AVR-2106 Master Volume Display - How do I

I've got several devices going through my 2106 with the video displayed on my TV. When I increase the volume on some devices a "Master Volume" message appears over (on the bottom) my video from the 2106 telling me where I am setting the dBs. Not all of my video devices do this and I realllllly would like them all to.

HOW DO I DO THIS?

[Jase]

You'll probably find it will only overlay the OSD on Composite or S-Video sources but not Component. Is this the case?

Not sure. It works on my TIVO source shich is basic cable in, TIVO signal out. It works on my VCR. Not on my digital cable box or DVD player. All feed into the AVR with a single output. Sorry, does that help?

[Jase]

Pretty sure it's because they're a Component feed. It's the same on my Denon. The only OSD I get via Component is the main setup menu. The volume etc is only overlaid on S-Video or Composite sources.

[Colgate7110]

Hi Jase,

Is it not that the Denon amps will show the OSD on any input assuming it's an interlaced signal but not for a progressive signal? That's certainly how it works on the 3805 so I'm guessing it might be the same on the 2106. If that's the case then it would always work for all inputs except component since they're interlaced but work for component inputs sometimes depending on what scan type the signal used. Does that make sense?

When you go into the main setup menu and that works via component, it cuts out the progressive input and just outputs its own interlaced signal.

Cheers,

Colin

[Jase]

Hi Colin

It might well be different across models. Makes sense what you're saying though. I'll have to re-check on mine. I route S-Video into the Amp from Sky+ which it then converts to Component, de-interlaces and then scales for output to my display. The volume OSD will flash up on any of the following resolutions 480i/576i, 480p/576p, 720p, 1080i. It wouldn't do that when I fed it an interlaced Component signal from my old DVD player.

I'll have to play around a bit more when I have some free time...

Thanks for the thoughts guys but I'm a little lost. Can you bring it down 1 or 2 levels as to what you think I might be able to do?

By the way, been to Glasgow and loved it!

[Jase]

Originally Posted by etronfreak

Thanks for the thoughts guys but I'm a little lost. Can you bring it down 1 or 2 levels as to what you think I might be able to do?

Not sure if there's much you can do to be honest as I'm pretty sure it's not a feature that the Amp has. As you're based in the USA your 2106 has the ability to upconvert Composite and S-Video to Component (which is something the UK/Euro version can't do).

You could try changing the Component Video output of your DVD from Interlaced to Progressive or vice versa and see if it does it then. I have a feeling it won't although I'm happy to be proved wrong!

[Colgate7110]

Originally Posted by etronfreak

Thanks for the thoughts guys but I'm a little lost. Can you bring it down 1 or 2 levels as to what you think I might be able to do?

By the way, been to Glasgow and loved it!

No problem mate, I'm not sure how much you know so I'll start at the beginning

There's basically two types of signal you can feed into a screen - interlaced or progressive. Interlaced means the picture is built up drawing all the even-numbered lines then going back to the top of the screen and drawing all the odd-numbered lines. Since interlacing is most applicable to CRT screens with 576 lines, that means starting in the top left corner of the screen you draw 288 lines then go back to the top left and fill in the other 288 lines. A progressive signal means that you draw each line in turn rather than having to go back to the top again so it's generally a smoother image.

You'll probably find that your DVD player is outputting a progressive signal whereas your cable box will be an interlaced signal (just guessing here!) as will a VCR, camcorder, laserdisc player. Games consoles are a mixed bag though with some supporting progressive scan and others not.

If you have any of the kit in the interlaced list above, I would guess they show the volume control on screen. If it's your DVD player or Xbox/Xbox 360 for example though that doesn't show it then it's likely because it's progressive scan.

If you try switching the output from your DVD to interlaced rather than progressive, the OSD should appear but at the risk of a poorer picture so you'd probably only want to do that to test the OSD worked and not actually use it for general viewing.

(That's simplifying it but but hopefully it helps )

In terms of a more permanent solution, I think it's simply a case that the amp doesn't support overlays on progressive scan signals. Jase's Denon amp can draw the OSD onto progressive signals but he has a Denon AVC-A1XV which is worth more than my car these days

Hope that's a bit clearer

As for Glasgow, you'll hear no complaints from me, except for the weather. It rains for most of the year which is just depressing and when it's hot, it's really hot which is just annoying - you can't win

EDIT: Just noticed that Jase has replied too ages ago while I was still tapping away! It's looking more and more like it's just a case that a progressive OSD isn't going to work out