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Radiohead
25-07-2006, 8:15 AM
A wi-fi music device developed for audiophiles will offer better audio output than CD players, says its maker.

Transporter is being billed as the world's first network music player for lovers of pure sound.

The $1,999 (£1,079) player is aimed at people who encode music using so-called lossless formats, such as Flac or Wav.

Many people who rip their CDs onto a computer use formats such as MP3, AAC or WMA - all of which compress the audio, losing quality in the process.

Digital music files stored on a computer can be streamed over a wi-fi network to Transporter, which plugs into an amplifer and speakers.

Patrick Consson, from US manufacturer Slim Devices, said: "Audiophiles are investing a lot of money to rip their files at more than simple 128kbps MP3."

Compromise

He said many people did not realise what a compromise they were making when ripping CDs into formats such as MP3.
The digital audio market is an evolutionary process
Patrick Consson, Slim Devices


"People have not been trained. MP3s are stuff you listen to at the gym.

"Audiophiles do not see digital music as throwaway music - which is what digital music has become to some people."

The strength of the Transporter lies in its digital to audio converter (DAC), the chip which converts digital information into the analogue sound that emerges from an amplifier and speakers.

Mr Consson said Transporter was using a "miracle DAC" typically found in devices costing up to $10,000.
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Slim Devices said Transporter's DAC is of a higher quality than those used even in expensive CD players, resulting in better audio performance.

"We want people to take advantage of good file formats," he said.

Flac and Wav are the favoured formats of many digital audiophiles because they retain all the information on a CD when converted to digital form.

'Healthy chunk'

"The digital audio market is an evolutionary process. A good healthy chunk of our business is with audiophiles," said Mr Consson.

Transporter is aimed at the high-end of the market


Slim Devices' core product line is the Squeezebox, a $299 network wi-fi music player aimed at a developing mass market.

"We have had one product for all seasons. We needed to better match our customers' needs.

"Wireless music is not quite mass market. It has not taken off yet but the audiophile market has."

Slim Devices estimates that 20% of its near 50,000 customers are audiophiles.

"Transporter sounds better than most CD players. This surpasses even the most exotic CD player," he said.

Ultimately, the quality of the sound the customer eventually hears will be determined by the amplifier and speakers being used.

Mr Consson said: "Lessons we have learned with this product will trickle down to our mainstream products.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5212396.stm
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fancyabrew
25-07-2006, 9:39 AM
I wondered when proper HiFi manufactures would get in on the act, can’t be long before the likes of Arcam start to produce kit

PJTX100
25-07-2006, 10:01 AM
This sounds an interesting device, a device aimed at the home.

In the home you have access to your lossless CDs anyway.

And few online vendors AFAIK offer lossless downloads.

So the advantages of such a device are less than, say, the ability to carry hundreds of albums with you on an MP3 player.

I think the commentary underplays peoples' awareness of the compromises they make when converting to lossy.

IMHO the big leap will come with terabytes of storage available in a portable DAP.

Singh400
25-07-2006, 3:42 PM
Think this is the right area...

http://www.slimdevices.com/images/transporter/transporter-home.jpg

A wi-fi music device developed for audiophiles will offer better audio output than CD players, says its maker.

Transporter is being billed as the world's first network music player for lovers of pure sound.

The $1,999 (£1,079) player is aimed at people who encode music using so-called lossless formats, such as Flac or Wav.

Many people who rip their CDs onto a computer use formats such as MP3, AAC or WMA - all of which compress the audio, losing quality in the process.

Digital music files stored on a computer can be streamed over a wi-fi network to Transporter, which plugs into an amplifer and speakers.

Patrick Cosson, from US manufacturer Slim Devices, said: "Audiophiles are investing a lot of money to rip their files at more than simple 128kbps MP3."

Source: BBC News | Technology (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5212396.stm)
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:clap: Looks awesome to me! :smashin:

JohnG
25-07-2006, 4:32 PM
Threads merged :)

Singh400
25-07-2006, 5:01 PM
Whoops, sorry didn't see the other thread.

JohnG
25-07-2006, 6:00 PM
No problem. the more information we can get on this kind of device the better :) I'd be interested to know how much better it's supposed to sound than their standard device.

jimmy_b
26-07-2006, 9:22 AM
Hi

This certainly looks interesting....
Does anyone know anything about the quality of the "miracle dac" they are using and the other claims they making about the device's audiophile nature?

http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_transporter.html

Thanks
Jimmy

KeithO
26-07-2006, 9:41 AM
Well, it's not going to 'offer better audio output than CD players' if the albums are ripped from a CD player is it? At best, it'll be the same as the CD player. Maybe if all your music is downloaded, but that assumes lossless downloads are easily available....maybe they will be eventually, but I don't think they are right now.

I agree with PJTX100...I rip my music so that I can carry 500+ albums with me, not so I can get better quality. I think the same is true for most people, and I think mainly they are aware of the compromises.

The advantage of DAPs for me is to be able to listen to music on the train or plane...hardly the best listening environments anyway.

JohnG
26-07-2006, 9:46 AM
But there are a few of us who have our music ripped in one format for our portable players and then another lot ripped at higher bitrates or lossless for streaming around the house.

jimmy_b
26-07-2006, 9:50 AM
Well, it's not going to 'offer better audio output than CD players' if the albums are ripped from a CD player is it? At best, it'll be the same as the CD player. Maybe if all your music is downloaded, but that assumes lossless downloads are easily available....maybe they will be eventually, but I don't think they are right now.

I agree with PJTX100...I rip my music so that I can carry 500+ albums with me, not so I can get better quality. I think the same is true for most people, and I think mainly they are aware of the compromises.

The advantage of DAPs for me is to be able to listen to music on the train or plane...hardly the best listening environments anyway.
Sorry, I think you are missing the point! Firstly, when it says it offer better audio output than CD players I don't think they mean all cd players. But just the same as one CD player can be better than another, so the quality of the DAC on this thing can be better than many mainstream cd players. That's their point.
Secondly, obviously this isn't trying to compete with portable digital music for which I think most of us agree MP3 is fine. But some of us (like me) want audiophile quality music from a digital datastore so that we don't have to keep changing cd and so we can make playlists etc etc.
Jimmy

AMc
28-07-2006, 1:29 PM
Well, it's not going to 'offer better audio output than CD players' if the albums are ripped from a CD player is it?

Theoretically if you play back a CD live then there may be errors in the data stream - as you are effectively doing a 1x rip with whatever oversampling etc. modern CD players do. If you rip to a lossless format or even make a direct digital copy on hard disk - then you have to opportunity to correct more losses and start from a more accurate master.

Just supposing really.

Of course the advantage over the original CD is instant(ish) access to all music from any locations or simultaneous playback in multiple rooms (though I expect that breaks some audiophile rules :) )

My 2p they created a very expensive squeezebox because they recognised there was a "chunk" of the market who would pay over a grand $ in pursuit of the ultimate High Fidelity player - and no one else had done that yet.

DeadKenny
29-07-2006, 2:10 PM
Reading in their forums their CEO (I think) was talking about how he couldn't really tell the difference between various high end DACs and sort of implied that the SB3 is sufficient even for high-end quality, but the Transporter is aimed at the market who can really tell the difference (or think they can? ;)) and want even better.

For me it's a little bit expensive and the Burr Brown DAC in the SB3 is probably sufficient given my cheap AV amp (Yamaha DSPAX757SE). Not sure if the Burr Brown is better than the Yamaha's DAC though.

PeteD64
29-07-2006, 2:37 PM
Well, it's not going to 'offer better audio output than CD players' if the albums are ripped from a CD player is it? At best, it'll be the same as the CD player.
Why can't it play back better than the device it was ripped from?

The quality of the CD player you rip the CD on isn't that important because the ripping process is purely about copying off the digital data from the CD & doesn't touch the important DAC & analogue output stages. It's also not a real time process like playing a CD. On my PC I can normally rip and losslessly compress a CD in under 3 mins but on some CDs it takes longer as if it's retrying on errors which is something it wouldn't normally do when playing the CD.