 for me) you can disable the mandatory Vista Windows Startup Sound, which Microsoft chose not to let you disable in earlier builds. Read more about it here:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060924-7815.html

EDIT: Yes, I can confirm there's a tickbox in the sound control panel that lets you disable it - so Microsoft have listened to the feedback on this feature :)

[Gizmo 76]

Good Morning all,

Ok, i'm all setup and running with Vista, overall very impressed. It look so nice and clean, love the fading out of the windows when you close them done. :thumbsup:

Had a few issues on so far though, first my motherboard's Ethernet ports haven't got new drivers, well one has but it doesn't like it. So at first the internet was running like a dail-up modem, but a bit of google searching came up with a solution which has improved the problem, not 100% it's running as fast as XP though.

The next slight issue was my Logitech webcam software, but a bit of mucking around again has got this working.

Now the only issue i'm left with is using my 360 as an Extender, i'm using build 5728 of Vista. My 360 just isn't seeing the PC, I was my connection from both my PC and 360 going into a hub before going into a wireless adaptor that links to downstairs. With XP MCE everything worked fine, but as yet no joy :confused:

I've disabled the firewall incase that was the problem, but no success, not sure what else to try, anyone got some ideas??

Cheers,

Giz

[Singh400]

I've heard that in build 5728 (and this is a good enough reason to upgrade to it from RC1 for me) you can disable the mandatory Vista Windows Startup Sound, which Microsoft chose not to let you disable in earlier builds. Read more about it here:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060924-7815.html

EDIT: Yes, I can confirm there's a tickbox in the sound control panel that lets you disable it - so Microsoft have listened to the feedback on this feature :)
Yup, good on 'em too. That guitar riff was starting to get annoying.

[eternaldark]

Am i missing something? i dont hear a startup sound on the latest build:confused:

[Singh400]

Am i missing something? i dont hear a startup sound on the latest build:confused:
:\ Maybe you already muted it? That or you need to install drivers for your soundcard.

[eternaldark]

sound cards fine,

still if its annoying apparently i'm not that fussed:grin:

[Gizmo 76]

Ok, back to my last little problem.

I have the PC and 360 seeing each other ...... finally!

I can pyshically see a 360 icon on my 'Network', but I can't get media centre to setup with it?!?

I can streaming music and pictures on the 360, but not in the media centre section?!?

My PC doesn't seem to think the 360 is an extender type device as it can't find any on the network?!?

Sorry for all the ?!?'s but i'm baffled by this problem :grin:

Anyone got any ideas? Did your 360 set itself up quick and painlessly?

Cheers,

Giz

EDIT: The problem is related to my LAN drivers, i used my other ethernet connection on the motherboard and everything is running great, and doesn't the new media centre looking cracking on a big screen

[eternaldark]

Theres a new build available apparently 5734, anyone available to try it and see if the mpeg2 bug is resolved so transcode can work?

The usual places dont have it yet :(

[Singh400]

Theres a new build available apparently 5734, anyone available to try it and see if the mpeg2 bug is resolved so transcode can work?

The usual places dont have it yet :(
Yes build 5734 was released on the 27th Sept but only to TAP members. Not to Windows Vista Beta Testers.

vista_5734.0.060920-1805_.x64fre_.client-LRMCxFRE_.EN_.DVD.iso, 3,610.98 mb
vista_5734.0.060920-1805_.x86fre_.client-LRMccFRE_.EN_.DVD.iso, 2,604.54 mb

[Singh400]

News just in...

Just One More Release Before Windows Vista Goes Gold

Microsoft will release just one more build of Windows Vista for testing before the code goes gold, said Brad Goldberg, the general manager for the Windows client business group.

That build will be made available to a limited group of between 50,000 and 100,000 testers in October, and follows the interim Vista build that Microsoft released on Sept. 22.

Goldberg declined to say if this final test build would be known as Release Candidate 2, adding that the company is focused, from an engineering perspective, on targeting the group of testers from whom it most wants one last set of feedback.

Goldberg, who was on a cross-country tour in late September designed to get the message out about the business value and benefits that Vista brings, also said Vista is on track for availability to businesses via volume licensing in November, with broad general availability to consumers set for January 2007.

Microsoft said it expects 10 times more seats of Windows Vista to be deployed at launch, with deployment within the first year being twice as quick as that for any other version, and business customers deploying it faster than for any other Windows operating system release, he said.

[Singh400]

Heads up, Build 5745 was just released to TAP and this one looks like it has been leaked. ;)

[eternaldark]

Thanks, no one has it up yet but will look out for it

[Singh400]

Thanks, no one has it up yet but will look out for it
I could be wrong, TAP builds before this have never leaked.

[Singh400]

New build coming this Friday. Build number is said to be 5743.

[andych732]

I finally installed vista today(build 5600) on a partition, must say it looks good.

But whilst looking good I cannot get it to connect to the internet.
I was wondering if anyone had any tips.

I connect wirelessly with a sitecom 517 wireless kit, 802.11 G , USB wireless dongle. The Sitecom site does not have any vista drivers. Is there another way I can get Vista to accept the old drivers for my kit? Is there any magic 3rd party driver I could use (yeah i know wishful thinking :grin: ) or do I have to use a wired network or buy a new wireless kit (which I dont wanna do).
When I use the vista compatibilty test on XP it says I need to go to the microsoft update website, but it does not tell me what I need to update, and there is nothing obvious from the 57 choices it gives me.

Thanks
Andy

[Singh400]

Try extracting the installer package and installing the drivers manually through Device Manager.

But I would start hassling your wireless manufacturer.

[andych732]

Try extracting the installer package and installing the drivers manually through Device Manager.

But I would start hassling your wireless manufacturer.


Thanks I'll give that a shot

[andych732]

Woohoo this is posted using Vista

Now to get my 360 to connect to it

[WelshBluebird]

New build coming this Friday. Build number is said to be 5743.

and according to paul thurrot, it will be tagged as RC2, although it is still actually just an interim build. He also says it will be available to the normal group of connect beta testers, technet and MSDN subscripbers, and a limited number of CPP members (he says a random selection, so I dunno if he means MS will chooce some CPP members, or if it will be as before where it is only available for the first x amount of people to download it).

[Singh400]

and according to paul thurrot, it will be tagged as RC2, although it is still actually just an interim build. He also says it will be available to the normal group of connect beta testers, technet and MSDN subscripbers, and a limited number of CPP members (he says a random selection, so I dunno if he means MS will chooce some CPP members, or if it will be as before where it is only available for the first x amount of people to download it).
Yeah I know, I didn't call it RC2 because Microsoft haven't officially called it RC2.

[andych732]

How do I get MCE to connect to the 360???
I run the extender set-up and it Keeps saying it cannot find it.
It connects to the wireless network though.
I have had a look on the MS websites but no help there.
Any help here?

Thanks

Andy

[Gizmo 76]

You to enable some media sharing options in control panel somewhere, they are dsiabled bu default.

I'm not on a Vista computer at the moment so I can't give you the exact answer, but before this option was ticked I could see the 360 in my network places but couldn't connect.

Have a look around i'm sure you'll find it. :smashin:

[andych732]

You to enable some media sharing options in control panel somewhere, they are dsiabled bu default.

I'm not on a Vista computer at the moment so I can't give you the exact answer, but before this option was ticked I could see the 360 in my network places but couldn't connect.

Have a look around i'm sure you'll find it. :smashin:


It is already enabled, it is in the network and sharing folder. Any other Ideas??

[Gizmo 76]

I'll have a look when I get home, I also had to use my other LAN ethernet input because my 'Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet' connection hasn't got fully functioning Vista drivers, my Nvidia one worked fine though.

When you go into your network can you see an icon for your 360 and an Icon for your Computer/Media Connect?

[andych732]

I can see the 360, My PC and UPnP Gateway Device

[Gizmo 76]

You also get a 'Media Connect' icon for your computer appearing as well. I'll post some screenshots later on and hopefully we'll sort your problems. :thumbsup:

[andych732]

Ok got it to work, had to re-install vista then update the Nvidia drivers, now if only it would stop crashing :rolleyes:

[Gizmo 76]

Ok got it to work, had to re-install vista then update the Nvidia drivers, now if only it would stop crashing :rolleyes:

I'm running Build 5278 and they only thing that has upset my Vista was my unsupported ethernet connection, it crash twice when trying to install drivers for it, other than this i've been so impressed by the OS.

Glad to hear that you've got the 360 sorted now, the new media center does look great when it's up on the big TV :thumbsup:

[Singh400]

Keep your eyes open people:

http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc2/en/download.htm

[tinners]

From WindowsITPro (http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/93715/windowspaulthurrott_93715.html):

Microsoft will ship the final prerelease version of Windows Vista on Friday and, unexpectedly, will name the new version Release Candidate 2 (RC2). (Microsoft had stated earlier that it wouldn't ship an RC2 milestone release of Vista.) But don't let the name fool you. RC2 is really just a standard interim build of Vista, but unlike RC1, it won't be distributed to millions of users.

The RC2 build is 5743, and Microsoft is currently testing it internally. As with the previous interim build, 5728, RC2 will go to beta testers, Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) and TechNet subscribers, and a random, limited number of Consumer Preview Program (CPP) members.

Hope I get a copy :)

Sadly our MSDN server which is supposed to sync with M$ weekly only got RC1 3 weeks ago !

[Singh400]

Keep your eyes open people:

http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc2/en/download.htm
Ok, Microsoft has redirected that link. But heres a screenshot of the orignal page (not taken by me)

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4520/rc2kc4.th.png (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4520/rc2kc4.png)

@Tinners: RC2 Build number is now 5744.16384.061003-1945.

[Spaced_K]

Ok, Microsoft has redirected that link. But heres a screenshot of the orignal page (not taken by me)

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4520/rc2kc4.th.png (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4520/rc2kc4.png)

@Tinners: RC2 Build number is now 5744.16384.061003-1945.

It was redirected about 10 mins after you posted, i checked it last night about 23.30.

:mad:

[tinners]

Ok, Microsoft has redirected that link. But heres a screenshot of the orignal page (not taken by me)

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4520/rc2kc4.th.png (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4520/rc2kc4.png)

@Tinners: RC2 Build number is now 5744.16384.061003-1945.

Thanks mate. Your link did point to the RC2 page last night but not today. And the RC2 link on the M$ site last night pointed to the RC1 download :confused:

[Spaced_K]

Thanks mate. Your link did point to the RC2 page last night but not today. And the RC2 link on the M$ site last night pointed to the RC1 download :confused:

Sorry thats what i meant. i got the screen as shown but wasnt able to downlaod, just redirected to the screen you get now.

[Singh400]

Build 5744 is up at Connect to download. Should be done in about an hour or so.

[tim_kay]

I like the sound of this:

"In related news, Microsoft will be changing the product keys it uses for Vista after the product hits the RTM escrow phase. Consequently, users won't be able to use prerelease Vista product keys to install the RTM version. My understanding is that this change won't affect the RC2 release."

So does that mean the RC2 (5744 build) will be fully working post June 2007?

[Singh400]

Installed! Posting this from 5744:

Installation round-up:

Windows is loading the files: 21.11
Expanding files: 21.15
(Started) Completeing installation: 21.27
(Finished) Completeing installation: 21.30
Entered login details: 21.32
Logged on at: 21.36


Thats around 25 mins for installation, not bad considering it takes me 22mins to install XP.

Official system install time is:

Original Install Date: 06/10/2006, 21:30:08

[Pbryanw]

Singh400, have you used RC2 enough to notice any differences between it and RC1? Or is it just stability they've focused on?

[Singh400]

Singh400, have you used RC2 enough to notice any differences between it and RC1? Or is it just stability they've focused on?
Just bug fixes matey, anything after RC stages are just bug fixes. You might see a little UI change here and there.

Edit* Some screenshots for your viewing pleasure:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8582/untitled1fy4.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8582/untitled1fy4.jpg) http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6974/untitled2zj0.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6974/untitled2zj0.jpg) http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3727/untitled3nf7.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3727/untitled3nf7.jpg) http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8808/untitled4ab1.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8808/untitled4ab1.jpg)

[Singh400]

Public Download of 5744:

http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc2/en/download.htm

(the link is now working)

[BenchyUK]

Does the full retail version of Vista definately shipping in January or is it in the following months?

[tim_kay]

Good work Singh. Im on it now :D Do you have to activate on phone like RC1?

[tim_kay]

Lee Cooper apparently this RTM version should be ready within the next 2 weeks. So its just a case of getting the bugs down to arodun 500 from the current 1400. So yes likely around January, but im sure RTM versions will be floating around the net a good while before then.

[tim_kay]

PLEASE NOTE:

Does say RC2 may not be possible to upgrade to full version. However saying this this copy may well remain un-licensed, id get in quick!

[Singh400]

Does the full retail version of Vista definately shipping in January or is it in the following months?If all goes well, Vista will be RTM'ing Oct 25th 2006. The weeks following that it will be distrubuted to busniess cliente. Sometime around Jan 2007 the home consumer should be able to buy Vista. FYI, the ultimate edition is 325 quid.

Good work Singh. Im on it now :D Do you have to activate on phone like RC1?I've always activated it over the internet, takes less than 10 secs.

[huxley]

help a thicky out - I have rc1 on my machine and have started downloading rc2. Do i use the same key as RC1 and clean install or just load it over the top of rc1?
Cheers

[BenchyUK]

If all goes well, Vista will be RTM'ing Oct 25th 2006. The weeks following that it will be distrubuted to busniess cliente. Sometime around Jan 2007 the home consumer should be able to buy Vista. FYI, the ultimate edition is 325 quid.

I've always activated it over the internet, takes less than 10 secs.

I was planning on getting a new PC with the Home Preium edition as it has the Media Center and hopefull the LIVE Anywhere software.

I wouldn't buy it on it's own :eek:

[Singh400]

help a thicky out - I have rc1 on my machine and have started downloading rc2. Do i use the same key as RC1 and clean install or just load it over the top of rc1?
CheersYou can upgrade, but it's not recommended. Yes you can use your Beta 2/RC1 keys for RC2.

I was planning on getting a new PC with the Home Preium edition as it has the Media Center and hopefull the LIVE Anywhere software.

I wouldn't buy it on it's own :eek:Home Premium costs around £185.

[huxley]

^thank you sir:thumbsup:

[Pbryanw]

Just installed RC2 and it installed in 30 minutes on my aging P4 intel 3.06GHz machine, equipped with Pata Hard drives. This is loads quicker then I remember it took XP to install, so congratulations to Microsoft on their installer for Vista.

I was also able to run Winsat for the first time too since Beta 2, and I got 4.2 overall (my CPU letting me down. HD was 5.5 for Samsung Spinpoints, and I got 5.9 for my ATi X850XT agp graphics card).

Overall it feels like I could use this OS for my working OS without too much problems - and so it should be for an RC2 release :)

[Singh400]

Just installed RC2 and it installed in 30 minutes on my aging P4 intel 3.06GHz machine, equipped with Pata Hard drives. This is loads quicker then I remember it took XP to install, so congratulations to Microsoft on their installer for Vista.

I was also able to run Winsat for the first time too since Beta 2, and I got 4.2 overall (my CPU letting me down. HD was 5.5 for Samsung Spinpoints, and I got 5.9 for my ATi X850XT agp graphics card).

Overall it feels like I could use this OS for my working OS without too much problems - and so it should be for an RC2 release :)I too get 4.2 overall, and my nvidia 6800 scores 5.9 aswell!!

[Pbryanw]

Hehe, spooky :) I actually use to own a fanless 6800 before I bought my 850, but got rid of it due to heat problems. Nice to know it would have given me roughly the same performance in Vista.

[Singh400]

For any of you wondering if Transcode360 works with this build, this answer is no. Although it has been confirmed to work in RTM builds.

[Stiggy]

PLEASE NOTE:

Does say RC2 may not be possible to upgrade to full version. However saying this this copy may well remain un-licensed, id get in quick!
Microsoft are not stupid enough to have not have put a time limit on RC-2. I'm guessing it will expire the same time as RC-1 (June 2007?)

[BenchyUK]

Got an email from Amazon today saying that you can noe pre-order several versions of Vista and that the expected Release date is Feburary 2nd :thumbsup:

[andyr300]

im installin RC2 later on,will report back with my findings.just hoping driver support is up to scratch...esp as im gettin the 64bit version (never used 64bit before)

[kesey]

What A-V packages have people found will work with RC2 Build 5744?

The new(ish) version of McAfee I found to be a major pain on XP, so went back to Viruscan 10. That will not talk to Vista. Microsoft only mention PC-cillin on their Vista website.

[Singh400]

What A-V packages have people found will work with RC2 Build 5744?

The new(ish) version of McAfee I found to be a major pain on XP, so went back to Viruscan 10. That will not talk to Vista. Microsoft only mention PC-cillin on their Vista website.
The new SAVCE (10.2.0.199). :thumbsup: :smashin:

[deksawyer]

Also, Avast has a free version for Vista.

http://www.avast.com/eng/avast-antivirus-and-windows-vista.html

D.

[Windtalker]

pc world taking pre orders on vista and also state 2/2/07 for release :smashin:

[andyr300]

how do you get unsigned drivers to install on vista rc2 64bit?

EDIT

its really annoying!even when you say instal;l anyway it wont let you,so im left without tv card and soundcard!how useful...

ive been reading to puch F8 at startup,where abouts?
any other ways to get these drivers to work?

[Singh400]

how do you get unsigned drivers to install on vista rc2 64bit?

EDIT

its really annoying!even when you say instal;l anyway it wont let you,so im left without tv card and soundcard!how useful...

ive been reading to puch F8 at startup,where abouts?
any other ways to get these drivers to work?
I did read of a utility that can do that, but I didn't bookmark it as I don't have a x64 CPU.

Lemme see if I can find it again, and I'll get back to you.

[tinners]

This only says it applies to Beta 2:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/64bit/kmsigning.mspx

How to Disable Signature Enforcement during Development

During the early stages of development, developers can disable enforcement in Windows so that driver signing is not necessary. The following options are available for developers to disable kernel mode code signing enforcement temporarily so that Windows Vista will load an unsigned driver.
• Attaching a kernel debugger. Attaching an active kernel debugger to the target computer disables the enforcement of kernel mode signatures in Windows Vista and allows the driver to load.
• Using the F8 option. An F8 Advanced Boot Option introduced with Windows Vista—“Disable Driver Signature Enforcement”—is available to disable the kernel-signing enforcement only for the current boot session. This setting does not persist across boot sessions.
• Setting the boot configuration. A boot configuration setting is available in the Windows Vista Beta2 release that disables the enforcement of kernel mode signatures to be persisted across boot sessions.
Windows Vista includes a command-line tool, BCDedit, which can be used to set the option in Windows Vista Beta2 to disable signature checks. To use BCDedit, the user must be a member of the Administrators group on the system and run the command from an elevated command prompt. An elevated command prompt can be launched by creating a desktop shortcut to cmd.exe, and then using right-click and “Run as administrator”.
The following shows an example of running BDCedit at the command prompt:

// Disable enforcement – no signing checks
Bcdedit.exe –set nointegritychecks ON

// Enable enforcement – signing checks apply
Bcdedit.exe –set nointegritychecks OFF

// Disabling integrity check on an alternate OS
// specified by a GUID for the system ID
Bcdedit.exe –set {4518fd64-05f1-11da-b13e-00306e386aee} nointegritychecks ON


Note: The Bcdedit option to disable integrity checks is only available for loading unsigned drivers on the Windows Vista Beta2 release. For more information, see

[andyr300]

il have a look at that when i get home.cheers.hopefully it will work.

[Singh400]

il have a look at that when i get home.cheers.hopefully it will work.I remembered that app I was on about. It's called VistaBootPRO.

[andyr300]

thanks for those links,though that program doesnt sem to work with RC2 just yet.

i got my drivers working,but TV tuner still doesnt work (not the fault of microsoft) and the soundcard is patchy (again not MSs fault)

overall i quite like the OS, just quite annoying with the driver protection and it popping up warnings every five minutes about stuff.

im going back to MCE2005 though,better software support and that. im sure Vista will be a fairly decent product once its finoshed but atm, for RC2 it is no where near a finished product, its barely even what i would call a BETA

[tinners]

Try the 32 bit version, the 64 bit version has the same problems as XP 64 in terms of lack of driver support and complications not found in 32 bit world.

[Singh400]

thanks for those links,though that program doesnt sem to work with RC2 just yet.

i got my drivers working,but TV tuner still doesnt work (not the fault of microsoft) and the soundcard is patchy (again not MSs fault)

overall i quite like the OS, just quite annoying with the driver protection and it popping up warnings every five minutes about stuff.

im going back to MCE2005 though,better software support and that. im sure Vista will be a fairly decent product once its finoshed but atm, for RC2 it is no where near a finished product, its barely even what i would call a BETAVistaBootPRO works fine for me - if you look somewhere in the options (theres loads of them) it clearly says "allow the installation of unsigned drivers (x64))

[andyr300]

yeah,i found that option but it doesnt seem to do the job in RC2.

will give Vista another go when a more stable release is about

[Singh400]

yeah,i found that option but it doesnt seem to do the job in RC2.

will give Vista another go when a more stable release is aboutWell there aren't going to be anymore builds released.

[andyr300]

ive seen speculation about an RC2 re-release or even an RC3...but if niether of those,then there will eventually be retail/RTM releases which should be better

[Pbryanw]

Yes, but I've heard that the product keys used for the RC2/Beta releases won't work with the RTM release. I'll need this confirmed though.

[Singh400]

Yes, but I've heard that the product keys used for the RC2/Beta releases won't work with the RTM release. I'll need this confirmed though.You heard right.

[Synchro]

I've installed Vista on a 2nd hardrive. The internet is very flakey. Whe ie loads of the first page loads ok, then nothing will load after that.

Any ideas? Is it a driver issue?

[Gizmo 76]

Is it on your ASUS motherbaord PC?

If so the easiest way around the problem is to use your Nvidia Ethernet connection rather than the Marvell Yoko one as there is driver issues with this one.

[Synchro]

Yer, its on the Asus one. I'll try that, ta.

[tinners]

Anyone know where I can find a list of supported hardware ?

My motherboard (K8V SE Deluxe) VIA VT8237 southbridge SATA and Promise R20378 SATA RAID controllers have been unsupported to up RC1 and wanted to check if they were supported in RC2.

Ta

[Synchro]

Is it on your ASUS motherbaord PC?

If so the easiest way around the problem is to use your Nvidia Ethernet connection rather than the Marvell Yoko one as there is driver issues with this one.

Ta that did the trick!!

Now able to view this site whilst in Vista :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Gizmo 76]

Ta that did the trick!!

Now able to view this site whilst in Vista :clap: :clap: :clap:

No probs, I had the same issues the other week, glad it all worked ok :thumbsup:

[andyr300]

Anyone know where I can find a list of supported hardware ?

My motherboard (K8V SE Deluxe) VIA VT8237 southbridge SATA and Promise R20378 SATA RAID controllers have been unsupported to up RC1 and wanted to check if they were supported in RC2.

Ta

worked on my k8v deluxe and my via SATA.did not test promise.

[kaygeebee]

hi all,

must admit, my RC2 install has gone very very well... seems solid or at least a lot more stable then expected from a Beta....

only thing I have problem with which suprised me as it found my TV tuner card no problem with correct codec to watch live TV was within the MCE part it would 'blue screen' then restart my PC when trying to access MP3's thru it?

It's based on an ASUS board running Realtek sound onboard, I did notice that Realtek are showing Vista beta drivers, but not tried them yet... anyone else had this problem??

[tinners]

worked on my k8v deluxe and my via SATA.did not test promise.

OK thanks, you dont fancy trying the Promise do you :) ? I have 3 drives and the Vista partition is on a disk on the Promise controller !

Did you need to install 3rd party RAID during the install ? Which drivers did you use if so ?

[Glenagoolie]

Anyone using this with the 360 as an extender ? Just wondering how long it generally takes for the 360 to find and start the media center. Seems relatively slow (25/30 secs approx) on mine .

Is this normal ??

thanks
R

[delanoster]

Anyone using this with the 360 as an extender ? Just wondering how long it generally takes for the 360 to find and start the media center. Seems relatively slow (25/30 secs approx) on mine .

Is this normal ??

thanks
R

From the dashboard it takes around 25 seconds from pressing the Media Center button on the remote to the interface appearing on my RC1/360 setup.
It feels about the same time as it used to take using MCE.

[eternaldark]

Any news about a new build being released or is that it now till RTM??

[WelshBluebird]

Any news about a new build being released or is that it now till RTM??

build 5808 has been released to TAP customers, but it seems that that build, or any more, will be released for connect and CPP members

[eternaldark]

is it available from the usual places? or has anyone tried it with transcode 360?

[Singh400]

build 5808 has been released to TAP customers, but it seems that that build, or any more, will be released for connect and CPP membersNo more builds will be released to Beta Testers or to the CPP.

Full ISO Image:
vista_5808.16384.061012-1900_x64fre_client-LRMCxFRE_EN_DVD.iso, 3,621.12 MB
vista_5808.16384.061012-1900_x86fre_client-LRMCFRE_EN_DVD.iso, 2,607.74 MB

Upgrade ISO Image:
vista_5808.16384.061012-1900_x86fre_client-ent-upg-LRMEVCCP_EN_DVD.iso, 1,972.46 MB
vista_5808.16384.061012-1900_x86fre_client-ent-upg-LRMEVCCP_DE_DVD.iso, 1,912.24 MB

@eternaldark: Build 5808 hasn't leaked and won't. TAP builds don't get leaked. Period.

[eternaldark]

Just wondered, do you think we will get the MCE remote with Vista? As they're touting the media functions would make sense to include the remote with the software or make it easier to buy

[joust]

Looks like the link to RC2 doesn't work anymore (keeps being posted back to the 5600 RC1 build). Anybody near Stoke got a RC2 disk I could borrow?

Cheers

Joust

[Stiggy]

I've read so many dates for the Vista RTM , but the latest says November 8th (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9004437&intsrc=news_ts_head).

How soon after that do we think it likely that MSDN and volume license customers will be able to download the final release?

[eternaldark]

Build 5840 is available from the usual sources.

Hope to have a look tonight and try transcode 360.:grin:

[Singh400]

Build 5840 is available from the usual sources.

Hope to have a look tonight and try transcode 360.:grin:Unless you have an updated key it won't work. Beta 1/Beta 2/RC1/RC2 keys don't work.

[eternaldark]

oh bugger! :(

[eternaldark]

On a plus side its been confirmed that transcode 360 works on that build (5840) according to the runtime website :clap:

[tinners]

Hoorah but not so hoorah as I have to splash the cash to get it working.

Anyway I'm not so sure that MS won't build that DivX support into WMP11 & 360 Dash upgrade at some point.

[aymank]

i thought build 5744 was the latest?

[Singh400]

i thought build 5744 was the latest?That is available to Windows Vista Beta Testers yes. But TAP customers get the latest builds - somwhere in the region of 58xx-59xx.

[aymank]

thanks , i guess this is not available to me then?? also i have jus installed vista. its really nice and runing very smoothly. however my score is 3.6, does this mean i should upgrade my pc before geting retail version.

[Singh400]

thanks , i guess this is not available to me then?? also i have jus installed vista. its really nice and runing very smoothly. however my score is 3.6, does this mean i should upgrade my pc before geting retail version.
Build 5744 was available to the public for a very short time, the only way to get that build now is via torrent etc.

3.6 isn't that bad, it'll run Vista fine.

[aymank]

Build 5744 was available to the public for a very short time, the only way to get that build now is via torrent etc.

3.6 isn't that bad, it'll run Vista fine.

great news, also, my beloved grabit wont work under vista, is there any other newsgroup thingy i can use that will work?

[Singh400]

great news, also, my beloved grabit wont work under vista, is there any other newsgroup thingy i can use that will work?
Might wanna read this topic (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=410107).

[Singh400]

Just finished install 5840...

7.04 - Started installation
7.13 - Finished expanding files
7.14 - Restart (Which is a new introduction)
7.15 - "Preparing to start Windows Vista for first time"
7.16 - "Completing Installation" step started
7.19 - "Completing Installation" step finished
7.22 - Entered username and other details
7.23 - "Checking computer performance" step started
7.26 - "Checking computer performance" step finished
7.27 - Logged on

Total time to instal 23 mins ;)

BTW, the logon screen has changed slighty.

[WelshBluebird]

Just got round to actuall installing RC2 (its taken me a while lol - had to reparition my drive last weekend, then I was away for most of the week). It took about an hour to install, and I get a rating of 1 lol.
Not really suprised though, as its my Radeon 9200 which is pulling it down to the 1 (so obviously I don't get aero).

Just having a quick play with it, and it seems as fast as XP is, although I havn't really had time to try to do much on it yet.

I'm just downloading drivers for ny USB modem now, although I got a bad feeling they won't work, so wish me luck lol.

(specs - Althon XP 3000+, 1GB RAM, Radeon 9200 AIW).

[WelshBluebird]

Just an update - I'm posting this from Vista RC2 now, so I got the USB modem working :)

As I said before, it seems about the same speed as XP on my machine, although it is without aero glass. That should sort itself out in the next couple of weeks though, as I should be able to get my hands on my friends geforce FX 5500 (I know its not brilliant, but it will hold me over a month or two until i can get myself a new card (6800GT / 7600GS / 7600GT).

Typical though - the moment I finally get RC2 installed - it seems the final RTM build will be ready soon (and more than likely leaked soon aswell)

edit - Just noticed something - it seems a little faster than XP in most things (opening programs, and just doing normal things) yet when I click on the show desktop icon, it hangs for a fraction of a second until it will do it, not much too worry about, but still, XP does it straight away.

[Stiggy]

I've read so many dates for the Vista RTM , but the latest says November 8th (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9004437&intsrc=news_ts_head).

How soon after that do we think it likely that MSDN and volume license customers will be able to download the final release?
The launch is apparently now November 30th...

[Singh400]

The launch is apparently now November 30th...RTM is Nov 8th, launch for busniess customers is Nov 30th

BTW, Office 2007 went final a few days ago (alledgedly).

[BenchyUK]

Bit of a Random question but is Vista likely to be better than the upcomming Mac Leopard OS?

[eternaldark]

Bit of a Random question but is Vista likely to be better than the upcomming Mac Panther OS?

Panther was before tiger - the new OSX will be leopard

and no idea :grin:

[WelshBluebird]

Bit of a Random question but is Vista likely to be better than the upcomming Mac Leopard OS?

its hard to tell.
I think Leopard will be more stable (since it only has to run on certain hardware, so apple can optimise it for the mac computers), but if your a gamer, Vista is a must really (at least in a year or so when DX10 games come out it will be).

[BenchyUK]

I thought i would ask as i have a dilema as to whether to get a PC or a Mac. I won't be using it for Gaming, so i am not sure whether i really need a PC and Vista.

My gaming will be on the XBox 360.

As i want a computer to do computer tasks and not games then maybe a Mac will suite me best :smashin:

[eternaldark]

I've took the plung and ordered a Macbook pro, should be here this week, wanted something portable and fancied a change from the hassles of windows.

Looking forward to having a play with it :grin:

[WelshBluebird]

Finally, MS has announced Vista has now RTM'd. That is it. Development of Vista is finished, and MS aim to launch vista and office 2007 together on January 30th 2007.

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2006/11/08/windows-vista-releases-to-manufacturing.aspx

Fair play to MS, looking back on beta 2, how many people would have said MS would meat their target? considering the pressure on them, and the amount of people who were saying MS weren't going to make it, I think MS deserve some credit.

and http://www.winsupersite.com/vista/ for a review and some screenshots.

[BenchyUK]

Any ideas on how much Office 2007 is going to cost and how much different it is from 2003?

If i get a new PC it comes with a Vista voucher so i would get that for free so may be interested in office 2007 as well

[WelshBluebird]

Any ideas on how much Office 2007 is going to cost and how much different it is from 2003?

If i get a new PC it comes with a Vista voucher so i would get that for free so may be interested in office 2007 as well

The only pricing I have seen is on wikipedia in USD, so I dunno how thats gonna tranlate into over here But looking at Office 2003 pricing in the USA, and the prices on that wikipeida article, and it looks like the different versions of office 2007 will be priced at the same points as office 2003.

The wikipedia article is a good place to start to learn about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_2007

[BenchyUK]

Cheers :thumbsup:

[Singh400]

Well it's official Vista has RTM'ed, read more here (http://singh400.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4CE384569B138E00!129.entry).

[Singh400]

Typing this from Vista RTM (Ultimate)...

Install log:

Windows is loading files: 17.39
Expanding files (Start): 17.42
Expanding files (Finished): 17.52
Completing installation (Start): 17.55
Completing installation (Finsihed): 17.57
Entered details for login/network name/etc etc: 18.00
Checking computer performance (Start): 18.01
Checking computer performance (Finished): 18.04
Logged on: 18.04

So thats around 25mins. Not bad at all.

[Stiggy]

Another teasing post from Singh400 that doesn't actually provide any information, but just shows off that he has Vista RTM installed...

All I can tell you is that it is not available on MSDN subscriber downloads yet, but Microsoft say "Windows Vista and Office 2007 is expected to be available through MSDN Subscriber Downloads within 7 days of release to manufacturing (RTM)", so that should be by November 15th.

[Singh400]

Another teasing post from Singh400 that doesn't actually provide any information, but just shows off that he has Vista RTM installed...

All I can tell you is that it is not available on MSDN subscriber downloads yet, but Microsoft say "Windows Vista and Office 2007 is expected to be available through MSDN Subscriber Downloads within 7 days of release to manufacturing (RTM)", so that should be by November 15th.
Well what do you want to know? FYI Office 2007 is available to VLK customers.

Vista and Office have been leaked. Vista comes with a 30 day trial, hence why I'm using it.

[rkenyon]

Vista and Office have been leaked. Vista comes with a 30 day trial, hence why I'm using it.

Indeed, and there are *cough* enhancements that will allow you to continue using until the real thing comes along.

Cheers,
Rick

[Singh400]

Indeed, and there are *cough* enhancements that will allow you to continue using until the real thing comes along.

Cheers,
RickYes I know, there are MANY workarounds that ALL involve replacing 2 files. However, when doing this you'll get some text placed on your desktop, permantly. Saying something like "Evauluation Copy". Plus, if you put the clock forward 2 months. Your Windows installation will be crippled and you'll only get one hour of usage and then Windows will shut down automatically - thats the new piracy features in effect.

I don't know about you, but I would prefer to have a full working 30 day trial with no limitations. After all when the 30 days are up, all I have to do is re-install. Only takes 25 minutes. :grin:

Edit* FYI, the Vista & Office files that leaked, ARE the REAL things. Not fake by any means. If you don't already know. Every version of Vista has a 30 day trial available, all you have to do is not enter a product key and it will tell you that you are now installing a 30 day trial of Vista. You can easily convert this to a full retail version, by buying it when the OS hits the shevles and changing the product key (via Computer Properties) and then activating.

Edit** Oh I forgot to mention, Vista and Office are available to MSDN and TechNet subscribers.

[aymank]

Does anyone know whether the rtm vista will be able to stream ts files to x360? something which i can do so easily on my currnent xp mce via hdtv pump? i know the earlier builds i have installed have been unsuccesful in doing so.

thanks

[Singh400]

Does anyone know whether the rtm vista will be able to stream ts files to x360? something which i can do so easily on my currnent xp mce via hdtv pump? i know the earlier builds i have installed have been unsuccesful in doing so.

thanksIf your talking about Transcode360, then yes. It should work in RTM, as it was fixed in earlier builds.

[aymank]

not transcode, i am on about streaming.Ts files ( hd stuff) it wouldnt work on earlier build....hd tv pump enables it to work on xp mce

[Singh400]

not transcode, i am on about streaming.Ts files ( hd stuff) it wouldnt work on earlier build....hd tv pump enables it to work on xp mce
Sorry then don't know. :(

[rkenyon]

Yes I know, there are MANY workarounds that ALL involve replacing 2 files. However, when doing this you'll get some text placed on your desktop, permantly. Saying something like "Evauluation Copy". Plus, if you put the clock forward 2 months. Your Windows installation will be crippled and you'll only get one hour of usage and then Windows will shut down automatically - thats the new piracy features in effect.


Interesting... I've just done a workaround, which activated successfully. However, there is no Evaluation Copy stamp on the desktop. So hopefully, this will last me until January 30th :-)

No doubt they'll be some Essential Update that will cripple my installation very shortly.

Cheers,
Rick

[NC11]

Edit** Oh I forgot to mention, Vista and Office are available to MSDN and TechNet subscribers.

Only Office 2007 apps are available on MSDN. Vista is expected on the 15th I think.

[Singh400]

Only Office 2007 apps are available on MSDN. Vista is expected on the 15th I think.Nah Vista is on MSDN for some.

[NC11]