Sony DVP-NS92V wont upscale

[nelliekins]

Hi everyone.

I've mentioned this in the thread dedicated to the NS92V, but its on page 30, and I doubt anyone will ever read it there!

I've got an NS92V, and a Vivanco 5m HDMI-DVI lead. I get a beautiful picture, but there are two problems with it:

1. the image is shifted to the right by about 5% (this is well-documented)
2. no matter what I try, I can't get an upscaled image out of the Sony.

I have tried both my 32" LCD TV and my Infocus SP4805 (using a Lindy M1-DA convertor). Irrespective of what the HDMI output settings are on the Sony, both devices report 576p as the input signal.

Both TV and FP are HDCP-compliant. Both can produce a 720p and 1080i output from a PC quite happily (although the SP4805 is scaling it down internally, of course!).

I've tried upgrading the NS92V to the latest firmware - installation went fine, but no improvement to either problem.

Does anyone have a clue what's going wrong with my system? Unless you guys can help, the player is going to have to go back...

Neil.
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[M4CCA]

what model is your tv nelliekins?

i cant help you with the projector because i dont own one but this would back up what i and others said about component being far superior to HDMI on this machine.

[Wii60 KiD]

Originally Posted by nelliekins

I've tried upgrading the NS92V to the latest firmware - installation went fine, but no improvement to either problem.

Sorry I can't help with the problem, but where did you get the latest firmware upgrade from.

[nelliekins]

M4CCA,

Using component does get around the problem, but the scaler in the TV doesn't appear to do a very good job with PAL material - my NTSC Superbit DVDs are fine, though!

The TV is one of those Powerhouse specials - Hyundai HLT-3270. Its an LG-Philips LCD, with some crummy Hyundai electronics filtering / scaling the picture.


jookey,

I got the firmware upgrade from Sony Europe's website:

http://www.sonydigital-link.com/HAV/...V&f=FW995&l=en

Oh well, back to the shop I go!

Neil.

[nelliekins]

Right, between the dealer, myself and Sony, we've figured out what is wrong...

When using HDMI to output to a DVI device, it appears that the upscaling is actually DISABLED, because

1. the NS92V only supports upscaling on YCrCb output
2. the NS92V only supports RGB output (_not_ YCrCb) for DVI devices

I'd just like to thank Sony for not putting this information into the manual or the sales literature for the NS92V, and the various magazines for not bothering to check the output on DVI devices!

So I've swapped it for a Denon DVD-1920, which _does_ output upscaled video to both of my display devices!

Now all I need to do is make the Denon (ahem) multiregion, and make sure that I don't have the dreaded lip-sync issue that I've seen reported everywhere!

Neil.

[BOOGY]

huh ?


HDMI, is just the same as DVI , but with added audio pins........using a hdmi to dvi lead, is the same as dvi to dvi, in terms of image signal outputted.

clearly a problem with your display, not player....

[kurtz]

Originally Posted by BOOGY

HDMI, is just the same as DVI , but with added audio pins........using a hdmi to dvi lead, is the same as dvi to dvi, in terms of image signal output

Although DVI and HDMI support the same low-level electrical and clocking signals (which is why you can plug them together), HDMI actually supports more video types than DVI.

DVI supports 8 bit RGB 4:4:4 progressive.

HDMI (in addition to its audio) supports 8 bit RGB 4:4:4, 8 bit YCrCb 4:4:4, 10 bit YCrCb 4:2:2 and 12 bit YCrCb 4:2:2. HDMI therefore allows interlaced/progressive component (as well as progressive RGB).

Therefore you can plug a DVI source into an HDMI display because the display will accept RGB - but you can't necessarily plug an HDMI source into a DVI display, unless the only thing you want to send is RGB.

In this case the NS92V will only send its upscaled output in YCrCb - which is a format that DVI cannot accept.

[BOOGY]

thanks for your info.

well, so much for the technical 'expertise' I acquired about dvi / hdmi from 1 or 2 mags, who stated the 2 connectors were identical, apart from audio + copy protection.

well, ROLLOCKS to them, and their misinformed opinions.....

I was young then, didnt know about this forum..........

[kurtz]

Welcome to the world of digital connections. Its a jungle out there.

[M3Lee]

Originally Posted by kurtz

Although DVI and HDMI support the same low-level electrical and clocking signals (which is why you can plug them together), HDMI actually supports more video types than DVI.

DVI supports 8 bit RGB 4:4:4 progressive.

HDMI (in addition to its audio) supports 8 bit RGB 4:4:4, 8 bit YCrCb 4:4:4, 10 bit YCrCb 4:2:2 and 12 bit YCrCb 4:2:2. HDMI therefore allows interlaced/progressive component (as well as progressive RGB).

Therefore you can plug a DVI source into an HDMI display because the display will accept RGB - but you can't necessarily plug an HDMI source into a DVI display, unless the only thing you want to send is RGB.

In this case the NS92V will only send its upscaled output in YCrCb - which is a format that DVI cannot accept.

Hi.

Just regard to the output on HDMI...you can also select RGB on the NS92V which I have tried (to see if the picture got any better / worse) and the set still says 720p/1080i. So is it still upscaling the RGB output?

By the way I could not see much difference in picture quality between the two.

Cheers

Lee

[BOOGY]

Originally Posted by M3Lee

By the way I could not see much difference in picture quality between the two.

could u see ANY difference ?

I couldnt............which seems very odd............what exactly is the upscaler doing ?

[M3Lee]

Originally Posted by BOOGY

could u see ANY difference ?

I couldnt............which seems very odd............what exactly is the upscaler doing ?

Hi BOOGY

I tried it with a Superbit DVD (the fast and the furious) and to be honest could see no real difference!!

It did not effect the picture shift issue either....long shot I know.


Cheers

Lee