Will my 7900GT look as good as my 360??

[Mickey123]

Hi,

I am thinking about plugging my PC up to my plasma via the same vga port my xbox 360 is connected by. Natrually I will unplug the 360 first:rotfl:

The graphics on the 360 are quite amazing. Im wondering can I expect the same from my PCs gfx card? They don't look as good om my 'crappy' monitor but then I wouldnt expect any less. Its a Beko, or something!

Just thought Id ask before I have to move everything around and set it up again,

Mickey

[MikeKay1976]

Hi,

I am thinking about plugging my PC up to my plasma via the same vga port my xbox 360 is connected by. Natrually I will unplug the 360 first:rotfl:

The graphics on the 360 are quite amazing. Im wondering can I expect the same from my PCs gfx card? They don't look as good om my 'crappy' monitor but then I wouldnt expect any less. Its a Beko, or something!

Just thought Id ask before I have to move everything around and set it up again,

Mickey


my guess is they will be on a par, give or take.

the great thing about having a top pc and a top consoile, is some games are generally better on pc, and some on a console.

yo ucan now gert the best of both worlds.

my long term plan is to get my pc and my xbox360 hooked up to a 32 inch lcd in my bedroom, and have the ultimate gaming rig :)

[Games Guru]

Without wanting to get into another major row, I roughly recall the xbox 360 gpu equivilent to an ati radeon x1900xtx, and a 7900GT isn't quite as good as that. But then the xbox 360 gpu is a dedicated chip running alongside other dedicated hardware and doesn't run the multitude of programmes windows does.

[Mickey123]

Thanks guys, Ill give it a go.

What would the best res be to run on my panny SD tv?

I run my 360 in 720p and my tv doesnt go up that far yet still looks great?:confused: ?

[Solar]

my long term plan is to get my pc and my xbox360 hooked up to a 32 inch lcd in my bedroom, and have the ultimate gaming rig :)
no no NO !

it has to be a 37" or more :rotfl:

[dannyg81]

Thanks guys, Ill give it a go.

What would the best res be to run on my panny SD tv?

I run my 360 in 720p and my tv doesnt go up that far yet still looks great?:confused: ?

You should be able to run it in normal 1024x768 (or whatever res you run games in) and your display should downscale the image to it's native res, the same as it does with the 360's 1280x720 image.

[Mickey123]

Danny,

If I turn the res up too far it only fills 3/4's of the size of the screen,

Is there a way to make it fit all of it?

Mickey

[BenchyUK]

my guess is they will be on a par, give or take.

the great thing about having a top pc and a top consoile, is some games are generally better on pc, and some on a console.

yo ucan now gert the best of both worlds.

my long term plan is to get my pc and my xbox360 hooked up to a 32 inch lcd in my bedroom, and have the ultimate gaming rig :)

I hope to do roughly the same mate. At the moment i have a 360 connected to my Panasonic TX32-LXD500 LCD and it looks great

In January when Vista comes out i hope to go and buy a Top of the Range tower with Dual Core/ 512mb Graphics ect and have Vista with Media centre installed.

Then network it to the 360. Get all the 360 assesories working on the PC and have the Ultimate Gaming experience with best of both worlds.

Won't even need to think about a PS3 then :rotfl:

[RandomLee]

Hi Mickey,

I have the same GPU (running at 750/1500 iirc) and I can say that some games look better on the 360 and some look better on the PC.

EG - Oblivion looks better and runs smoother on the 360 whereas NFS:MW looks better and runs smoother on the PC. It's pretty nasty on the 360 in comparison.

Other games I've tired are Condemned and Prey, both of which look better on the PC but seem to run at a slower framerate than on the 360.

Saying that, I don't have the best spec for a gaming rig but I've never had any real complaints about what it can do.

Also, I only bought the 360 as there's certain types of games on it that I like that aren't available on the PC, such as Dead Rising, Saint's Row, PGR3, Gears Of Wars etc.

I much prefer FPS games on the PC mind you. Call me old fashioned but you cant beat the keyboard and mouse!

I also run both 360 and PC though a 32" HD TV. Full spec in my sig below.

Just my tuppence worth... hope it helps!

Lee

[wormvortex]

It will look better than the 360 IMO. The 360's graphics are extremely overated

[Mickey123]

^^^^^^^ I would STRONGLY disagree with the above comment.

Id say there better than anything Ive previoulsy seen and I update my GFX card every months to somthing close to top of the range.

the 360's graphics are far from overated. What would you say was better?

[RandomLee]

It will look better than the 360 IMO. The 360's graphics are extremely overated

Owning both I'd say that depends on the games your comparing, and it's not just the GPU that will determine your games perfomance on the PC.

It shouldnt be a competition anyway, both are good for different things.

[apolloa]

I would say sell your 7900GT and buy an ATI X1900XT and a decent Samsung LCD games monitor for about £150. A good monitor and graphics card will look way better then anything a 360 game can muster. Wait till Cysis comes out then you'll see. To think an Xbox 360 or any other console has better graphics then the latest PC is to be naive in my opinion. But then it depends on how well the game graphics are made in the first place.
I would always choose a monitor over a plasma any day though.

[Mickey123]

Apolla,

I am viewing my 7900gt AND 360 through a dell 3007 which is a monitor with a native resolution of 2560x1600.

Without meaning to sound nasty or arrogant a £150 Samsung is hardly the kit to test graphics on.

Saying my comments are naive is a bit strong without evidence why and then saying things like “wait for Cysis to come out"

To employ your logic why don’t we just wait a few years and then the PC will be better by far? (Last year it was, "wait till FEAR comes out"):rolleyes:
Personally I’m more interested in what is out now not later as there will be better games out on all formats if we look to the future.

My original comment was in response to wormvortex stating the 360s graphics are overrated.
Well, as I said before - What is better than thatst’s out now on the PC?

Yes the PC hardware is able to do more if pushed on paper by a landslide but who exactly is pushing the PC. Yep, one or two games like the ones mentioned but that’s it.

PC games programmers are anchored by the low/ave spec PC machine as that is where all the sales come from.
IE - If you make a game that needs a monster rig to run it then you’re excluding half of your potential market.
Any 360 game will run on any 360 so make it the best you can to really shine, no anchors and without effecting sales, infact for consoles the better the graphics the more market you’d probs get so the sky is the limit. (Yes before someone says I am aware there are more to games than graphics. You’re looking at a man who grew up with the C64 and spectrum! Gameplay Gameplay Gameplay no Graphics)

Don’t misunderstand me fella , my main PC is my main machine that has cost me a few thousand pounds inc water cooling etc (not the PC I intend plugging in to my plasma). I could live without the 360 but need my PC.
However for less than £300 (price of a graphics card) the xbox 360 represents fantastic value and side by side with a PC offers superb crisp graphics that rival my main rig for a fraction of the price.

Randomlee

I am aware its not just the GPU that is responsible for graphics
The whole thing is a bottle neck and the GPU is one of those things.

Still, in my experience as a system builder for over 10 years -
Average CPU and excellent GPU = Good graphics at average framerates with the right amount of RAM.

Excellent CPU and crap GPU with a terabyte of RAM = Crap graffics, end of!


I totally agree both machines are for different things too and not to be compared directly, but I wasnt so much trying to compare initially. I was more testing the water before I splashed out on cables how good the graphics would be on an SD screen.

Ive tried it now and am quite happy.:smashin:

Thanks to all that have contributed to this thread and giving me the benifit of your experience, appreciated.:thumbsup:


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[james.miller]

Apolla,

I am viewing my 7900gt AND 360 through a dell 3007 which is a monitor with a native resolution of 2560x1600.

Without meaning to sound nasty or arrogant a £150 Samsung is hardly the kit to test graphics on.

and neither is a monitor running at 2560x1600. if your going to run an xbox360 in HD, the least you could do is run it on a set at naitive res. having the 3007 scale down is hardly an indication to image quality, is it?

[apolloa]

@Mickey123 -
The monitor I was reffering to is one that several members have stated as a superb monitor for gamming which is why I included it. Your statement about a game needing an uber rig doesn't exist I think is also wrong. All games need a top rig to have all the eye candy otherwise the options in a game are there to enable a lower spec PC run it. FEAR DOES test the latest PC's (despite what I said whn I first joined these forums he he). Games are the one thing that makes your PC work for it's money as they use the full performance of your rig available.

But reading from what you have said you've answered your own question, you are very defensive about the 360's graphics quality. I would still say a 7900GT will always look far better on a 360 on a monitor then a plasma. But thats going by the fact there not designed to run on telly's really how ever plasmas are more of a monitor then would first appear.
If you can I would get a 17" to 19" normal LCD monitor and compare the quality on that between the 2 for a fiar comparisson, otherwise why not just try it and see what happens? Buy a cheap SVHS cable or something and see what happens but if you plasma is stuck to a 760 resolution then you'll never see the PC graphics to there potential compared to a monitor's resolution.
So I predict the 360 will look great and the PC won't.

[Mickey123]

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[Mickey123]

and neither is a monitor running at 2560x1600. if your going to run an xbox360 in HD, the least you could do is run it on a set at naitive res. having the 3007 scale down is hardly an indication to image quality, is it?


Doesnt that further prove my point?

I mean I can run PC the at a far the higher native res and even still the 360 compares even when its no where near its own res on the 3007.

Must look stunning at dispaly with a native of 720p.

[apolloa]

eh? You drunk or typed too fast?

Oh I got you, still don't agree with you, a good top end PC at a good monitors native resolution will look better then a 360 on a 720P telly IMO.
You asked if we think the PC will look as good as the 360 on a plasma and I don't think it will.

[Mickey123]

Apolla,

Ive tried it matea few days ago and your right. the 360 does look better on the plasma but the PC is still playable.

You make a fair point how you can set the eye candy to your own level enabling the lesser spec'd PC to run games.

Its not that Im defensive about the 360 as said im by far a PC man through and through, but I don't think it's fair to say the 360 graphics are anything less than stunning. There far from overated. and they do rival top PCs at this point in time.

Admitedly with PCs upgrade route PCs will soon take the lead again, but for now there at least comparable.

Mickey

[Mickey123]

Apolla

Sorry mate were out of sink, we're replying to each others wrong post :eek:

[apolloa]

Agreed the 360 graphics must be good by now although when I first saw it in the shops on those Samsung telly's playing Gotham I thought it was nothing that great, probably as I'm used to PC graphics, but obviously it's a huge jump from a PS2 or Xbox.
It's up to the developers to make use and push the 360's hardware, where as with PC's the hardware changes so quickly that the games developers used to struggle to keep up, I think they are much more on top of it now a day's and can launch games that push PC's hardware for a year. GOW does look pretty good though, I was totally pro PS3 until what SCEE did today, I would now quite happilly buy a 360 if I had the cash and may well get one someday and hope the graphics improve more.

[Mickey123]

well I love my 360 for sports games (pro evo) and Driving.

I just don't think there as good on the PC for whatever reason. I can never put my finger on it.

Also, nothing comes close to a PC for stratagy or shooters. Again, its not just down to keyboard n mouse its something about the PC just been better at these genres.

U agree?

[apolloa]

I would agree with the shooters, maybe because t's been the PC's stongest game apart from flight sims? With a PC you can build the latest uber rig and the latest gamming mouse and keyboard then stress your new rig to the max with the latest first person shooter, then go online and go mad with loads more like minded people and you have great fun. I am fairly attracted by Perfect Dark Zero though and GOW they would be some of the reasons I'd get a 360.
Also a lot of PC gammers build there own machines and mod them, they can tincker and overclock them etc which makes it more appealing to the lego generation like me :grin: you can build your own computer, pure geek land heaven. You can do something extreme like watercool a PC.
Yes you can do some of this to a 360 but hardly anyone does, it's where the PSP has found it's niche with homebrew, people tinckering with it and making it run faster etc.

[Marc]

EG - Oblivion looks better and runs smoother on the 360

runs smoother perhaps, but looks better? no chance! The xbox one is about the equivalent of running the PC game on medium settings.. crap draw distance, awful popup, low res textures.. and after you install all the mods for the pc version the distance between the two versions is even bigger!

What the xbox does seem to excel in though, is high detailed polygon models, shown close-up.. for some reason this never seems to look all that impressive on the pc, but things like the boxers in Fight Night look better than anything on the pc.

[Razor]

I have a X1900XT and a 360 and pc far outclasses the 360 is graphical terms. The pc however cost me £1300 and the 360 under £300. If you want the best then plump for a decent pc with a top end graphics card and sit back and smile. :grin:

[cs817mc]

I have a X1900XT and a 360 and pc far outclasses the 360 is graphical terms. The pc however cost me £1300 and the 360 under £300. If you want the best then plump for a decent pc with a top end graphics card and sit back and smile. :grin:

I was about to say that. PC high end graphics are better than the 360, but then you're paying a huge premium for that privilege. The 1900xtx cost about £300 on its own, the same as a whole 360 plus game.

I have an 1800xt 512 paired to an overclocked 3700 amd (running at 2.6ghz or fx-55 speed) and it is more than capable of playing next gen titles like Prey, GRAW etc. Not bad for £600.

[cs817mc]

well I love my 360 for sports games (pro evo) and Driving.

I just don't think there as good on the PC for whatever reason. I can never put my finger on it.

Also, nothing comes close to a PC for stratagy or shooters. Again, its not just down to keyboard n mouse its something about the PC just been better at these genres.

U agree?


Maybe it's because we're used to watching sports from the comfort of a sofa? Also, I think with FPS it is ideal to be position as close to the screen as possible, hence playing from a computer desk is better.

[Razor]

I was about to say that. PC high end graphics are better than the 360, but then you're paying a huge premium for that privilege. The 1900xtx cost about £300 on its own, the same as a whole 360 plus game.

I have an 1800xt 512 paired to an overclocked 3700 amd (running at 2.6ghz or fx-55 speed) and it is more than capable of playing next gen titles like Prey, GRAW etc. Not bad for £600.


CPU prices are falling and you can build a great games pc on a tight budget. Nothing as cheap as a 360 but still good value for money. Since upgrading my pc I havent really played my 360 at all.

For me the 360 has LIVE which is a massive bonus for me as I love playing games online. The only problem is half the 360 games have lag which make them unplayable on my 10 meg connection. So its back to the pc. I wish the 360 would get its online games sorted. Even when they do work you get a silly low number of players like 4 vs 4 in Call of Duty. Compare that to 32 players on the pc's version of Call of Duty or 64 players on the pc's Battlefield 2 which looks and plays far better than the 360 version.

If only the pc had a service such as LIVE where it was easy to join games and talk to other people in the room. I have used Gamespy in the past but there was no voice chat facility. :(

[Razor]

Maybe it's because we're used to watching sports from the comfort of a sofa? Also, I think with FPS it is ideal to be position as close to the screen as possible, hence playing from a computer desk is better.

I use Pinacle game profiler and my 360 pad for all my fps. I have a 65' DLP rear pro and prefer playing on this to my 17' 4:3 LCD monitor. I cant relax and play when I am on a keyboard and mouse even thought they are more acurate for fps, I feel all hunched up.