Sagem or Sony!!!!

[steviebhoy26]

Hi all,

My final choice is between the sagem hd-d45f (£780) and the sony KDF-E50A12U (£980), What are the differences between the sets other than size. I will have tvdrive-hdmi, hd dvd player through hdmi/component, and a xbox 360.

Please help as my head is spinning.

[HelloMoto]

I'm in the market for the Sony too, I'd like to know what the quality is like from owners.

[david230]

Its very difficult to compare pq in a shop but on build quality alone the sony is superior imo..

I've bought a sony on the basis that the pq is good and although the sony has its own artifacts it does'nt suffer from the rainbow edging. I have seen this and it put me off. Plus I've changed my mind about the black piano finish now I've seen the sagem in the flesh. There are many people to fight both corners on this one but I really think you should find somewhere that has both these units and judge for yourself. I did and my final decision changed.

Shop wise,if you have a large tescos you might find both models in there..

[steviebhoy26]

thanks, will check them out tomorrow, Whats the specs like between them? I gather they are both 1 hdmi, 1, component(sagem not sure), pip and vga?

[david230]

the 45 has 1 hdmi as does the sony. I know for sure that the sony does'nt have PIP / POP. Cant say for sure about the sagem though on that front.

You can pick up splitters for around £50 off ebay. 2in 1out...

[PRODIGY8]

the sagem does have PIP/PAP but it is limited to certain sources (can't remember which off the top of my head). But when I had the 50" sagem I struggled to get it to work.

I have the Sony and you can't go wrong with it for the price it is at the moment, Like other people say, you need to see them in the flesh to decide!
Haven't seen the 45f so can't really say.

Sony 50 - 1 HDMI, 1 Component, 2x scart, 1 VGA,

Sagem 45f - 1 HDMI, 1 component, 3x scart, no vga

[b2sbailey]

My vote goes with the Sony.
Had it for about 6 weeks now and still can't wipe the smile off my face when watching Sky/DVD or Gamecube.

Very well built and give it a good signal source and it'll repay you with a very big brilliant picture (with no rainbows)



Steve.

sagem will have more brilliant picture, but has rainbow.
sony is more "gray", but has no rainbow but other typical LCD probs.

Try to go in some store and check out any DLP and see if the Rainbow is messing with you. If not i wouldnt think twice and get the Sagem!

Btw Sagem has PIP and PAP!

[PRODIGY8]

If you want the Sony you had better hurry as most places seem to be selling out!
Comet don't have them on there website anymore, Argos are showing both the new and old version of the 50 3lcd. The new model that is replacing it will be out soon and thats gonna be about £1400

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...DSony.Sony.htm

[PRODIGY8]

Originally Posted by Jikyo

sagem will have more brilliant picture, but has rainbow.
sony is more "gray", but has no rainbow but other typical LCD probs.

what are these 'typical LCD probs'?????

[pjclark1]

From a US forum ........

"I work on both DLP and LCD, and as far as DLP almost over, I totally disagree when you are talking about projection. LCD flat panel is a great investment, but you are going to have to wait for 50". The problem is heat and the intense light. I have had to tell over 20 customers with rear projection LCDs that the blue LCD panel is damaged and the only way I can get that part is to buy a whole new light engine, and the parts start over $900 and there is the labor to think about. The poor customers with no extended warrenty are forced to live with the discoloration, or pay me a bunch. While on the other hand, I have never witnessed one DLP multi-mirrored chip fail. I heard one of my instructor say that they heard one of the first generation IC (4X3) have one mirror stick and the failure was attributed to cigarette smoke. But TIs new chips have a protective cover over the mirrors so this will not happen again. Sure The heat from the lamp still takes out other things, such as color wheels, DMD boards, The lamp itself, and the thermal fuses, but LCD has similar board and fuses prone to the failure. Although I perfer DLP there is one thing to keep in mind when buying a RCA, the color wheel isn't sold separately, and I have change a number of engines because of noisy color wheels. So Pass on RCA but keep DLP. One more big selling point for DLD, in 15 years you can put a new lamp in it and the picture will be as bright and clear as the day you took it out of the box (as long as the optics clean). Now LCD flat panel is the bomb. They have no high intensity lamps to fail or bake the electronic into submission. But again they have back lights that fail (Flourescent tubes don't last forever) and the ballasts work pretty hard. If I was in that market I would find out if the tubes and ballast are available separately or do you have to purchase a new LCD panel when either of them fail. You might want to check out LCOS also. This technology uses reflective properties so the panels last much longer than LCD, and the picture is crisper in my eyes. But any way you go get an extended warrenty and make sure you live in the area of the servicer."

[HelloMoto]

Just ordered a Sony KD :D

Does anyone know if you can use a lightgun on the TV for example on a game like Time Crisis etc?

[PRODIGY8]

Originally Posted by pjclark1

From a US forum ........

"I work on both DLP and LCD, and as far as DLP almost over, I totally disagree when you are talking about projection. LCD flat panel is a great investment, but you are going to have to wait for 50". The problem is heat and the intense light. I have had to tell over 20 customers with rear projection LCDs that the blue LCD panel is damaged and the only way I can get that part is to buy a whole new light engine, and the parts start over $900 and there is the labor to think about. The poor customers with no extended warrenty are forced to live with the discoloration, or pay me a bunch. While on the other hand, I have never witnessed one DLP multi-mirrored chip fail. I heard one of my instructor say that they heard one of the first generation IC (4X3) have one mirror stick and the failure was attributed to cigarette smoke. But TIs new chips have a protective cover over the mirrors so this will not happen again. Sure The heat from the lamp still takes out other things, such as color wheels, DMD boards, The lamp itself, and the thermal fuses, but LCD has similar board and fuses prone to the failure. Although I perfer DLP there is one thing to keep in mind when buying a RCA, the color wheel isn't sold separately, and I have change a number of engines because of noisy color wheels. So Pass on RCA but keep DLP. One more big selling point for DLD, in 15 years you can put a new lamp in it and the picture will be as bright and clear as the day you took it out of the box (as long as the optics clean). Now LCD flat panel is the bomb. They have no high intensity lamps to fail or bake the electronic into submission. But again they have back lights that fail (Flourescent tubes don't last forever) and the ballasts work pretty hard. If I was in that market I would find out if the tubes and ballast are available separately or do you have to purchase a new LCD panel when either of them fail. You might want to check out LCOS also. This technology uses reflective properties so the panels last much longer than LCD, and the picture is crisper in my eyes. But any way you go get an extended warrenty and make sure you live in the area of the servicer."

Hi

Don't suppose it mentioned what lcd rear pro set had the problem?? Or is it all of them?

[LV426]

Originally Posted by pjclark1

...I have had to tell over 20 customers with rear projection LCDs that the blue LCD panel is damaged...

It may be true of the set(s) he's encountered. My first "big" TV was a Sony 3LCD 37 inch RP set. It's now something like 10 years old, and is still in daily use by my Brother-In-Law. It has not got any LCD panel damage - at least, none that causes any visible effect.

[PRODIGY8]

Originally Posted by LV426

It may be true of the set(s) he's encountered. My first "big" TV was a Sony 3LCD 37 inch RP set. It's now something like 10 years old, and is still in daily use by my Brother-In-Law. It has not got any LCD panel damage - at least, none that causes any visible effect.

how many bulbs have you gone through with this set???