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RayP
27-05-2006, 2:21 PM
Hi all,

I'm in a dilemma over how best to accommodate a 42" plasma screen in my somewhat modest room. I currently have a 32" widescreen TV sitting on a 3-shelf AV rack also containing a centre speaker, Sky+ and a VCR although that will be going soon.

The attached pictures show the room layout. The first picture shows the whole bay area. The second picture shows the view from my seating position which is about 10ft from the screen. I don't like the window being blocked by the TV but at the time I needed a decent support for the centre speaker and the stand was the only option.

I'm planning to replace the B&W CM4/CMC speakers with either the MT-30 range or the Tannoy Arena's to create some space (speakers need to sound good musically). I also want to replace the 3 shelf AV stand with a 2 shelf one. This will lower the position of the plasma by about 10 inches which will make a big difference. The bottom shelf of the AV stand will only hold the Sky+ box as my Optimum hi-fi stand offers better support for my DV79 DVD player which also doubles up as a CD player.

So far so good you might think but I have a problem with the centre speaker placement. The thin bezel of the PHD8 means the centre speaker will block the bottom of the screen. I don't think the M-1 will sound very good sitting on that bottom shelf and the other possibility of it being stand-mounted behind the screen is also out as it's not tall enough.

Couple that problem with the fact that the screen is placed in front of a window with a patio window at the opposite end of the room means light is a major issue especially during April - August. These are two issues which have caused me to consider the alternative of mounting the screen in the only other feasible place... on the chimney breast. See third picture.

It's wide enough to accept a 42" but I really didn't want to get into messing up the decorating by having to chisel channels to accept all the cabling. I won't be keeping that fire / surround but even with a conventional gas fire I'm concerned about heat and the height of the screen from the viewing position. It's just 8ft which is pushing it a bit for a 42" screen. I would also be looking up at a greater angle because of that reduced distance. I could place it lower down by foregoing on a gas fire and having a radiator in the window bay but that's just adding to the bill. It would however mean the whole bay area being free of a stand and screen so would really open up the room.

Both positions have their drawbacks and advantages and if I could resolve the centre speaker problem the bay position would probably win. I've searched around for a height-adjustable plasma stand that could accommodate a small centre speaker but they're all too tall. This is the best stand I've found but there's no place for a centre speaker on the same shelf as the plasma www.standanddeliver.com/acatalog/Alphason_AD_Series_AD2-105-S.html Why can't manufacturers offer stands that have a centre speaker support???

So you can see it's a real problem. I'd appreciate hearing your opinions on how best to play things whilst not spending an absolute fortune.

Ray.

geeport
28-05-2006, 7:24 AM
Hi :hiya:
I've been keeping an eye on some of the threads about stands etc. because I think our new 40 JVC LCD is a bit high up for my own viewing level on the stand we have. Some people who have larger TV's use a stand called an OPPLI from Ikea, It's lightish wood finish and it's longer and lower but has a centre section. It won't break the bank at £56. :)
Search the LCD section for a thread called 'Get your LCD's out for the lads' for pictures.
I'm considering this one myself because it seems to be adaptable as far as bolting bits together - someone has fixed two together, one on top of the other, and it still looks as if it was intended to be that way! :smashin:
It's difficult to see where you'd successfully put the centre speaker if you wall mount the panel on the chimney breast.

Joe Fernand
28-05-2006, 10:39 AM
Hello RayP

The height adjustable SMS Table Top stand works well with a 42" PHD8 and gives you up to 190mm between your table top and the underside of the Display - if you Centre Channel is slightly taller you can obviously let it 'protrude' into the Bezel area of your Display without actually getting in the way of your image area.

Best regards

Joe

RayP
28-05-2006, 10:50 AM
Thanks for replying Geeport. I should say that whilst I've posted very infrequently I've been an avid reader of the forums for several months now and have been very impressed with the helpfulness of folk such as yourself. I've seen several pictures of the OPPI and it seems very reasonably priced when you consider what's being asked for steel / glass stands.

Looking at the OPPLI the only place suitable for the centre speaker seems to be in that large central section which places it very close to the floor. I fear that would impact on the sound quality. I tried moving my CMC from the middle to the lower shelf and it made voices sound really chesty and boxed in. Now maybe that wouldn't be so pronounced with a smaller speaker but I don't want to commit to buying anything in case I make a wrong decision and waste a load of money.

Here's a picture I knobbled together of how things could look with a chimney breast installation. It looks feasible providing I can get a very simple gas fire with minimal surround but the cost, disruption and channeling for cables makes it an unattractive option.

What would be nice is a small stand that fitted at the top of the screen to take a centre speaker. Just like how webcams fit on the top of a computer TFT screen.

Another alternative is to buy a plasma with a speaker between the bottom of the screen and stand such as the Panasonic PX60 but that is not as good as the panel PHD8 but if all else fails I'll consider it.

Anyway, thanks for suggesting the OPPLI. I'll chew it over and keep an eye on the IKEA site in case any other models become available.

RayP
28-05-2006, 10:59 AM
Hi Joe,

That sounds very interesting. My main concern is to keep the PHD8 as low as possible as it's situated in front of the window but keep the centre speaker as high as possible whilst not covering the screen (obviously! ;)

Do you have a link to a site please?

Cheers,
Ray.

RayP
28-05-2006, 1:40 PM
I've thought some more about all this. The top of my current 32" TV is 120cm from the floor. I'd like to reduce that distance when I buy a plasma. The lowest profile unit I can find to sit a screen on is 33cm high. The PHD8 with its own stand is 67.6cm high. That makes a total height of 101.6cm without including a space for a centre speaker. I don't have an exact height for the B&W M-1 centre speaker but it's close to 13cm which bring the absolute minimum height for the top of the screen to 114.6cm. I might even need to buy the SMS stand to achieve that and I've seen a price of over £300 for it which is pushing the price up alarmingly for very little vertical reduction.

So now, regrettably, I'm thinking of dropping the PHD8 in favour of either a PX60 37" or 42" with an integral stand. The top of the 37" is 114cm and the 42" 120cm. So I could end up spending hundreds of pounds on a 2 shelf AV stand and the SMS stand to achieve a height gain of precisely 5.4cm or just over 2 inches :eek:

Whilst I would have loved the PHD8 my room circumstances dictate this is probably a non-starter. I know it gets better reviews than the PX60 but I'm sure I would be perfectly happy with the latter and if I buy from JL then I have a 5 year warranty and a integrated unit that provides all the connections I need for no further outlay and a space for the centre speaker.

Having an open discussion about this has helped a lot. I hope others find it useful too.

Cheers,
Ray.

Joe Fernand
28-05-2006, 4:57 PM
Hello RayP

Price wise the SMS Table Top has a UK SRP of £264.35 (Inc delivery).

Height wise keep in mind if you have the Centre Channel too low you'll miss a lot of what its outputting unless you fire it at an upwards angle.

If it were me I'd do without the Centre Channel speaker and use a phantom Centre instead - try it with your current set-up and see how its sounds.

Best regards

Joe

RayP
28-05-2006, 5:49 PM
Hi Joe,

I tried without a centre some time ago thinking as you did but the voices were quite vague position-wise. When I just had two stereo speakers years ago I could live with it as I knew no better.

The price you quote is lower than I found but taking everything into account the amount of height I would gain is not sufficient to justify one.

Thanks,
Ray.

Joe Fernand
28-05-2006, 6:18 PM
Hello RayP

I guess like most things HiFi and AV not having a physical Centre Channel works in some set-ups and maybe not in others.

Best regards

Joe

RayP
28-05-2006, 7:25 PM
Hi Joe,

Indeed! Thanks for your interest though. It's always better to discuss these things with someone than churn them around in your own head.

Cheers,
Ray.