HD-DVD is the winner

[Packetfront]

Why? look!

For Boooooooo-Ray it doesn't look promising.......

http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm

[mhjo]

Winning the first battle does not mean winning the war....

My applause goes to the manufacterer of "dual system player"....

[Nic Rhodes]

Originally Posted by mhjo

My applause goes to the manufacterer of "dual system player"....

For me that is the worst case senario, we need a winner, not too more lame formats like SACD and DVD A. The universal players that have been foistered on use for these formats have generally been very poor.

[BadAss]

Originally Posted by Packetfront

Why? look!

For Boooooooo-Ray it doesn't look promising.......

http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm

Lets wait untill November when PS3 is out, then we will see HD-DVD shrink into oblivion.

Lets see now, 3,000,000 pre orders. It will only take 0.5% of PS3 users to use their PS3 as a BD player to match HD-DVD figures.

I think the mods should make this thread a sticky.

[paulfoley]

Originally Posted by BadAss

Lets wait untill November when PS3 is out, then we will see HD-DVD shrink into oblivion.

Lets see now, 3,000,000 pre orders. It will only take 0.5% of PS3 users to use their PS3 as a BD player to match HD-DVD figures.

I think they thould make this thread a sticky.

I think the Movie Studios will decide the winner before thats even released. Also dont forget that 360 owners can also opt into HD-DVD for £80-120 just before xmas too?

[degsmurr]

PS3............surely thats a game machine not BR player, insomuch that a XBox 360 is A HD DVD player!

Degs

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[BadAss]

Originally Posted by paulfoley

I think the Movie Studios will decide the winner before thats even released. Also dont forget that 360 owners can also opt into HD-DVD for £80-120 just before xmas too?

No, sales decide the winner. The two major players, Pioneer and Sony dont even have their machines out for a fews months yet. I think this thread is created to bait people.

[BadAss]

Originally Posted by degsmurr

PS3............surely thats a game machine not BR player, insomuch that a XBox 360 is A HD DVD player!

Degs

http://www.avforums.com/forums/images/smilies/nono.gif
:nono

If it plays BDs its a BD player.

[Duncan Harvey]

Originally Posted by Nic Rhodes

For me that is the worst case senario, we need a winner, not too more lame formats like SACD and DVD A. The universal players that have been foistered on use for these formats have generally been very poor.

First of al neither SACD nor DVDA could be described as lame...

Secondly why do you say the universal players have generally been very poor?

[Avi]

Originally Posted by BadAss

No, sales decide the winner. The two major players, Pioneer and Sony dont even have their machines out for a fews months yet. I think this thread is created to bait people.

To be honest outside AV enthusiasts I can't see a mad rush for players costing $999-$1800 especially with current PQ not delivering. Also we don't know how well PS3 will work and it can only get worse unless they start delivering quality software for the stuff that's already out.

I'm begining to think it should be rebranded Manana-Ray at this rate

AVI

[BadAss]

The information isn't even correct, if you look on http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...932755-7570334 their are 26 BD titles listed.

EDIT: Heres a link people may find interesting. http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

"Those of you who are interested in how Blu-ray displays VC1 material will be pleased to know that it looks absolutely spectacular. Unfortunately, I can't talk about the specific clips we saw, but it wouldn't be fair to compare Blu-ray's VC1 quality to that of HD-DVD at this point anyway, especially not from a single short clip. I will tell you, however, that one specific piece of test footage we looked at (in MPEG-2) was hands-down the single most stunning high-def video I've ever seen. I've seen a lot of HD video in my day, but NOTHING this good in terms of detail, color, contrast and lack of compression artifacting."

It seems MPEG-2 isn't so bad after all.

[Nic Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Duncan Harvey

First of al neither SACD nor DVDA could be described as lame...

Secondly why do you say the universal players have generally been very poor?

1. I describe them as Lame as the software choice is small and expensive and the majority of the players are poor quality (mostly the universal ones). The market isn't interested, sales have plumetted, and most people are now walking away from them. Take up has been low, even by the audiophiles who they were targetted at. Even Sony is bailing out on SACD.

2. Because they are, at least in my experience. I have 6 players here capable of playing SACDs and at least 8 capable of DVD A. All players cover a broad cross section of the market. I have also owned others and let them go.....

The Amazon figures for HD DVD are also wrong

[Packetfront]

Originally Posted by BadAss

The information isn't even correct, if you look on http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...932755-7570334 their are 26 BD titles listed.

EDIT: Heres a link people may find interesting. http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

"Those of you who are interested in how Blu-ray displays VC1 material will be pleased to know that it looks absolutely spectacular. Unfortunately, I can't talk about the specific clips we saw, but it wouldn't be fair to compare Blu-ray's VC1 quality to that of HD-DVD at this point anyway, especially not from a single short clip. I will tell you, however, that one specific piece of test footage we looked at (in MPEG-2) was hands-down the single most stunning high-def video I've ever seen. I've seen a lot of HD video in my day, but NOTHING this good in terms of detail, color, contrast and lack of compression artifacting."

It seems MPEG-2 isn't so bad after all.

The guy running TheDigitalBits is a BD fanboy as we all know, he will even praise Samsung.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by BadAss

"Those of you who are interested in how Blu-ray displays VC1 material will be pleased to know that it looks absolutely spectacular. Unfortunately, I can't talk about the specific clips we saw, but it wouldn't be fair to compare Blu-ray's VC1 quality to that of HD-DVD at this point anyway, especially not from a single short clip. I will tell you, however, that one specific piece of test footage we looked at (in MPEG-2) was hands-down the single most stunning high-def video I've ever seen. I've seen a lot of HD video in my day, but NOTHING this good in terms of detail, color, contrast and lack of compression artifacting."

It seems MPEG-2 isn't so bad after all.

Did they use titles that you can buy today ? I find the comment below ironic given the quality of current DB title release.

"For the record, and for those who may be interested, I've been told that one of the chief advantages of using MPEG-2 over VC1, at least in the near term, is that it's easier to encode quickly in high quality."

Interesting - not much difference between 1080i on component to 1080p HDMI on a 1080p panel-

"To test something that I suspected might be the case based on my experiences with the Samsung player, we next connected the BD-P1000 to the display via the component output, and selected 1080i resolution. As I suspected, and to Chris' surprise, all of the problems with the video signal just disappeared. Suddenly, the video being displayed by the Samsung was MUCH closer in quality to the 1080p HDMI output of the Pioneer"

Sorry Badass this is just another "look how good BD can be" - tomorrow. If they deliver it rather than talk about it we can judge for ourselves.

AVI

[Packetfront]

Originally Posted by Avi

Sorry Badass this is just another "look how good BD can be" tomorrow. If they deliver it rather than talk about it we can judge for ourselves.

AVI

True.

It's like Toshiba would say, we support 100GB dual layer discs, but hey, we can't deliver that now to the market, maybe soon....

Lies, lies....that's all Sony has to come with to get some attention.